Intel spoiling Bulldozer launch w/ LGA 2011, Sandy Bridge-E

apoppin · Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:32 pm

They are scraping the bottom of the barrel as to even forum credibility to allow such a stupid unsubstantiated thread about Nvidia "cheating". The OP sound like (1) a 13 year old or (2) AND paid viral. He either is indoctrinated so much as to be blindly hateful - or he is a viral employee of the other company himself.

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Originally Posted by Idontcare

How many members do you suppose we have here posting in these forums that receive free AMD kit? I know a few without even putting much effort into tabulating it.

Idontcare made it pretty clear that the AMD equivalent of the old Focus group is very active at ATF Video today - some of their members getting their kits from them. The loudest are probably the biggest hypocrites.

That thread particularly looks like AI bots debating politics

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4972

I'm just wondering when they will change the forum name to "AMDZONE II"

BoFox · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 4:50 am

grstanford wrote:

I don't see how intel launching Sandy Bridge-E is spoiling AMD's BullDozer launch, unless the rumors on Bulldozer pricing are totally and utterly wrong. Sandy Bridge-E and BullDozer fit into two entirely different market segments.

Spoiling BullDozers launch would most likely involve releasing an i7 2700K or 2800K (and intel is rumored to have a 2700K in the works) and lowering prices on 2500K & 2600K.

If Intel goes ahead and launches SB-E in several different flavors (3 speeds, etc.. like 2500, 2500K, 2600K) then yeah it would spoil the Bulldozer launch to a considerable degree. A paper launch from Intel during the release of Bulldozers would still do a lot of "damage", even if we cannot buy the SB-E for 2 months.

If the pattern holds true to history, Intel would release a version of SB-E for roughly $300 that overclocks pretty much as well as the king-of-the-hill chip does. Ouch, AMD.. considering that SB-E would be quite a beast compared to anything else today.

apoppin · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:50 am

grstanford wrote:

I'm just wondering when they will change the forum name to "AMDZONE II"

More details from Idontcare about AMD's viral marketing to the forums:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread. ... 721&page=6

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My post wasn't meant to be a tease, if I was "free" to name them then I would have done so at the outset. I am not free to name them, even if they gave me their approval of me releasing confidential info I would not do it because I no more want to see them publicly crucified and vilified than I wish to see Keysplayr vilified.

(its the same with employees of companies that intentionally seek to remain unaffiliated, I know some of them privately and I would not "out" them even if they gave me their OK to do so...but yes there are AMD employees in our midst here, and they hide for good reason because there are some truly ugly hateful members in our community, on both sides of the fence)

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If you truly believe that AMD does not give anyone free gear then I don't know what to tell you.

Consider for the moment the fact that the ONLY reason you are aware of Keysplayr being a member of the NV Focus Group is because it is a requirement of the NV Focus Group that he "out" himself. It is not a requirement of the AnandTech Forums (ATF).

As such we (ATF) also do not have a policy regarding members of parallel organizations on the AMD side of the fence to "out" themselves, that is between them and the policies of their organization just as is the case with the NV focus group.

It's the first time that i have seen anyone besides me address this. AMD does not ask their employees, shills and PR marketeers to identify themselves on the tech forums as Nvidia does. That kind of anonymity leads to abuse because these hidden shills then go after Nvidia and their transparent Focus Group with slander to discredit them for the very things that they themselves do.

Nvidia's marketing and PR has grown up and matured. Of course, to be fair, they were caught with AEG and i helped uncover the facts personally and exposed their hidden marketing to tech forums. However, i have to give them a LOT of credit for *changing* the way they do things; making their marketing much more transparent. imo AMD still has a ways to go in this regard and i expect they will do the right thing as their marketing and PR matures further.

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4972

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AMD still has a ways to go in this regard and i expect they will do the right thing as their marketing and PR matures further.

Hmmm..... 8, nearly 9 years now since R300 and nv3x launched and ATi's PR team (now AMD's) have shown no sign whatsoever of maturing, in fact, if anything they have regressed to rebellious, idiotic 14 year old brats.

I didn't need anyone to tell me they were hiding anonymously in forums. I gave them hell while I was a member there though.

apoppin · Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:01 pm

There was a certain change in marketing and PR at Nvidia that didn't happen *that* long ago; and ABT had their own issues with a particular marketeer that was called a "leftover" from their past by one of their top officials.

i give Nvidia very high marks for "most improved" in this regard. Each company matures at their own rate and marketing and PR takes a lot of finesse and by investing in and by using the very best people for these jobs. Not long ago, PR was an entry-level job to get promoted away from.

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4972

I know, however I certainly would not characterize nvidia's PR as a whole by the person who left or the Marketeer. On the whole, nvidia has been a very professional outfit since the days of the original GeForce. The marketeer was a 3dfx fan before he was a nvidia fan, and he is permanently stuck in that pre-GeForce era.

apoppin · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:18 am

i know a lot about the details of what happened - far more than you do. Nvidia and AMD are both very professional. However, when viral marketing was first embraced, both companies appeared to take a negative detour and it had real consequences for the tech site forums. Again, from what i have seen - and i was one of the main forum people who actually outed it - Nvidia is "most improved" and they are developing their ecosystem in an extremely transparent and professional manner. You don't have to start out bad to be most improved or more professional. You can be a "B" and aim for that A+

Even their attitude has changed somewhat and i believe it is for the better; one that will earn them friends who will at the very least listen to what they have to say before jumping to conclusions.
:hello:

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4972

I knew what was going on in the forums back then, i just didn't let the likes of Rollo color my perception of nvidia. I knew that underneath his antics nvidia still had the better hardware, software and roadmap for graphics. I also knew that almost everything ATi or their agents said about nvidia was either flat out fabricated or a gross distortion of the truth. The likes of jdpc were shilling for ATi on forums like 3dnow.net long before Rollo got started on anandtech (back when the K6-2 was a newish chip, unfortunately the old forum has long since gone, replaced by newer ones, so its hard to dredge up his posts).

apoppin · Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:16 pm

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread. ... 721&page=9

Idon'tcare came up with one of the most brilliant replies to an unstable fanboy ... well, ever

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As you have gone to great efforts to communicate above, the topic itself is one for which you are emotionally invested to the point of eliciting emotions of anger on your behalf.

An emotional state which is known to cloud one's ability to think clearly and rationally about the topic itself.

Furthermore, you have endeavored to create something entirely artificial in your post such that you could then vilify "it" as if "it" had anything to do with me, my posts, or the spirit of the message I have communicated in this thread.
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There is nothing I can do to dispel the multiple straw men you have concocted in your post. They are of your doing, not mine, and were crafted by you to serve your own misguided purpose, one born from a state of emotional investment in the topic itself, as you amply demonstrated.

Nothing productive will come from my attempting to engage you in rational discourse with the objective of dispelling your keen desire to see shadows of strawman where none exist. Make the devil of me if you find therapeutic benefit in the exercise, release that anger so the healing can start.

Its simply not healthy, not mentally healthy, for you to be so emotionally invested in something as inane as an online forum to the extent that it elicits emotions of anger from you when you are/were faced with the prospect that there are/were marketeers in the audience. Such a co-dependence with the makeup of a forum community is not healthy.

It's a form of insanity - broken AI. And it will not be understood by the one to whom it is directed

It is sad when a consumer's self image is tied to the products he uses.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/201 ... -image.ars

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