AMD DX 11 Evergreen to be unveiled Aboard USS Hornet

gstanford · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:20 pm

Ideally you'd need one of each system, to help you benchmark better. That, I guess depends on the health of ABT's expenses budget. Me, I'll stick with AMD awhile longer.

Rollo, if you have any influence in nvidia at all, try to get them to rethink their AMD strategy where CPU is concerned. It takes very little effort on their part (nForce 780a is sufficient) to support PhII right up to the top model, and I certainly don't want to see the day where I would be forced into using ATi chipsets on motherboards when building systems (I'm sure there are thousands of other system builders out there like me who depend on nForce for all levels of their builds).

apoppin · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:26 pm

gstanford wrote:

Ideally you'd need one of each system, to help you benchmark better. That, I guess depends on the health of ABT's expenses budget. Me, I'll stick with AMD awhile longer.

Rollo, if you have any influence in nvidia at all, try to get them to rethink their AMD strategy where CPU is concerned. It takes very little effort on their part (nForce 780a is sufficient) to support PhII right up to the top model, and I certainly don't want to see the day where I would be forced into using ATi chipsets on motherboards when building systems (I'm sure there are thousands of other system builders out there like me who depend on nForce for all levels of their builds).

i have to pick just one next week; my budget is for ONE platform
- i also need an X4 :blush:

which one would be more interesting for our readers, in your opinion ?
- i want to set i5/i7 against Penryn and Ph II X4

i am planning to expand my PC gaming suite to include a few more games

i5 or i7 ?
:scratch:

it is an *adventure* for me - either way; and i will be "set" for the next gen of AMD and Nvidia video cards to review
:good:

i am going to test 8x PCIe vs. 16x .. next week .. just to be sure :hello:

- and if i am continuing my "value" theme, i5 might be a better choice for our readers .. there will be hundreds of comparisons of i5 vs. i7 on many tech sites worldwide, shortly; i am not going that route

gstanford · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:51 pm

Well, you are writing a *value* series are you not? (though if a budget conscious user wants to get several years use out of a value system with just a video card and cpu upgrade on the way through i'd strongly suggest p55 is too limited PCI-e wise by the end).

Rollo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:22 pm **Posts:** 743

gstanford wrote:

Ideally you'd need one of each system, to help you benchmark better. That, I guess depends on the health of ABT's expenses budget. Me, I'll stick with AMD awhile longer.

Rollo, if you have any influence in nvidia at all, try to get them to rethink their AMD strategy where CPU is concerned. It takes very little effort on their part (nForce 780a is sufficient) to support PhII right up to the top model, and I certainly don't want to see the day where I would be forced into using ATi chipsets on motherboards when building systems (I'm sure there are thousands of other system builders out there like me who depend on nForce for all levels of their builds).

I'm happy enough to ask them about this and see if there's anything I can tell you.

apoppin · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 2:31 pm

http://www.techpowerup.com/101781/nForc ... ipset.html

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With Intel's implementation of the FSB-replacement QuickPath Interconnect system interface with LGA-1366, a conflict ensued with regards to Intel licensing NVIDIA making chipset. Intel's contention stood that its older licenses did not cover the latest processors that implement integrated memory controllers and QPI. As a result, NVIDIA was forced to license its SLI technology to motherboard manufacturers for products based on Intel X58 chipset, and now Intel P55 chipset for the LGA-1156 series processor, and the future of NVIDIA Intel-series chipsets looked bleak at worst.

Fresh reports suggest that NVIDIA indeed has a chipset product lineup planned for Q1 2010, that supports socket LGA-1156 processors, codenamed MCP99. In addition to this, NVIDIA will also serve up two new LGA-775 chipsets, codenamed MCP85 and MCP89. What's common to all these chipsets is that they embed an integrated graphics processor (IGP). Some of these chipsets feature a 64-bit wide memory channel dedicated to the IGP's memory needs, apart from the 128-bit wide (dual-channel) system memory controller, on the LGA-775 platform. The dedicated memory channel allows the IGP to match entry-level graphics cards in terms of performance, without eating into the system memory. We predict this will be implemented in the same way AMD 780G, 785G and 790GX does, with dedicated memory chips present onboard. 

and with this, it appears they really want the intel market
http://www.techpowerup.com/?102105

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NVIDIA's recent announcement of extending all its multi-GPU technologies to Intel chipsets-based socket LGA-1156 motherboards, even as the company reportedly plans its own chipset, comes in at no better time than this, when rival AMD has a decent lineup of GPUs, processors, and desktop platform technologies, all of which well-oiled. To beat AMD in the game, and propagate its own GPU and multi-GPU technologies, some sort of loose alignment with Intel is inevitable, especially considering ATI CrossFireX has been freely available to motherboard makers for several product generations now.

finally ....

