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SirPauly
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Post subject: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:50 am |
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http://research.nvidia.com/publication/ ... tialiasing Quote: Subpixel Reconstruction Antialiasing (SRAA) combines single-pixel (1x) shading with subpixel visibility to create antialiased images without increasing the shading cost. SRAA targets deferred-shading renderers, which cannot use multisample antialiasing. SRAA operates as a post-process on a rendered image with superresolution depth and normal buffers, so it can be incorporated into an existing renderer without modifying the shaders. In this way SRAA resembles Morphological Antialiasing (MLAA), but the new algorithm can better respect geometric boundaries and has fixed runtime independent of scene and image complexity. SRAA benefits shading-bound applications. For example, our implementation evaluates SRAA in 1.8 ms (1280x720) to yield antialiasing quality comparable to 4-16x shading. Thus SRAA would produce a net speedup over supersampling for applications that spend 1 ms or more on shading; for comparison, most modern games spend 5-10 ms shading. We also describe simplifications that increase performance by reducing quality. Friend of mine, GanjaStar, shared this info.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:33 am |
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:26 am Posts: 20326 Location: 404 - Not Found!
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Very good! It appears to be released next month .. with a new card, most likely  There are a few games that MLAA benefits - Borderlands comes to mind - but most have issues with the GUI and text becoming blurry ... i'm interested to see how "the new algorithm can better respect geometric boundaries". Not too long to wait... and it reminds me that i need to get busy 1. SSD review - to be published this weekend 2. GeForce and Radeon driver performance analysis (ASAP!) 3. Benching for SLI vs. CF. (ongoing)
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:21 pm |
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:56 pm Posts: 818
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:33 pm |
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:26 am Posts: 20326 Location: 404 - Not Found!
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SirPauly wrote: High Quality Elliptical Texture Filtering on GPU http://www.pmavridis.com/ewa.html Quote: Abstract
The quality of the available hardware texture filtering, even on state of the art graphics hardware, suffers from several aliasing artifacts, in both spatial and temporal domain. Those artifacts are mostly evident in extreme conditions, such as grazing viewing angles, highly warped texture coordinates, or extreme perspective and become especially annoying when animation is involved.
In this paper we introduce a method to perform high quality texture filtering on GPU, based on the theory behind the Elliptical Weighted Average (EWA) filter. Our method uses the underlying anisotropic filtering hardware of the GPU to construct a filter that closely matches the shape and the properties of the EWA filter, offering vast improvements in the quality of texture mapping while maintaining high performance. Targeting real-time applications, we also introduce a novel spatial and temporal sample distribution scheme that distributes samples in space and time, permitting the human eye to perceive a higher image quality, while using less samples on each frame. Those characteristics make our method practical for use in games and other interactive applications. For cases where quality is more important than speed, like GPU renderers and image manipulation programs, we also present an exact implementation of the EWA filter that smartly uses the underlying bilinear filtering hardware to gain a significant speedup. Paper (Soon) Video (Soon) Slides (Soon)
Error: Not Found The requested URL /data/I3D11_EllipticalFiltering.pdf was not found on this server. What a tease! 
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BFG10K
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:37 am |
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:43 am Posts: 609 Location: D:\Games
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SirPauly wrote: High Quality Elliptical Texture Filtering on GPU http://www.pmavridis.com/ewa.html Their implementation still has texture aliasing though it's much less than the regular version.
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evolucion8
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:09 pm |
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Interesting, AMD copied nVidia's CSAA and now nVidia copies AMD MLAA concept which was originally an idea from Intel which has a PDF on its website.
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:06 pm |
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:56 pm Posts: 818
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:10 pm |
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am Posts: 5174
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I'll have a read, but, frankly I'd almost rather this hadn't been developed. It is difficult enough to get some developers to support proper AA and this may make it almost impossible, not to mention nvidia may use this themselves instead of patching proper AA into games that lack it.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:35 pm |
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:26 am Posts: 20326 Location: 404 - Not Found!
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i can't agree with you at all. This algorithm looks like it has real promise and i want to see it in action! Quote: We present a new antialiasing algorithm which exploits subpixel geometry information to reconstruct subpixel shading for antialiasing. SRAA runs in a few milliseconds on today’s GPUs, which makes it practical for real-time rendering applications. It will also scale to take advantage of increased bandwidth and computation on future GPUs. The algorithm can work with any underlying sampling pattern and number of shading samples. For example, it scales with more geometric samples (as seen in Figure 11) and shading samples. Unlike MLAA, the algorithm’s time and space cost is independent of the scene, except for rendering the G-Buffers where the time increases with scene complexity. We believe the next step is to combine ideas from SRAA and MLAA. SRAA uses relatively inexpensive geometric information to improve expensive shading results and is able to produce very good edge antialiasing. MLAA’s heuristics often produce overblurring (Figure 2), but it is able to resolve shading edges that SRAA cannot. These include texture, shadow, and specular highlight boundaries. An algorithm that combines heuristic shading weights with accurate geometric weights may be able to achieve higher quality than either alone in practice.
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: Subpixel Reconstruction AntiAliasing  Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:58 pm |
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am Posts: 5174
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No. DirectX10.1 gives developers everything they need to use MSAA properly with modern game engines and nvidia has supported DX10.1 since the GT240. This is unnecessary and downright lazy and nvidia tells a bald-faced lie in their .pdf when they say Quote: Deferred lighting and multisample antialiasing (MSAA) are powerful techniques for real-time rendering that both work by separating the computation of the shading of triangles from the computation of how many samples they cover. Deferred lighting uses deferred shading [SaitoandTakahashi1990] to scale complex illumination algorithms up to large scenes. MSAA resolves edges by shading multiple samples per pixel; unlike SSAA each primitive is shaded at most once. Unfortunately, these two techniques are incompatible (see Section2),so developers must currently choose between high quality lighting and high quality antialiasing.
_________________ This is such total Horse-S**t! "At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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