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3-10-11Hawaii's Kilauea volcano erupts with greater fury

The frequently restive Kilauea volcano on the island of Hawaii spewed a plume of lava 160 feet tall on Wednesday, more than twice as high as molten rock shot into the sky when eruptions flared anew on Saturday.

The 2,000-degree Fahrenheit molten lava from Kilauea's summit and the newly ruptured Kamoamoa fissure have destroyed 78 acres of rain forest since Saturday and buried 162 acres of park land.

Kilauea is one of five volcanoes that formed the Big Island, officially known as the island of Hawaii. Periodic eruptions of the volcano have destroyed 213 homes since the volcano emerged from a period of dormancy in 1983.

The latest episode began with the 370-foot collapse of the floor of the Pu'u O'o crater and opening of the 535-yard long Kamoamoa fissure on March 5.


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I bet this was related with the earthquake in Japan. Pressure under the crust is high in that region. As the pressure builds deep it pushes against the harder crust. Volcanoes alleviate pressure well but its confined to a specific point, this can help but is obviously location limited. Pressure is always increasing and local areas can start trying to swell. This swelling can shake the earth if something gives under this pressure. The cracks from earthquakes are a result of the swelling and the hard ground giving. imagine a balloon with plaster or any hard shell around it. if pressure was to increase it would swell and the plaster or shell would give and expose cracks. This is the way it works. Plate tectonics or saying that two plate rubbing and such isnt the story. The plates are more dense crust and they are stronger so when swelling occurs the "plate" is more secure than the "lines" dividing them. These "fault lines" are nothing but less dense space between the plates. Just as in the balloon example when the swelling causes cracks. In the earth cracks are cooled and then becomes less dense rifts or fault lines to which the plates appear divided. See in this way you can understand why the ground cracks even when its not on a fault line as even the more dense plates cannot withstand massive amounts of pressure. The everyday pressure can effect the less dense "fault lines" with much ease, when there is an abundance of pressure even the dense matter "plates" will break and this massive result can easily push the less dense "fault lines" even beneath one another.

This is my view of the world, and it is absolute. I cannot express enough the disappointment once i discovered the way that there is no one really searching for truth when it comes to science. The politics have turned it into a modern religion. In every field you will find things dont add up, but that doesnt matter. What matters is "So as its written therefore its true". Once its written, its nearly impossible to change.

This is when i came to the absolute conclusion and my statement to the world, "The truth is another lie." In this i have settled, smart ppl are nothing more than ppl who can memorize loads of made up words on made up systems, built on more made up systems. Truly intelligent people are in the mad house, insane because they cant exist with a world of complete fantasy. Civilization, and all making, is the result of a huge amounts of imagination from the many who lived before us. Most of us think to be modern is different, its not. Every civilization was built in the same way as ours. Religion has a huge impact on the results and can be seen when looking back at civilizations lost in time. With science as our new religion the impact is huge, and the illusion is we are different. But we are not. We are still boys and girls playing in a giant playground.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:26 pm 
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I bet this was related with the earthquake in Japan. Pressure under the crust is high in that region. As the pressure builds deep it pushes against the harder crust. Volcanoes alleviate pressure well but its confined to a specific point, this can help but is obviously location limited. Pressure is always increasing and local areas can start trying to swell. This swelling can shake the earth if something gives under this pressure. The cracks from earthquakes are a result of the swelling and the hard ground giving. imagine a balloon with plaster or any hard shell around it. if pressure was to increase it would swell and the plaster or shell would give and expose cracks. This is the way it works. Plate tectonics or saying that two plate rubbing and such isnt the story. The plates are more dense crust and they are stronger so when swelling occurs the "plate" is more secure than the "lines" dividing them. These "fault lines" are nothing but less dense space between the plates. Just as in the balloon example when the swelling causes cracks. In the earth cracks are cooled and then becomes less dense rifts or fault lines to which the plates appear divided. See in this way you can understand why the ground cracks even when its not on a fault line as even the more dense plates cannot withstand massive amounts of pressure. The everyday pressure can effect the less dense "fault lines" with much ease, when there is an abundance of pressure even the dense matter "plates" will break and this massive result can easily push the less dense "fault lines" even beneath one another.

