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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: Speed of light 'broken' by scientists  Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:26 am |
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Post subject: Re: Speed of light 'broken' by scientists  Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:37 am |
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Post subject: Re: Speed of light 'broken' by scientists  Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:50 am |
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They might possibly, due to the galactic red shift. Neutrino's would be unaffected, photons affected.
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Post subject: Re: Speed of light 'broken' by scientists  Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:22 pm |
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http://arstechnica.com/science/news/201 ... -cable.arsQuote: Since September, scientists have been scratching their head over results that appear to show neutrinos traveling between Switzerland and Italy faster than light would. As far as anyone could tell, the team behind the results had done everything they could to eliminate errors, and had even released some preliminary data that had strengthened their results. But the results remained difficult to square with everything else we know about how the Universe operates.
But now, ScienceInsider is reporting that there was a good reason the measurements and reality weren't lining up: a loose fiber optic cable was causing one of the atomic clocks used to time the neutrinos' flight to produce spurious results. If the report is confirmed (right now, there's only one source), then it provides a simple explanation for the fascinating-yet-difficult-to-accept results. According to the new report, researchers are preparing to gather new data with the clocks properly hooked into computers, which should definitively indicate whether the loose connection was at fault.
_________________ This is such total Horse-S**t! "At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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Post subject: Re: Speed of light 'broken' by scientists  Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2012 11:35 am |
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http://arstechnica.com/science/news/201 ... ated_rightQuote: New detector weighs in: neutrinos don't exceed light speed By John Timmer | Published about 24 hours ago
We now have yet another indication that neutrinos cannot travel faster than the speed of light after all, provided by a neighbor of the OPERA detector that set off the fuss in the first place. OPERA's detector sits deep underground at Gran Sasso in Italy, where it receives neutrinos from a beam generated at CERN, 730km away on the French-Swiss border. Because the neutrino beam spreads out over the intervening distance, it's possible to run multiple detectors at the same site, all listening in on the same beam. The team running one of Gran Sasso's other detectors (called ICARUS) has now performed time-of-flight measurements on neutrinos and determined that they don't seem to be moving faster than light.
These results are significant because they largely took advantage of precisely the same infrastructure used to generate the OPERA results. ICARUS used the short, widely spaced bunches of neutrinos produced by CERN to help narrow down potential errors in the earlier results (read our discussion of these errors). The ICARUS team also used the same timing and position infrastructure used by OPERA, which gives them uncertainties of only nanoseconds and centimeters, respectively. WIth all that in place, the ICARUS team captured data from the arrival of seven neutrinos.
With just about everything but the detector itself identical between the two tests, the ICARUS team concluded, "The result is compatible with the simultaneous arrival of all events with equal speed, the one of light." (Neutrinos have such a small mass that it's relatively easy to accelerate them to a speed that is only marginally slower than light.)
One difference between the two detectors is the technology used to detect the arrival of neutrinos—OPERA uses a photographic emulsion, while ICARUS uses liquid argon. It's possible that this difference may provide an indication of why the results differed.
_________________ This is such total Horse-S**t! "At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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Post subject: Re: Speed of light 'broken' by scientists  Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:34 am |
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