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 Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A
PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:56 pm 
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Who is/are AMD's viral marketers today?



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Well, are you asking about our contact? i can name him as he used his real name. "ir0x0r" was briefly an ABT editor and he came highly credentialed. He organized LAN parties for AMD and used those opportunities to "cultivate" shills. It was a surprise when he was able to get us an interview with AMD's CMO, Nigel Dessau. i did not know at the time what he planned for us. i was pretty naive. But i will be glad to share it with you

Are you also asking to see the AMD Stealth Playbook - circa 2009?
- i can show part of it to you as it was described to me by "ir0x0r" - and AMD's stealth marketing to the tech site forums is following that same pattern today.
:hello:

i need to make lunch, but i will prepare to post that part of our article. In the meantime, let me introduce you to ir0x0r and his philosophy - which AMD has adopted. And notice that Rollo recognized him in a similar capacity as himself, although we did not catch on until later.

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Stop tantalizing me in a titillating way!! :)

Yes, I can't wait to see AMD's Stealth Playbook!



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i need to make lunch, but i will post that part of our article as soon as i am done. In the meantime, let me introduce you to ir0x0r and his philosophy - which AMD has adopted. Notice the name and google it if you don't recognize it. Maybe use "palit" as a keyword

And notice that Rollo recognized him as in a similar capacity as himself, although we did not catch on until later. They cross swords as equals.

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BoFox wrote:
Re: AMD's viral marketer tries to make ABT a flogsite
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Who is/are AMD's viral marketers today?

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Yes, I can't wait to see AMD's Stealth Playbook!


We met Ir0x0r, an owner of a small shop specializing in AMD systems and who also organized LAN parties for ABT. i saw his blog, contacted him and he offered to write for us. Well, as it turned out he was a viral marketer for AMD and he gave us his play book hoping that we would play along.
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/12178/thu ... index.html
And he had great contacts which lead us to wrongly assume that he was legit. He actually got an exclusive ABT interview with Niegel Dessau, the Chief Marketing Officer of AMD at the time showing how far their viral went into the company. And as you can see, Dessau is responsible for "targeting" AMD's viral marketing.
http://blogs.amd.com/corporate/2009/03/ ... deo-views/
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So, web marketers, which would you prefer? Several million whimsical views that abstractly connect to your product brand? Or 500,000 views that hit your bull’s eye audience with a concrete message?

Although viral videos are fun but stealth targeting of tech sites and posters is not. ir0x0r used to post as "AMG_Guy" on ATF forum. He told me that,
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If I could say, “Just talk to this person and here’s their contact info”, things would be much easier and more straightforward. But my friends at various manufacturers would really hate it if I started outing them and their comments to the general public.

And he worked actively with AMD to change their presence in the blogsphere, as he called it:
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I’d like to write something about what AMD is doing in the blogosphere. Some people think it’s just marketing and doesn’t mean anything and some people don’t even know they are doing it. Intel doesn’t play in that realm in any meaningful sense at all like virtually every other manufacturer. What’s important is that AMD has worked themselves into a very dangerous corner. By blogging and allowing feedback they amass a great deal of info on what consumers want. If they fail to then produce on what consumers want their blogging activities will be exposed as a fraud.


Let's see what ir0x0r, David Makin at Palit, used to do according to THG.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lan-pa ... ,5005.html
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San Jose (CA) - Beginning LAN party organizers often struggle with mind-numbing business details, but that's about to change with Palit's launch of what it calls the "ultimate LAN party resource". The Palitlan.com website, which went live this Saturday, aims itself at helping small LAN parties by providing advice, backend credit card processing and even loaner equipment. Organizers can also apply for valuable prizes for their attendees like shirts and graphics cards.
Palit's David Makin tells us the site is specifically designed to help LAN parties with fewer than 100 attendees. Those events will receive marketing materials like stickers, shirts and graphics cards through the site. "Every party, even if you only have 10 people in your garage, gets something," said Makin.
In addition to merchandise, the website will have an event calendar along with a registration system that can take credit cards. Smaller events often cannot get a credit card machine and spend tremendous manpower on registration, but organizers can now offload that task to the website. There will also be a "party builder" flash application that lets LAN parties draw up table, seats and power requirements. Attendees themselves can register with PalitLan and then upload pictures of their gear and sign up for other LAN parties.
It's not going to be just Palit that is giving away merchandise, other hardware makers are invited to participate. Makin tells us he will share banner space and will match up sponsors to LAN parties. "No real LAN party failed because of the lack of prizes," Makin said, but of course some people attend just for a chance to win a shiny new graphics card.
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Companies also want a decent return on their investment - were the prizes actually given out to attendees or taken by event organizers? Did the companies get proper product placement? The PalitLAN site will try to keep LAN organizers honest by requiring them to upload at least 5 to 10 photos of the event and products. . . .