This is my view of the world, and it is absolute. I cannot express enough the disappointment once i discovered the way that there is no one really searching for truth when it comes to science. The politics have turned it into a modern religion. In every field you will find things dont add up, but that doesnt matter. What matters is "So as its written therefore its true". Once its written, its nearly impossible to change.

This is when i came to the absolute conclusion and my statement to the world, "The truth is another lie." In this i have settled, smart ppl are nothing more than ppl who can memorize loads of made up words on made up systems, built on more made up systems. Truly intelligent people are in the mad house, insane because they cant exist with a world of complete fantasy. Civilization, and all making, is the result of a huge amounts of imagination from the many who lived before us. Most of us think to be modern is different, its not. Every civilization was built in the same way as ours. Religion has a huge impact on the results and can be seen when looking back at civilizations lost in time. With science as our new religion the impact is huge, and the illusion is we are different. But we are not. We are still boys and girls playing in a giant playground.


Hey, why is your conclusion any more "absolute" than the generic scientist's conclusion? What if the scientist believes that he has enough data to be more absolute than your "imagination"?

I don't mean to launch the offensive right away and try to plow you down. It's just a counter-argument.

If we look at Hawaii and the way the islands were formed and shifted along with the dead volcanoes moving west-northwest towards Japan, we see how the plate tectonics are so self-evident in how they move. The big island of Hawaii is the only one with active volcanoes and will eventually become small again as it shifts away from the volcanic tube that is much more stationary in the Earth than the sliding crust above. Measurements are made every day on the movements. It's how the Himalayas were formed, with Tibet being lifted towards the heavens. Earth is one giant "fluid" ball--how can you expect the plates to not move around? The currents of magma underneath are powerful enough to act as a conveyor belt, at least moving the newly formed crust up into a rift (some of the cracks that you mention) and melting the absorbed crust as it drowns under another plate down a trench for example.

I do agree with you about the swelling and bulging very much. Earth is truly a dynamic ball, so I do not rule either one out.

It is the melting of the polar ice that releases a great deal of pressure off Greenland and Antarctica. The land will pop up by more than a mile. The melted water mass released towards the equatorial latitudes (naturally, as it migrates to the point of the greatest "pull" as Earth spins around, bulging outwards) will further push down on the ocean floor in the tropical areas. This will put great strain on the land masses. The inner land mass (especially the areas immediately adjacent to the faults around the equator) and also the crust of the mid-latitudes will rise up dramatically to the point where the coastal under-water shelves start to appear above the surface again. This is how some of the "river" canyons on the continental shelves were formed--they had to be more than a thousand feet above water in order for such deep erosion to take place. Voila, Atlantis!



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Speaking of Atlantis

3-13-2011Lost city of Atlantis may have been found in southern Spain

Many possible locations have been pinpointed over the years as the home of Atlantis, the lost island of legend first mentioned in Plato’s Timaeus and Critias writings. Now a team led by University of Hartford, Conn. researcher Richard Freund believes that it has found evidence of its existence in the mud flats of southern Spain

While the possible location of Atlantis has been hypothesized numerous time in the past, this particular finding is notable because of the presence of “memorial cities” in Spain that are modeled in the image of the legendary island’s lost city. The belief is that refugees headed inland after a tsunami struck, burying the island and its city in what is now the Donana National Park in Spain’s Andalusia region.

Using electro-imaging equipment designed to locate oil deposits, the research team discovered submerged shapes that point to the former existence of a city in the Spain location. Subsequent explorations yielded a wealth of evidence, including carved artifacts and a evidence of wood dating back to 440 B.C., found in core sample taken from more than 40 feet below the surface. These samples also contained a layer of methane, which Freund believes is yet another vitally important clue.

