Mega 3D Vision *2* published - 01-01-2012

BoFox · Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:47 pm

drofnatsg wrote:

BoFox wrote:

[BBvideo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FpSR2xUc-CI[/BBvideo] (Won't work here?)

for more, go to http://www.3DVisionLive.com

use the movie camera icon in the full editor

I tried that, but now see that the solution is to remove the "feature=player_embedded&" from the link.

apoppin wrote:

Has anyone played DiRT 3 yet?

It is an even better looking game than DiRT 2 (if that is possible). The benchmark is set on a snow covered Aspen track and i am surprised that there are not a lot more accidents

If you just run it in 3D Vision with all the settings maxed out, you will get weird results and a bit of unease watching it. However, drop AA to 2x and turn Post Processing to Low and tweak a few settings and it looks pretty good in S3D. Better than with DiRT 2 which never quite looked right to me.

And it is a different-looking S3D than - for example - Lost Planet: Extreme Condition. With DiRT 3 it is though you are looking at your world inside of a (long) 'aquarium' where all of the action is confined in a 3D area; in LP, the difference is the snow particles seem to come out of the screen and surround the front of your field of vision. Both look good but i much prefer the LP-type implementation and in DiRT 3 the other cars in the background seem to all ride on a 2D plane when they get far away and it will spoil the effect for me.

BtW i managed to DL well over 35GB on my two "unmetered days"

It seems that DiRT 3 and Shogun TW both have a lot of patches from Steam. No sooner than i backed up the files than both started to update again (with significant patches of 500+MB each). i am not 100% sure the Steam back-up is working properly with Shogun. Try try again (and it is nearly 30 days till my next "free" D/L day).
:blush:

Thanks for sharing.. nope, haven't even seen a video of Dirt3 yet, but look forward to it since it's supposed to have so many more tracks, cars, and even snow! Yay!!! :yahoo:

Just no time to play games much right now, during such a busy period of the year.

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4965

apoppin wrote:

My issues were with Steam. i D/L everything to my notebook. Then i back up the files to an external HDD and finally i install from the HDD to my other two HDDs.

Well, even though Steam validated my Shogun 2 files and the game actually started on my notebook (everything 'low') and it played the opening cinematic, it couldn't back up more than 12 of 18GB. So i had to copy the installation (data) files from my notebook's HDD to my desktop. With a 50MB d/l it now appears to be working ..

I don't bother with backing up the steam folder, I just copy the entire thing (don't have internet on my gaming machine).

apoppin · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:00 am

out of this giant press release, one thing particularly interested me

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/amd-rein ... orms-at-e3

Quote:

“It’s also exciting that Deus Ex: Human Revolution is the first video game title optimized to natively utilize AMD HD3D capable hardware. Coupled with AMD Eyefinity functionality, PC gamers will be even more immersed in the action-rich gameplay and compelling storyline.”

[italics/bold mine]
HD3D over 3-panel Eyefinity

:hello:

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4965

Apparently there is a leaked "press demo" (aka beta build) of Deus EX: Human Revolution doing the rounds in the torrent world at present. Its being discussed @ Ars Technica. I have no plans to d/l it though.

apoppin · Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 12:44 pm

i got a reply from AMD

Quote:

It is possible to run HD3D currently in Eyefinity mode, but only with line-interleaved panels, this has always been enabled in our ecosystem. As for Deus EX: Human Revolution it’ll be the first title to support HD3D without the middleware, so a huge deal for us.

And i found this about HD3D

http://heavenrooms.com/?p=183

SirPauly · **Joined:** Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:56 pm **Posts:** 802

Yeah, that was exciting news to me based on AMD is trying to create awareness and to try to improve content for 3d stereo. What nVidia is doing is wonderful in this area but simply can't do it alone and needs the industry, especially AMD to help improve 3d stereo content for PC gamers and gamers over-all.

SirPauly · **Joined:** Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:56 pm **Posts:** 802

apoppin wrote:

i got a reply from AMD

Quote:

It is possible to run HD3D currently in Eyefinity mode, but only with line-interleaved panels, this has always been enabled in our ecosystem. As for Deus EX: Human Revolution it’ll be the first title to support HD3D without the middleware, so a huge deal for us.

And i found this about HD3D

http://heavenrooms.com/?p=183

That was a nice interview to help create awareness and was discussed a bit at Anand's:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread. ... highlight=

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4965

I'd stay far, far away from any 3D that works by using interlacing (the line interleaving mentioned). Anyone who has ever used an Amiga in high-resolution knows how nasty interleaving is.

apoppin · Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:26 am

http://www.journalofvision.org/content/11/8/11.full

It is pretty technical. In the study, they used 22" CRTs and their resolution appears to be fairly low so i asked Nvidia for comment.

From my own experience, there is a bit more more fatigue playing games in S3D than there is in 2D. If the game is set up perfectly - and Nvidia's blogs are a unheralded wealth of information for tweaking 3D Vision for specific games - the issues are minor and I can play for a long time. Generally, for extended gaming sessions longer than 3 or 4 hours, I tend to switch back and forth between 2D and S3D and the transition is seamless thanks to the switch on the emitter.

The study's guidelines for minimizing discomfort appears to be accurate from my PoV and it might be useful to the game devs who are considering optimizing their games for S3D:

1. Stereo display images can appear blurred or double because of the difference between the vergence and accommodative distances of the depicted objects. In attempting to resolve the vergence–accommodation conflict, the viewer can experience symptoms including eyestrain, blurry vision, eye tiredness, and headache. The display engineer and stereo content producer should understand the parameters of the conflict and then determine how best to minimize it and thereby increase viewing comfort.
2. Our data can be used to determine the likely discomfort associated with a given on-screen disparity for a young adult viewer at a particular distance. For example, near imagery is more comfortable than far imagery at long viewing distance, and far imagery is more comfortable than near imagery at short viewing distance. Such observations should be useful for display and content design.

No2 is especially obvious, imo. There is the issue of playing PC games on a small screen - 22-27" - close up, versus playing on a 50" HD3D TV from ten feet away. You'd want to look into the PC screen and have images pop out of the big screen. i think there should be a slider included with the movie and with each game to adjust depth and convergence for S3D. That would probably help.

grstanford · **Joined:** Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am **Posts:** 4965

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/201 ... -finds.ars
Samsung-funded study finds 3D video causes extra eye strain, fatigue

A second part of the study found that though 3D was fatiguing in general, the participants had more problems with distant displays showing an image with a vergence distance deeper than the screen and with near displays showing images popping out of the screen.

Unfortunately for Samsung, financial supporters of the study and manufacturers of 3D TVs, the research appears to indicate that they may be hurting the eyes of their customers.

Mega 3D Vision 2 published - 01-01-2012

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