There's performance, there's usable vendor specific features, and there are drivers for the most part.
We will just have to disagree on this point.
they're either asking people to switch from Core2 platforms (no reason) or save a few measly bucks and get less performance and upgrade path than they would going i7.
Can you provide an example of them doing this? I don't remember seeing them make any such specific request.
Wouldn't Joe be far better off with any of the CUDA driven transcoding programs than anything AMD has going?
Hmmmm. That's a tough question. To answer that I guess we have to move away from NV marketing and actually list the applications available/useful for consumers. I went to the CUDA site and looked through every single app listed there. I ignored all the listings for doing math and topography and various esoteric calculating processes. While great for colleges and oil companies, I don't think they are really consumer oriented. That leaves the below list:
- PowerDirector 7, video editing, $119.95/$69.95
they also support ATI Stream technology so you can go either way on this one.
- CoreAVC Professional, video encoding, $14.95
While it's listed at NV as using CUDA, their site claims that functionality will be added at some point in the future, free on ATI
- SETI@home, finding aliens, Free
You win this one. you can find aliens faster with an NV card
- Flame Fractals, screensaver, Free
w00t, everyone needs another screensaver
- TMPGEnc 4.0 Xpress, video encoder, $99.95
another video encoder, CUDA must be really good at this but it's still free on ATI
- Flowball, game, free
well, it's listed as a game at NV but going to the owner's website shows it's just a video of a game, fail
- Folding@home, cure diseases, free
clients for ATI have been released before NV clients since day one, better stick to finding aliens
- Badaboom, video transcoding, $29.99 + $7.99 if you ever want to be able to download it from them again even though you've paid for it
Well, I give them credit for charging for bandwidth but this is still free with ATI
- ArcSoft Media Theatre 3, DVD palying software, $89.99
This thing is actually pretty cool if it does as well as their demo video shows. It dramatically improves video quality and does 1080 upscaling
If I've missed some apps please post them. I couldn't really find a "list" of them anywhere so I just looked at them one by one at NV's site. What I understand from the list there are 8 pieces altogether for consumers. One of them doesn't actually exist, one of them does video encoding and video editing, three of them do encoding/transcoding, one is a screen saver, one plays DVDs and one finds aliens. So at most you would want at one time is 5. If you aren't interested in finding aliens that goes down to 4. If you don't make your own video it goes down to three. Of those three one of them performs the same acceleration on ATI hardware so you are realistically looking at using 2 or 3 of them one of which is a screen saver.
Honestly I expected there to be more to this. NV spends a LOT of time talking about CUDA but after having looked into I see it really is as overated, at least in terms of the number of applications, as I've thought it was.
I'm sure AMD would be happy to tell you the Phenoms are the cheaper equivalent of Intel products, and that no one needs CUDA, PhysX, or 3d Vision- but that's what they're PAID to do.
That is ridiculous. If you want to play with 3D glasses you're going to have to go with NV because everyone else, AFAIK, has quit making them. Unless you use the ever elusive hack you will need an NV card to run PhysX. Having said that, I'll pass on doing the list of games that support PhysX because the only multiplayer map I'm aware of is for UT3. Again, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I think CUDA is covered pretty well above.
So you've decided to recommend we go check out AMD trash talk? To what end?
Where did you get that? I explained an incident where I caught an NV guy lying. At no point did I say you should sink to that level or that you should trash talk.
AFAIK NVIDIA's only forum reps are the NFG who have displayed their affiliation for several years. Can't say the same for ATi "High Road" viral marketers.
Really? I would have thought it better form to just ignore this point and move on. http://forum.elitebastards.com/viewtopi ... =7&t=13807
Amazingly enough, the slides from AMD always show their products winning- so I guess we know what we'll hear from these "rebel bloggers"- that AMD always wins and offers the best value! Errrr....wait.....
Isn't that what I said? And NV would do the same thing. The difference is that one can't just go chat with an NV guy in a public forum. Sure, take what they say with a grain of salt, but at least you can.
Like I said, AMD's problem is so very, very few people were buying AM2 motherboards a year ago, and with very good reason. So you're building a system either way if you're 80% of the people, or just upgrading your Intel CPU and calling it a day.
Um, no. If you had already gone with AMD you could be upgrading your CPU. Now this is an AM3 chip that will work in AM2+ and AM3 boards making it backwards compatible. The i7 isn't backwards compatible with anything so if you had a Core2 or previous you are definitely buying a new system. At least if had an AMD system you have a chance for an upgrade path.
Moving forward we have every reason to expect either the AM3+ or AM4 chips will fit in the AM3 boards. So if you already have an AM2+ board you can add the 955 now. Later you can change the board to an AM3, AM3+ or AM4 board (depending on naming scheme) without changing the CPU at the same time. Then you could later add a newer proc and the cycle continues. You can't even use the same RAM between some i7 systems it's so restrictive.
Apparently there is as my i7 965 pretty much tramples all things AMD.
It also tramples your wallet and that's what the hardware portion of this discussion is about. I'm not disagreeing that Intel has the performance crown if money be damned although I'm not sure what they've gotten up to under LN2. But I don't consider that terribly relevant so even if AMD won that battle I wouldn't care.
He seems to be saying we shouldn't trust reviews, or Intel and NVIDIA reps! We should listen to those good guys at AMD who are passionate about hardware, and treat people well!"
You shouldn't trust the AMD reps any more than the others. For that matter you shouldn't trust me either. I'm in the camp of trust but verify.
What I was trying to do with the article is characterize what the act of engaging with social media represents in more personal terms. I'm doing that because I can. I cannot do that with a CUDA campaign because there isn't anyone with whom one can be personal available.
I was at an NV event for system builders in which NV was getting them up to speed with CUDA, PhysX and 3D Stereovision. They spent quite a bit of time and slide real estate talking about how it was new technology. I asked them specifically what the differences were between it and the glasses/technology used by Asus with their deluxe cards back in the TNT/TNT2 days. The answer had more than one part. This is new. It is wireless. It requires a different kind of display. Some stuttering and more than a few ums. It ended with me being escorted out of the room to take my question offline.
So even when you do have the ear of someone at NV you don't just get ignored, you get removed.
It is possible to hit the AMD guys up with tough questions and do so in a non-confrontational way so that they can answer without feeling like they are getting set up. What I'm suggesting is that rather than just float around in forums singing the praises of non-AMD stuff, you should at least think about taking your issues directly to the source.
The fact that you even have the opportunity to do that in a public blog is unique to AMD. At the end of the day I think they have some pretty big balls to do this. There are lots of little Intelites running about talking about how great Intel is and Nvidiots spouting off about the wow of NV. What is to prevent you or them from taking your case to AMD and getting an answer directly from the source?
You don't have to rely only on ads, campaigns or reviews or forum opinions. Roll up your sleeves and show us your internet muscles on the AMD site. You can throw my opinions out the nearest window for all their worth given the fact that you can ask AMD yourself. Where is my path to public discussion with Intel or Nvidia personnel? And I don't mean a forum where they pass by occasionally.