What do you guys think of this?
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphi ... a-future/1
"Does Nvidia Have a Future?"

it is related somewhat also
.. yes, they have a good future imo .. they are smart

apoppin · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:17 pm

gstanford wrote:

Well, you are writing a *value* series are you not? (though if a budget conscious user wants to get several years use out of a value system with just a video card and cpu upgrade on the way through i'd strongly suggest p55 is too limited PCI-e wise by the end).

http://www.dvhardware.net/article33711.html

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PC Games Hardware published photos of the MSI G7P55-DC LGA1160 motherboard earlier today, and now they also have pictures of the G9P55-DC. The site says this is a high-end motherboard for the upcoming Intel Core i5 processors, it has three PCI Express x16 slots and support for dual-channel DDR3 2300MHz memory. The G9P55-DC supports MSI's Gen.2 DrMOS technology and may feature an additional chip for SLI

a cheaper one
http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.php?shownews=24935

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The board uses a 10-phase CPU power circuit with standard solid-state capacitors, compared to the 11-phase circuit with flat-bed ML capacitors on the G9P55-DC. This board surprisingly has more overclocker-friendly features, such as on-board controls for clock-speeds, clear-CMOS, OC-Genie, a DIP switch to control voltages, and voltage-sensing points that make measuring voltages convenient. Apart from the Intel P55 PCH, it uses an NVIDIA nForce 200 bridge chip that broadcasts 16 PCI-Express lanes (from the processor root complex) to 32 lanes on the PCI-E x16 slots

there are option
:hello:

Rollo · **Joined:** Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:22 pm **Posts:** 743

gstanford wrote:

Rollo, if you have any influence in nvidia at all, try to get them to rethink their AMD strategy where CPU is concerned. It takes very little effort on their part (nForce 780a is sufficient) to support PhII right up to the top model, and I certainly don't want to see the day where I would be forced into using ATi chipsets on motherboards when building systems (I'm sure there are thousands of other system builders out there like me who depend on nForce for all levels of their builds).

They said they're supporting Phenom 2 now with with the 780a and 980a boards, and currently have the largest market share of AMD motherboard chipset makers.

I can attest to this- I have a 780a with a Phenom 2 940 on it, working great.

What is your concern Greg?

gstanford · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:29 pm

I'm not sure what p55 motherboard I'd go for yet, probably not an MSI though, have had too much MSI product stuff up in the past to even consider them. They are just a more expensive PC-Chips in my book (in fact their main competitor is ECS (PC-Chips)).

The nForce200 on certain boards I'd actually consider to be pretty irrelevant, since it only expands communication between the slots, not back to the CPU.

I did notice that there are 8 PCI-e lanes in the P55 chipset, but two are used already, and the remainder seem to be used for implimenting the 4x slot. There is some small hope I guess that intel will expand the number of lanes in a future chipset, but that doesn't help today.

This is a situation where I'd actually recommend a Geforce295 (or a 4870 x2) along with a board that has one 16x PCI-e slot and one 4x PCI-e slot. I don't think 3 slots buys you anything useful and the P55 platform and you would be wasting your time and money with multicard SLI/Crossfire.

gstanford · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:41 pm

It will be interesting to see if nvidia really does launch their own i5/i3 chipset, I hope that they do.

I also hope they don't completely neglect the AMD market. It is possible to feed AMD (cpu division) while wringing ATi's miserable neck.

AMD is very well known (at least in Australia) as a good budget brand and a lot of AMD based systems get sold in shops like mine (more than intel systems - their sales come more from business sales, OEM brands). I think a lot of people who currently buy AMD still would if there were no nForce chipsets, and would probably purchase ATi graphics cards also. It would be a pretty substantial chunk of business for nvidia to lose, they need to be smarter and less petty about fighting ATi.

Of course on the other hand, once nvidia gets its cash reserves up a little more they could just outright buy AMD anyhow. The Global Foundries spinoff makes things much easier in that regard. No need to purchase FAB facilities that you didn't want anymore.

gstanford · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:47 pm

Rollo wrote:

gstanford wrote:

Rollo, if you have any influence in nvidia at all, try to get them to rethink their AMD strategy where CPU is concerned. It takes very little effort on their part (nForce 780a is sufficient) to support PhII right up to the top model, and I certainly don't want to see the day where I would be forced into using ATi chipsets on motherboards when building systems (I'm sure there are thousands of other system builders out there like me who depend on nForce for all levels of their builds).

They said they're supporting Phenom 2 now with with the 780a and 980a boards, and currently have the largest market share of AMD motherboard chipset makers.

I can attest to this- I have a 780a with a Phenom 2 940 on it, working great.

What is your concern Greg?

My concern has been (especially with nvidia planning i5/i3 chipsets) that nvidia will abandon AMD altogether, 780a boards are getting harder to find and 980a is pretty much nonexistant in the Australian channel at the moment.

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