If the findings turn out to be accurate, this discovery would put to rest years of hypothesizing, not just over the physical location of Atlantis but also the truth of its existence. Many have theorized over the years that Plato’s account was a work of fiction.


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its absolute just as plate tectonics. Just as you or i cannot deny the existence of such plates. Whats missing is absolute reason. What is moving the "plates"? God? Well its pressure that is the force driving them, the balancing of gravity on a world that is constantly on the move. You dont have to have melting caps at all. The earth isnt just a ball of dense matter and an amptosphere thats been here billions of yrs. This is the religious view which goes well with the creation of all matter during the big bang. There is no line between us (earth) and space. It should be easy to understand that the earth is a collection of matter held together by energy that is constantly fed, every second, from a constant flow of matter; star dust,space dust, comets, anything that is near enough to be sucked in will become earth. This flow is feeding the planet and has always been. The planet has never been stationary, it is real, its right here and its moving, evolving, and growing (swelling) just as anything you could imagine is. It is constantly fed with matter and pure energy. We are a product of this and its easy to forget that.


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Hey Dave, thanks for the heads-up on Atlantis! I forgot about Plato mentioning it, so it was more likely to be from around his time.

@ Ocre.. like I said, it's the magma currents. It's not so different than the sun which has moving currents all over, coming from inside out. Why mention God? :scratch:

Please explain more on "absolute reason". It sounds quite metaphysical, but we like metaphysics here on ABT (right??) :grin:

Here in life, we have the physical substance that demonstrates rather rigid physics. Earth as a substance can be rather unforgiving. There is a time when we must delve into the physical, just like when a tree has to grow its roots into the dirt, around every rock obstacle in the ground. It is then that we gain enough understanding of the physical laws that we are able to draw from the analysis and observe the truth in action. It's like bacteria evolving into a more sentient venus-flytrap plant or a jellyfish, finally into a squid that can actually see and observe. It's the mastery of the physical that allows progressive growth/evolution to step up a dimension. Evolving into an intelligent human being who can easily master the use of abstract language is another thing, whoa! (beer2)



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What would the inhabitants of Cyrodiil really know about their world? What would the Imperial scientists be able to deduce about their world by observation and measurement - assuming they were quite intelligent?


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What would the inhabitants of Cyrodiil really know about their world? What would the Imperial scientists be able to deduce about their world by observation and measurement - assuming they were quite intelligent?

For those "AI" inhabitants of Cyrodiil, they probably do not know any more of their world than an automated answer-messaging service knows about our world. This silicon chip that relays the automated messaging system is like a rock that is pre-programmed with rather rigid molecules in solid state. Without the ability to reproduce either asexually or sexually, you could look at it as almost one full dimension lower than the plants that are imbued with "life" as we interpret it. Are the rocks of Earth self-aware? Unless we think that the molecules are self-aware, probably not..

If the A.I. is able to evolve independently on its own like the "Adam" and "Eve" projects, then we might have as well created the "living" AI being in our own image. If this "AI" robot takes over the human race, with us being subservient to its dominion, is it an evolution from the human race to something higher as we are the ones who birthed it? Unfortunately, it might have to be able to reproduce at will in order to truly step up over humans and start its own race. Do the corporations control humans, or do humans control the corporations? The answer leans to the latter rather than the former, as it is the board of directors, the stockholders, and the consumer who do the dictating. The corporations are not so different than an "A.I." that evolves over time with a formula that is mainly geared towards maximizing profit.

What do you think about RNA generating the first proteins? The self-replicating molecules giving rise to life as we know it?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... e-lab.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis
But what sparked the creation of the first RNA?
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Chemist A. Graham Cairns-Smith of the University of Glasgow sees clay as a solution to the mystery of how simple organics made the leap all the way to self-replicating genetic material. In fact, Cairns-Smith sees clay itself as the first genetic substance, what he calls a crystal gene.

