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 Post subject: Re: Seeking Assistance With Building My New Rig
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:42 am 
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I'll try to answer your question simply OP.

If your not overclocking ( and if your not you should load that rifle :)) the 220$ 2500k is only on average 25% faster then the 190$ 1100t x6, if your overclocking (and these chips easily overclock to 4.5) then it is by a mile. Overclocking is easy and now-a days, todays cpu's are made to overclock especially the "K' series.

Like I said for 30$ more the 2500k is clearly the winner and when overclocked will crap on the x6 1100t.


Well, look at his current PC

.. his q6600 is stock :P
(hamster)

If he overclocks it and his video card too, maybe he can afford to wait - he might think that he just got a new PC.
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However, i don't remember that the Q6600 were particularly good overclockers


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:02 pm 
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The q6600 with a high end cooler and a little luck coould hit 3.5/3.6, not too shabby for its time,but even then, they chewed up power and ran a little hot, most people stuck with 3.4.

Looking towards the future, a AM3+ motherboard will run a BD cpu but early next year the FM2 motherboards will be out and they will be a dead end. Again, just some good speculation.

On the other hand Z68 boards have a upgrade path with the 22nm Ivy bridge which should destroy a BD.

I don't see a reason to wait, I'd go with a Z68/2500k system now if I was on a q6600 platform and still have a upgrade path later with the 22nm Ivy bridge. You really can't go wrong, its 2 or 3x faster than his current system.



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:09 pm 
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Well Apoppin the rifle isn't for my post approach its for a possible responder of the said post :D. Also did I read that correctly you have 3 GTX 560s runing?

Thanks for the numbers "happy" & "dro" I kinda work better with statistics, as to the whole over clocking thing I never got into it because 1. My country is pretty most houses only have fans, 2. I could never muster up the money to place appropriate cooling for my systems so I always feared over clocking due to the possibility of my system overheating and burning up and there is the whole factor of overclocking reducing the overall life of the product.

P.S. Thats the system I had Pop I got it sold recently and thus looking to build another rig, I'm currently on my backup machine Dualcore 805 or was it 806 Smithfield or something to that extent with 1gb Dual Channel Memory with my previous 4870 512 MB. I can't multi-task anymore :'( :'(



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 Post subject: Re: Seeking Assistance With Building My New Rig
PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:15 pm 
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happymedium wrote:
The q6600 with a high end cooler and a little luck coould hit 3.5/3.6, not too shabby for its time,but even then, they chewed up power and ran a little hot, most people stuck with 3.4.

Looking towards the future a AM3+ motherboard will run a BD cpu but next year the FM2 motherboards will be out and they will be a dead end.

On the other hand Z68 boards have a upgrade path with the 22nm Ivy bridge which should destroy a BD

I don't see a reason to wait, I'd go with a Z68/2500k system now if I was on a q6600 platform and still have a upgrade path later with the 22nm Ivy bridge.

If you are upgrading *now* for performance, Intel makes sense over Phenom II/AM3+. SB costs are not much higher; and there is a clear upgrade path (most likely).

AM3+ is probably not ideal for Bulldozer and the alternative (to Sandy Bridge) is to (perhaps overclock the OP's current platform and to) wait. It could be awhile for FM2 (i hear before end of this year). Would you like to wait 6 months?
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Well Apoppin the rifle isn't for my post approach its for a possible responder of the said post :D. Also did I read that correctly you have 3 GTX 560s runing?

Thanks for the numbers "happy" & "dro" I kinda work better with statistics, as to the whole over clocking thing I never got into it because 1. My country is pretty most houses only have fans, 2. I could never muster up the money to place appropriate cooling for my systems so I always feared over clocking due to the possibility of my system overheating and burning up and there is the whole factor of overclocking reducing the overall life of the product.

i have two GTX 560 Ti's running in SLI and i am currently playing Crysis 2 in DX11 Ultra.

OC'ing is a great way to get free performance. The KEY is watch your CPU and system temps. Clearly you will not get the overclocks that the people on AC will get. But you could still get a substantial increase without significantly shortening your HW's life.

i agree on Sandy Bridge as being the best value at this time. The alternative is to wait.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:18 pm 
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Well Apoppin the rifle isn't for my post approach its for a possible responder of the said post :D. Also did I read that correctly you have 3 GTX 560s runing?

Thanks for the numbers "happy" & "dro" I kinda work better with statistics, as to the whole over clocking thing I never got into it because 1. My country is pretty most houses only have fans, 2. I could never muster up the money to place appropriate cooling for my systems so I always feared over clocking due to the possibility of my system overheating and burning up and there is the whole factor of overclocking reducing the overall life of the product.


Read that review I linked you, they got 4.4 on A STOCK air cooler with the 2500k. I promise you they will not burn up even in your country.
These are cool running cpu's and are made to overclock, the x6 1100t's use more power/heat and are not cool running when overclocked.



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 4:37 am 
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Which review Happy the one from the http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the- ... -tested/15 ?

happymedium wrote:
Most people are going for a Intel Z68 motherboard with a Intel 2500k cpu. About $400 buys you the fastest overclocking setup money can buy. The extra 55$ for the Intel system buys much more speed.

Intel setup..............400$
motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128500
cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115072
memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820231277


So sandy bridge it is really not in the mood to wait until August or possibly later. So just for clarification the best chipset option is the Z68 correct also what are your views on 64bit OS (might have to start or look if someone already started a thread on this) because I noticed you recommend 4gb of memory?



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:26 am 
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Setek wrote:
Which review Happy the one from the http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the- ... -tested/15 ?

happymedium wrote:
Most people are going for a Intel Z68 motherboard with a Intel 2500k cpu. About $400 buys you the fastest overclocking setup money can buy. The extra 55$ for the Intel system buys much more speed.

Intel setup..............400$
motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813128500
cpu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115072
memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820231277


So sandy bridge it is really not in the mood to wait until August or possibly later. So just for clarification the best chipset option is the Z68 correct also what are your views on 64bit OS (might have to start or look if someone already started a thread on this) because I noticed you recommend 4gb of memory?



Yes, the review I linked they got 4.3 or 4.4 ,(I cant remember) on the stock cooler.
Z68 is currently the best chipset for Sandybridge.
I've been running 4gb of memory with window 7 ultimate for about 2 years now, it runs great. I also run Windows 7 Home premium on my laptop with 4gb of memory without a hitch.



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:29 am 
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So I take it that you are running 32bit? I personally avoided 64bit because I have tried 64bit for XP, Vista & Windows 7 and I have had stability issues with all three of them.



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:36 pm 
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Okay so there are two memory deals I see on Newegg a 12gb @1333 deal and a 8gb @2133 deal is it better to go for the higher mhz on the 8gb deal or the more Gb at lower mhz on the 12gb deal?



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You definitely want 64-bit Vista or Win 7

And go for more memory over higher clocked memory; 8GB is better than 4GB (though it makes very little difference to gaming; it is important for some apps with a 64-bit OS)

Contrary to what David says, CPU speed is far more important than memory speeds.


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