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SickBeast
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader  Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:25 am |
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Is the tegra 3 project Denver?
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:40 am |
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No. Denver is Nvidia's CPU project http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/01/project ... computing/http://blogs.nvidia.com/2011/01/project ... computing/Quote: Project Denver is an ARM architecture CPU being designed by Nvidia, targeted at personal computers, servers, and supercomputers. The CPU package will include an Nvidia GPU on-chip.[1]
The existence of Project Denver was revealed at the 2011 Consumer Electronics Show[2]. In a March 4th 2011 Q&A article CEO Jen-Hsun Huang revealed that Project Denver is a five year 64-bit ARM architecture CPU development on which hundreds of engineers had already worked for three and half years and which also has 32-bit ARM architecture backwards compatibility.[3]
The Project Denver CPU internally translates the ARM instructions to an internal instruction set, using firmware in the CPU.[4]
According to Charlie Demerjian, Project Denver was originally intended to support both ARM and x86 code using code morphing technology from Transmeta, but was changed to the ARM-64 instruction set because Nvidia could not obtain a license to Intel's patents
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SickBeast
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:00 am |
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Tegra 3 is a cpu as well, no?
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:10 am |
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No. SoC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TegraQuote: Tegra is a system on a chip (SoC) series developed by Nvidia for mobile devices such as smartphones, personal digital assistants, and mobile Internet devices.
The Tegra integrates the ARM architecture processor central processing unit (CPU), graphics processing unit (GPU), northbridge, southbridge, and memory controller onto one package.
The series emphasizes low power consumption and high performance for playing audio and video.
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:15 am |
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Quote: According to Charlie Demerjian, Project Denver was originally intended to support both ARM and x86 code using code morphing technology from Transmeta, but was changed to the ARM-64 instruction set because Nvidia could not obtain a license to Intel's patents. Not that I'd take anything that CharLIE says concerning nvidia at all seriously, and this doesn't necessarily concern Project Denver,but, atom will eventually overtake ARM in the mobile market, and then what will nvidia do with their ARM investment? They will be back where they started out with intel wrecking their mobile market the same way they wrecked the AMD chipset market, by making the competing CPU irrelevant. With a mobile GPU they could license to anyone interested this would not be a problem, the atom mobile devices would be just as able to use the GPU as ARM devices, but, by artificially tying the GPU to their own "custom" ARM cpu, nvidia is precluding this from happening. Imagination Technologies did not make this mistake, and their GPU gets used in Medfield based mobile devices as well as ARM devices.
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SickBeast
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:31 am |
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You really think Atom will take over? Why would you say that? These ARM chips are inherently more efficient and have a huge ecosystem of software at this point. Definitely for at least the next 3-5 years they are here to stay and they will take a dent out of the x86 market so long as they continue to make great products.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:34 am |
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grstanford wrote: Quote: A...tom will eventually overtake ARM in the mobile market, and then what will nvidia do with their ARM investment? They will be back where they started out with intel wrecking their mobile market the same way they wrecked the AMD chipset market, by making the competing CPU irrelevant. With a mobile GPU they could license to anyone interested this would not be a problem, the atom mobile devices would be just as able to use the GPU as ARM devices, but, by artificially tying the GPU to their own "custom" ARM cpu, nvidia is precluding this from happening.
Imagination Technologies did not make this mistake, and their GPU gets used in Medfield based mobile devices as well as ARM devices. You are looking at worst case for Nvidia; you are assuming that they are not also designing a mobile GPU  Worst case for Intel is that Project Denver makes Atom & Intel completely irrelevant in the mobile sector. It is going to depend on how each company "delivers". Neither company is AMD 
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SickBeast
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:40 am |
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On a smart phone, battery life is more important than performance IMO. That gives ARM an advantage.
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:48 am |
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apoppin wrote: You are looking at worst case for Nvidia; you are assuming that they are not also designing a mobile GPU If they are designing one then they are late bringing it to market, and Imagination Technologies is benefiting from that, not to mention, that by the time nvidia realizes ARM is dead and Atom has taken over intel will likely have a "good enough" internally developed GPU and not want anything nvidia may offer, especially if there is no consumer demand for a nvidia mobile GPU (due to consumers not having experienced one beforehand).
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This is such total Horse-S**t!
"At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang
Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: 1 billion mobile GPUs for in 2012; Intel is not leader Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:53 am |
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grstanford wrote: by the time nvidia realizes ARM is dead  And by the time Intel realized that Atom is dead ... and that battery life really DOES matter - Nvidia will buy them for their patents
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