So here is where ir0x0r and AMD worked together to devise their targeted stealth marketing. He is very experienced at organizing these kind of parties and was well-known for organizing many AMD LAN events. The perfect fertile breeding ground for budding shills.

And ir0x0r made sure to ruin ABT's relationship with Intel with his interview with Dessau. When we asked what was happening, he said this:

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I vote . . . for taking the obnoxious road and getting as much exposure as possible. Intel won’t be helping us financially so we may as well get into bed with AMD.

By then we had figured it out and he was shown the door. But not before he gave us his viral playbook

The AMD Viral Playbook according to ir0x0r
According to ir0x0r, the perfect candidate for a shill was a young college student. Someone who already was a big AMD fan and someone who was already active at the tech forums. Someone who was "respected" as an alpha male. He would scout them out especially at LAN events which were his specialty and he would give the deserving guy something; perhaps a mid range video card or a CPU.

After the event, he would exchange emails and after second contact was made, would suggest that he "tell his friends" about the experience. He monitored the new potential recruit's posting very carefully to see if their return on investment (RoI) was paying off. If the new guy was just a blabbermouth and bragged about his new prize, he was dumped. If instead, the new recruit started enthusiastically posting about his new AMD hardware, then the email/PM contacts would continue and there would be (mostly) promises of future hardware.

Entire viral "campaigns" were carried in this stealthy manner. And the example of the current one at the time were exemplified by the postings that showed up at several tech forums all about the same time - "My $100 Quad-Core CPU" was their stealth campaign. Several posters started to post at different tech sites almost simultaneously about their success at unlocking the Phenom 550-X2 (and 720-X3) turning it into a Phenom II QuadCore. They actually cut this campaign short when ABT tossed ir0x0r out.

You can see today that the same poster will post here at ABT; post at ATF under another name as well as at HardOCP and OCN (for example). Yet they are pretty obvious by their system specs, the manner in which they post, and the fact that these guys at a higher level are organized. They communicate by email and PM.

It's a simple playbook. Seed the forum posters with hardware and encourage them to talk about it. They made it a science and now Edelman - already experts in Viral marketing and caught making fake blogs - have teamed up with AMD - and their former employees are now Edelman employees.


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We want to address one potential issue that someone brought up: Page hits.

We don't care. We are not beholden to anyone but our readers.

We don't have mass advertisers to annoy the reader with obtrusive ads. We trade a couple of banners for prizes that we give away to our forum members in contests.

ABT editors are enthusiasts who review hardware because we love what we do. We did not start with anything but "sweat equity" and we carved out respect for ourselves with our unbiased and unique reviews done from the enthusiast's perspective. We earned the respect of several multi-billon dollar companies and other great and well-respected companies in just a few short years to become a media partner with them.

ABT are PC gamers and we care about our community and we decry the stealth marketing that attempts to discredit and silence anyone who does not tow a certain company line or espouse their viewpoint. We will always stand up to bullies and expose their unethical tactics.


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Way to go Mark, enjoying this site.....ATF video really is shite nowadays....


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Thank-you.

Idontcare, the ATF forum administrator already admitted that some of the posters over there at VC&G get free HW from AMD without disclosing it. It is a fact. And these shills are now attempting to discredit ABT instead of considering the mountain of evidence that we have that AMD is committed to stealth marketing and their PR company of choice, Edelman, has already been busted for it.

i see all sorts of unrelated crap posted there, ranging from ABT scrounging for hits to low Alexa rankings. Actually on Alexa, our Webmaster cut the google analytics connections with our control panel sometime last year. And we never noticed because, well, we don't monitor it and we don't care. We don't solicit advertisers. The low ranking was brought to our attention by a vendor and Google analytics was only restored a few weeks ago.

ABT actually had a record traffic month in November.
:hello:

There has been no long delay in exposing this viral link; ABT has consistently denounced stealth marketing for our entire existence - only now are our posts getting any attention because we are much more popular than before. And of course, the shills at ATF are emboldened by AMD's renewed commitment to stealth marketing. They attack all tech sites and reviews that do not paint AMD in a good light and they report lies to their handlers who work for Edelman/AMD.

There are also plenty of AMD employees, friends of AMD employees and their partners, posting on tech forums without ANY disclosure required from their employers. It is not a healthy situation and AMD is killing the community they claim to love.


And does anyone want any more exposure for the AMD shills or are we getting sick of it?
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I always felt the FanATIcs did a great job of getting themselves noticed without help from anyone else, and the anandtech video forum is the laughing stock of the internet.



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