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 Post subject: Re: I think I'm gonna get a 27" Catleap monitor and another 7850
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:25 pm 
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Probably. Especially overclocked like yours is. Hopefully AMD will fix their drivers (soon). i hope Adam's experience at the other forum is not typical.

Are there lots of complaints about 78x0 CF?
:scratch:

Adam says that there are, but it's hard to get any information about the setup. There are no reviews and it seems as though very few people have done it (which makes sense seeing as the GTX 680 costs the same and gives similar performance).

What I think I might do is:

-upgrade my desk
-upgrade my monitor to the Catleap
-get another 7850 when the price comes down and when they *hopefully* fix the drivers, otherwise I could always just sell it and get a faster single card at that point


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 Post subject: Re: I think I'm gonna get a 27" Catleap monitor and another 7850
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:19 pm 
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Well, I did advise people here that the 2gb GTX 460 was the one to get if you were going to get one (or two), didn't I? Same with GTX 560. Was told I was silly and there would be no benefit. Well, we all know now how that argument turned out, don't we?

I read what you wrote on the other forum, SickBeast, and I'd be interested in knowing what specifically your issues/downfalls with SLI were outside of frame-buffer and bearing in mind you were using an unsupported hack to force SLI into working on your motherboard. I've had GTX 460's in SLI for at least as long as you have, on both AMD and intel platforms and issues/downfalls don't exactly spring to mind.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... ostcount=2
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FalseChristian wrote:
The GTX 680 isn't much faster than my 2 overclocked GTX 460 1GB in SLI. I'm gonna wait and see what the the GTX 760 has to offer. This is by far the longest time I've kept any GPUs. The GTX 460 1GB is still a beast of a card.

Yeah that's a powerful setup. I just hated running out of vram with my 768mb cards. Those 256mb of vram were more important than I thought.

You know what, though, the 7850 overclocked is about as powerful as the 460s but you don't have any of the downfalls of a dual card setup. I would recommend it if you can get $80-100 for each of your 460s.



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 Post subject: Re: I think I'm gonna get a 27" Catleap monitor and another 7850
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:00 pm 
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Unless AMD fixes their Xfire issues I wouldn't bother about it SB.


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 Post subject: Re: I think I'm gonna get a 27" Catleap monitor and another 7850
PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:51 pm 
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SickBeast, i can't sleep and i looked back over some of your posts .. and i have to say that YOU have really changed your mind about vRAM
Dec 18, 2010, you told Gstanford that 2GB was useless for anything except 2560x1600 with 8xAA
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22170&hilit=gtx+460+768MB&start=90#p44495

Dec 18, 2010 - we *warned* you about getting a card for SLI with 768MB of vRAM and GStanford also warned you about hacking SLI on a CF board:
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22170&hilit=gtx+460+768MB&start=80#p44466
But you said
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do still have my 8800GTS 320mb, which is why the 768mb version of the GTX 460 is so appealing to me. It will be a massive upgrade for me.

I've learned to live with a smaller frame buffer by disabling AA and sometimes lowering the texture slider a bit. I game at 1920x1200, and if the GTX 460 can give me 4XAA with all settings maxed out, I'll be happy.

With all the people that still use 512mb cards out there, I highly doubt that developers are going to make their games unplayable on a 768mb GPU. With the popularity of the GTX 460, I'm sure that game devs will make sure that their software will run fine with 768mb of video memory.

Most of the time right now, that extra 256mb of memory would be wasted because the games don't even take advantage of it. If you look at the 5% performance delta between the 1gb and 768mb cards, that is directly attributable to the extra stream processors and the higher memory bandwidth.

I'd be interested in seeing some benchmarks where games are seriously held back by 768mb of video memory.

My next post said:
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Check the slideshow minimums with just about any Unreal3 Engine game at 1920x1200 when you crank up the AA with a GTX 460-768M including Batman and Borderlands; Also GTA-IV
-- the 1GB version has no such issue

Check any of my recent reviews beginning with the HD 68x0 launch article in October to see the GTX 460-768M compared with quite a few other cards

What is the price difference between the 1GB and the 768M version?
:scratch:

Now take that difference and tell me how much it will cost more per month over 2 years and i will tell you to save up for a little longer and get the 1GB version
:grin:

Quite prophetic of i say so myself. This is a good forum!

