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apoppin
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Post subject: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:55 pm |
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their headlines is the topic's title [the rest is quoted in part]: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354310,00.aspQuote: AMD released a tangled set of numbers backing up its third-quarter earnings. The bottom line: the chip company reported yet another loss, but claimed that its product segment was barely profitable before charges.
Overall, AMD reported a net loss of $135 million on revenue of $1.396 billion. Revenue increased sequentially from the $1.184 billion AMD reported in the second quarter, but dipped by 22 percent from the same period last year. In the second quarter of 2009, AMD reported a loss of $330 million; in the third quarter of 2008, AMD reported a loss of $134 million.
AMD also initially claimed that its core AMD Product Company, which excludes all costs associated with the GlobalFoundries spinoff, recorded a non-GAAP net income of $2 million. That segment recorded an operating profit of $47 million.
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But in another portion of AMD's statement, marked AMD "Non-GAAP and Reconciliations to Consolidated Statements of Operations," AMD claimed that its Product Company had recorded a non-GAAP net income of $56 million on revenue of $1.396 billion. The GlobalFoundries business and associated restructuring costs resulted in a net loss of $191 million for that segment, resulting in a total non-GAAP net loss of $135 million. . . .
AMD's revenues from its products segments were slightly easier to parse. AMD claimed its CPU business recorded $1.069 billion in revenue, up 17 percent sequentially, but down 23 percent from a year ago. units and selling prices were up sequentially, but AMD sold about as many CPUs compared to a year ago, and at a lower average selling price. But even that came with a footnote: AMD included $191 million in licensing revenue in its 2008 numbers; excluding that, the revenue for the business dipped by just 11 percent. Operating income for the segment was $76 million, versus a loss of $72 million a quarter ago.
The drivers for the segment were improvements in the desktop product mix, including additional sales of the Phenom II and Athlon II, Meyer said. AMD recorded a record quarter in its chipset business, and notebook CPU shipments increased by 28 percent.
By and large, AMD has tried to avoid the netbook market, supplying graphics chips for low-end notebooks that cost a bit more, and offer a bit more profit. AMD does plan to address the thin-and-light notebook more, though, and Meyer promised to add more details in an analyst meeting scheduled for mid-November. But "Congo," AMD's upcoming platform for thin-and-light notebooks, will appear on store shelves "post Oct. 22," Rivet said, or the day that Windows 7 launches. . . .
In servers, AMD's six-core chips represented about a third of its sales. AMD's Fusion chip, which will combine CPU and graphics capabilities, will be produced in the first half of 2010, and show up in products during the second half, Meyer said.
AMD's graphics business also recorded $306 million in revenue, up 22 percent sequentially but down 21 percent from the same period last year. Like microprocessors, AMD's graphics unit sales were up sequentially, but flat compared with 2008. But the company's graphics ASPs were down sequentially and year-over-year, a trend that AMD will undoubtedly hope to overcome with the recent launches of the Radeon 5700 HD and the high-end 5800 family.
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gstanford
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:55 pm |
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Quote: AMD also initially claimed that its core AMD Product Company, which excludes all costs associated with the GlobalFoundries spinoff, recorded a non-GAAP net income of $2 million. That segment recorded an operating profit of $47 million. Unfortunately for AMD non GAAP figures are meaningless to the financial world, only GAAP compliant figures matter. nvidia will be buying the leftovers of AMD sooner rather than later if ATi's PR team is "coaching" the accountants on what to tell the world in addition to their usual product FUD...
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Rollo
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:51 am |
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AMD is very used to reporting losses as "wins".
When they launched the 3870 and 4870, even though they were slower than comparable NVIDIA parts, "We win! Our chips are cheaper to build and perform almost as well!".
When they launched the slower Phenom parts "We win! Our parts are cheaper and the only native quad core! Those inferior Core2 products that are beating us in the benchmarks are bolted together dual cores!"
They're currently saying "We win! the 5870 is the fastest video card available!" even though it's slower than the GTX295 and their own 4870X2. I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that when Fermi launches they will say "We win! The 5870X2 is the fastest video card available! Our strategy is dual GPU!".
Heh- it's not too hard to predict, they're very consistent.
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LeonHyman
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:13 am |
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That might be so Rollo but who ever said that consistency was a bad thing? 
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:31 am |
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Well, the good news is: - - - "we are losing *less* money" .. actually that IS good news; they have stopped the hemorrhaging .. they are still working on new products ... -- just like the US economy, AMD is better off than last year .. but not out of danger  and i believe (the current rumor is that) we will not see a 5870-X2, so named - probably 5890  . . . but if so, i have no idea what they would name the respin replacement for 5870  .. what, 5875?  here is the pic going around - it is nearly a footlong  Ha ha .. a "footlong sandwich" 
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gstanford
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:57 am |
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Who knows if we will see the X2 card or not. Supposedly R800 arrives in 6 to 9 months time (assuming bankruptcy proceedings don't arrive first...), we haven't seen any user runnable tech demo's either have we? They were showing off a new "photorealistic" Ruby model, but frankly she looks a little frumpy to me, so, I found a red head model who I think would be a much better match for ATI... http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/9260/pegbundy1.jpgI even found an action pose (AMD should be quite used this one since they let ATi move in)! http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/7125 ... entv02.jpg
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:00 am |
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i edited too late  here is 5870-X2 or 5890 (supposedly) .. it was expected for October, but the chips are in short supply' My guess is that it is launched the same week as the Fermi GTX100 Ha ha .. a "footlong sandwich"
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Rollo
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:25 am |
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Gstanford, I think that red headed model is an ideal match for the ATi 58XX ad campaign. You should forward this to Dave Baumann, or Kombatant. I would myself but they won't let me on their ATi-centric fansites any more. 
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:32 am |
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Rollo wrote: Gstanford, I think that red headed model is an ideal match for the ATi 58XX ad campaign. You should forward this to Dave Baumann, or Kombatant. I would myself but they won't let me on their ATi-centric fansites any more.  David Baumann censors my post at B3D if they are in any way "pro-Nvidia" - that place is a real loss now and i don't post there anymore What about this i hear: Quote: NVIDIA employees took to some forums recently to answer some questions about some FUD. You can spot us on threads from icrontic.com and hexus.net. i *thought* Nvidia employees did not post on tech forums; that was quite a little battle they had going on with AMD viral/employees - is their policy changing? 
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gstanford
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Post subject: Re: AMD Reports Loss, But Claims Profits Anyway - Fusion (CPU-GPU) to Arrive 2010 (!)  Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:39 am |
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Bah, thats not newsworthy. If you want to talk about nvidia employees posting in forum threads, I've got a much better post from chrisray to show you - http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php? ... ostcount=1I guess with Derek Perez gone from nvidia PR, there is quite the shakeup going on there at the moment and old policies might change.
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