Clay minerals, he explains, are crystals formed from the weathering of rocks by water. And clay, like any crystal, grows by itself-- think of crystals of frost expanding on a windowpane. Crystals, in other words, self-replicate. So if self-replication is the key, life did not start with organic molecules. Life started with crystals. That is, it started with clay.

It’s not a new idea--the Bible proposed it long ago, in a slightly different form. But in Cairns-Smith’s hands the notion takes on an evocative modern flavor. With clay, I’m advocating an earlier genetic material that is fundamentally different from DNA and RNA, he says. You needed a previous stage of evolution in which the present means of evolution was itself evolving.

Again, picture a hydrothermal vent, with organic compounds settling on clay crystals lining the fissures. But this clay was no inert surface upon which organic reactions happened to take place--it was living, growing, even assisting those reactions. As the crystals grew, they developed nooks and crannies that were a perfect fit for the organic molecules rising in the swell of water. As snugly as pegs settling into holes in a pegboard, these molecules made themselves at home in this surface. Once there, they reacted with other molecules comfortably ensconced in niches next door. Because the positioning was so precise, similar reactions could occur over and over again. The crystals, then, actually catalyzed the formation of new organic compounds.

In time the organics evolved into RNA, which, with its strong interlocking structure, returned the favor, helping out the growing clay crystals. I don’t think RNA’s genetic function came first, Cairns-Smith says. My guess is that at first it had a structural function. It helped stick the crystals together. Finally, as it became a self-replicating molecule, RNA jettisoned its clay scaffolding. And early life struck out on its own.

This scenario, attractive as it may seem, is--like so many others--too farfetched for Miller. It’s not that I don’t want to entertain new ideas--that’s fine, he says. The question is, does this chemistry work? Actually work in the lab? Either it does or it doesn’t. His point is well taken. Whatever else may be said about Miller’s ideas, his experiments worked. Talk, even informed talk, is cheap. If they’re to have an impact comparable to Miller’s, these champions of crystals and vents and interstellar particles must demonstrate their scenarios.

But how? You can’t try to make early life at existing hot springs--they’re already replete with bacteria and other life-forms, so the environment just can’t be the same as it was on the primordial planet. And re-creating an ancient hydrothermal vent in the lab is a mind-boggling prospect. Still, vent researchers are busily conducting experiments designed to do just that. Elsewhere, Chyba is collaborating with Carl Sagan and others in an attempt to nail down the possible link between extraterrestrial objects and the origin of life. And Cairns-Smith is investigating the chemical relationships between minerals and organic compounds.

(from http://discovermagazine.com/1992/nov/howdidlifestart153 , 18 year ago but the concept is more popular today among the scientists in general)
What's your take on this, Ocre?

This evolution thing has a mysterious and ironical aspect to it that for some reason remains elusive even to the "brightest" scientist out there. What if a bunch of "dumb" molecules got together and formed their own "corporation" (DNA synthesis) with a certain "A.I." objective (gene sequence) that changes over time according to the molecules themselves that are actually intelligent with a mind of their own? It's like as if we look at this corporation as a living entity while regarding the atoms as mindless units, or like God looking at Microsoft Corporation as a being endowed with life that is structured by "stupid, lifeless" human beings.

Am I making any sense here? :think:



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Let's not talk about evolution. Let's talk about direct creation for a bit.

Let's say that Oblivion is remade with really advanced AI that is capable of learning and teaching each other. The NPCs would became 'intelligent' and would be left alone in their own world to do as they wish - with no direction from their creators except what is in the world already; the NPCs would learn by observation. What would they think of their own world? How would they view Cyrodiil and themselves?


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We had an earthquake here in Eastern Canada yesterday as well, which is very rare. It seems as though things are happening below the earth's crust right now.


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