Two days later we got this from you
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=22208&p=44608&hilit=gtx+460+768MB#p44596
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Not worth $40 more than the 768mb version IMO.

If it were selling for $140, then I would consider it.

In the next post, tviceman said, "hell yes it is"

Then you became very self-prophetic on March 15, 2011 after we asked you if you were satisfied with your GTX 768MB card and it is obvious you were considering SLI then as you are CF now
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=22669&p=48025&hilit=gtx+460+768MB#p48026
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Well, I'm going to wait it out a bit before looking for a replacement. I haven't been gaming very much lately anyway. I'll probably look for a 2gb card that's at least as fast as a GTX 580, therefore I will probably have to wait a year or so until something like that is affordable.

As for your article, that all sounds good. I'm not particularly interested in the card. I guess SLI performance would be interesting, but it doesn't sound like you're getting two cards.

You have been following your own plan B for quite awhile but moving up toward better components.
:hello:



And to show you that things NEVER change with AMD (although they do with Nvidia)
... and this is from 1-1/3 years ago
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=22392&hilit=gtx+460+768MB&start=10#p46302
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i was talking with one of Nvidia's PR guys today - mostly talking "shop" as he is a totally cool guy to talk to; and i was amazed by the talk of "targeting value", "price to performance and to watt"
-- all the things that Fermi reborn is good at

You'd almost think Nvidia took a page from AMD's playbook, adapted it for themselves and used it effectively as an offensive weapon against their competitor. The only thing i think AMD is slow to do is to drop pricing. i am not sure the upper management is totally aware of the threat - or that it can move quickly enough to counter. The next few weeks bear watching.


They will never learn unless their upper management gets a breath of fresh air.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:24 am 
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The craziest part of all is that if I total up my two GTX 460's, the intel motherboard and CPU and 8gb of memory, (I already had a SLI capable AMD board and the Phenom II) I come out ahead of SickBeast on overall cost, despite him doing things the "cheap" and "value minded" way. Penny wise, pound foolish.



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:29 am 
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i think the way to look at it is, live and learn

PC gaming isn't life or death. It is *experience* and it is priceless. There has been a real progression over the last 2 years. Look what SB started with before he got his GTX 460/768M - a 8800-GTS 320M. He went from a Ph II and hacked drivers to a fast SB system. And he now has a decent OC with his 7850 and a pretty darn good gaming system.

i didn't put the old posts up to embarrass anyone. Just to show progression. i guess the extra caffeine stimulated my memory - i remember these old posts. And we do have a great forum with an awesome membership that gives consistently great advice! There are no hidden agendas here.
:hello:

On the OTHER hand, AMD doesn't seem able to learn from their past lessons. For example, they cannot move quickly to adjust pricing like Nvidia apparently can. Or else they are unaware of how to do a good analysis which i doubt; there must be other issues.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 12:03 pm 
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Well, I think my weakness is that I lurk on a hot deals forum and I tend to buy things on impulse, sometimes just because they're cheap and I'm getting such a good deal on them.

gstanford I still think I came out ahead of you because I sold my GTX 460s for pretty much what I paid for them initially. I might have lost $50 on the pair which isn't much.

I completely misjudged the necessity of 1gb of vram when I bought those cards. Had I gone with the 1gb GTX 460s I would probably still be using them. That said, the two of them did run hot and their fans were definitely a lot louder than my 7850.

I'm happy with how my rig turned out. I'm looking forward to the 27" Catleap. The wife approved it so it's just a matter of time before I get it. :)

I'm *not* going with Crossfire until the drivers improve.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 3:01 pm 
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SB, always pay just a bit more if you want performance to last a couple years.
I'm lagging behind myself. Not for long though........ Saved up a 42,700 pennies for my future card. Figuring shipping in there as well.

Speaking of pennies, I did once collect them. Had around 3,000.



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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 4:05 pm 
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SB, always pay just a bit more if you want performance to last a couple years.
I'm lagging behind myself. Not for long though........ Saved up a 42,700 pennies for my future card. Figuring shipping in there as well.

Speaking of pennies, I did once collect them. Had around 3,000.

Yep. I should have waited for Sandy Bridge to begin with, and I should have gotten 1gb GTX 460s. It would have saved me a lot of hassle and a couple of upgrades. It's so easy to look back, though.


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