New EXCLUSIVE image of HD 5870 - *details* also!! -- Leaked benches added

BFG10K · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:15 pm

Very nice.

BFG10K · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 7:06 am

$399 & $299 respectively: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15617/1/

apoppin · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:30 am

BFG10K wrote:

$399 & $299 respectively: http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15617/1/

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=11135

Amazingly accurate information we published on September 9th :tease:

- we said,

Quote:

"the new HD 5870 . . . is all for the suggested retail of $399!" and "The new HD 5850 will launch on September 23 also. We hear it is priced below $299."

- you heard it here FIRST at ABT .. and it was dead on accurate
:good:

thank-you!!
:grin:

gstanford · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:42 am

SO . . . reviews are flowing in now and what do we find?

Well over double the transistors of its predecessor, almost everything doubled, yet barely 50% faster.

ROFLMAO!

My GTX280 SLI setup (a touch better than a GTX295) is feeling particularly threatened.

All those shaders sitting there twiddling their thumbs. I said back when R600 launched (2006) that its shader setup was laughable. Nowadays its just pathetic.

dmcowen674 · **Joined:** Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:30 am **Posts:** 4932

gstanford wrote:

SO . . . reviews are flowing in now and what do we find?

Well over double the transistors of its predecessor, almost everything doubled, yet barely 50% faster.

ROFLMAO!

My GTX280 SLI setup (a touch better than a GTX295) is feeling particularly threatened.

All those shaders sitting there twiddling their thumbs. I said back when R600 launched (2006) that its shader setup was laughable. Nowadays its just pathetic.

You're so jealous, just buy a couple.

gstanford · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:21 am

Jealous... yeah, right! thats it... :hmm:

I *WILL* be buying a couple ... of GT300's (when they launch).

gstanford · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:30 am

from anandtech:

Quote:

Somewhere on the way to Cypress, AMD’s small die strategy got slightly off-track.

Cypress is 334mm2, compared to 260mm2 for RV770. In that space they can pack 2.15 billion transistors, versus 956 million on the RV770, and come out at a load power of 188W versus 160W on the RV770. AMD called 256mm2 their sweet spot for the small die strategy, and Cypress missed that sweet spot.

The cost of missing the sweet spot is that by missing the size, they’re missing the price. The Cypress cards are $379 and $259, compared to $299 and $199 that the original small die strategy dictated. This has resulted in a hole in the Evergreen family, which is why we’re going to see one more member than usual.

I note with interest than Anand himself didn't even bother to author the review, one of the lesser minions (not even Derek Wilson) got the task. I wouldn't bother myself with subpar rubbish either.

apoppin · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:39 am

dmcowen674 wrote:

gstanford wrote:

SO . . . reviews are flowing in now and what do we find?

Well over double the transistors of its predecessor, almost everything doubled, yet barely 50% faster.

ROFLMAO!

My GTX280 SLI setup (a touch better than a GTX295) is feeling particularly threatened.

All those shaders sitting there twiddling their thumbs. I said back when R600 launched (2006) that its shader setup was laughable. Nowadays its just pathetic.

You're so jealous, just buy a couple.

Frankly, i am not that terribly impressed from reading a dozen reviews:
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=11223
(please add to the list here and we will update the article as new reviews are released)

http://www.sweclockers.com/articles_sho ... 195&page=1
http://www.tomshw.it/graphic.php?guide=20090923
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/09/ ... ard_review
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd ... view-test/
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1080/1/
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/ ... s_Scaling/
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/2933/s ... index.html
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20289
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20354
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3643
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/ha ... eview.html
http://tweakers.net/reviews/1390/amd-la ... 1-los.html

http://techreport.com/articles.x/17618

1) Yes it IS the fastest single GPU that wipes the floor with GTX 285 (not really).
- 1a) and they improved the AF (f'ing finally) .. and they have 1b) eyefinity (who really cares .. now)
.. 1c) and DX11 - no big deal now - there are no DX11 games till Nvidia launches

But what really happened with 5870?

1. 5870 is NOT faster than the OLD 4870-X2 (so AMD EoL's it)

2. 5870 is beaten badly by GTX 295; it is really not that much faster than GTX 285 (i doubt BFG10K would care to exchange his for one; maybe - but it is not overwhelming)
3. $399 is expensive (yes GTX 285 is more expensive; but not for long)

imo 5870 is an average launch of warmed over and slightly improved tech .. not bad .. but i also think GT 300 will absolutely crush it
- if not, *then* Nvidia is really in trouble

i am in no hurry to get one either as my 4870-X2 is still just as fast and the now overpriced 5870 price will drop like a rock when GT 300 is released

i am more interested to see what the (crippled) 5850 can do; it might be a decent replacement for 4850, AMD's "best" GPU in the performance/watt category. And 5870-X2 is positioned to go against the forthcoming Nvidia's flagship, anyway.
:think:

gstanford · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:01 am

Apperently they "seemingly" have improved the AF. There are hints (nothing confirmed yet) that the shimmering beast has yet to be fully tamed. It looks nice in synthetic tests, but how it plays out in motion in games is what really matters.
http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php? ... stcount=42

Quote:

AF still is (and probably always will be) adaptive. The LOD-precision has been improved to a visually perfect level, but the reduced sample-count on AF and the reduced filtering at MIP-transistions is - in real applications like Crysis Warhead apart from the AF-tunnel - still visible.

So yes, they have it improved over the level of HD4800, but are still not noticeably above Geforce-default.

Carsten is no dummy. IIRC he is one of those responsible for exposing ATi's brilinear double standards back in the "3dmurk" days.

MrK · **Joined:** Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:08 pm **Posts:** 1674

gstanford wrote:

from anandtech:

Quote:

Somewhere on the way to Cypress, AMD’s small die strategy got slightly off-track.

Cypress is 334mm2, compared to 260mm2 for RV770. In that space they can pack 2.15 billion transistors, versus 956 million on the RV770, and come out at a load power of 188W versus 160W on the RV770. AMD called 256mm2 their sweet spot for the small die strategy, and Cypress missed that sweet spot.

The cost of missing the sweet spot is that by missing the size, they’re missing the price. The Cypress cards are $379 and $259, compared to $299 and $199 that the original small die strategy dictated. This has resulted in a hole in the Evergreen family, which is why we’re going to see one more member than usual.

I note with interest than Anand himself didn't even bother to author the review, one of the lesser minions (not even Derek Wilson) got the task. I wouldn't bother myself with subpar rubbish either.

I noticed that too. But the architecture explanation falls in line with what i would expect from derek or anand. so i think that they definitely contributed to the review. Still confused why their name isn't on there, maybe they are busy at IDF.

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