I am turning my back on AMD as a company (CPU division only).

I no longer respect them. There were too many lies and false promises with respect to Bulldozer, and a failed launch that came over a year late is just too much for me to accept.

Even if I lose out on overclocking, I will probably go with Intel for my next build and just undervolt the thing.

I may even partake in gstanford's AMD hate. I need to get some hate out of me. I *hate* AMD at this point.

Their graphics division I have to respect because they are Canadian and it would be sacrilegious for me to turn my back on my own brethren. I may purchase their GPUs going forward.

My next CPU will *not* be made by AMD. Absolutely *not*.



/rant

Dark side?

That is silly. There is nothing dark about Intel and light about AMD except in PR fairy tales

i have been running Intel processors since 386
-- and no AMD at all until three years ago

They are both companies .. not your friend and not your enemy. Do not make the mistake of attributing anthropomorphic characteristics to a mega corporation


And welcome to Intel CPUs and platforms.

You know, Intel was the "dark side" for years with their Pentium 4s and their corrupt business practices.

The problem is, AMD has now stooped to Intel's level.

All I know is that I will not be buying a new CPU for a *long* time. It certainly won't be a Bulldozer, nor a Piledriver. If Ivy Bridge can hit 8ghz on 4 cores, then I might go that route, but that seems highly unlikely. It's looking like it will be 2-3 years before I can double my current performance with a budget CPU.

Did you just say *8* GHz on 4 cores?

Under LN2

Typo?

No typo.

I'm not upgrading my computer until someone gives me a quad core at 8ghz. Either that or I might accept 8 *full* cores at 4ghz (no modules or other marketing BS).

Like I said, it's going to be *years* before I upgrade. Ivy bridge will probably hit 5ghz on a good day.

"Gives you"?

Another typo?

Or are you planning to write for a tech site ... i could see that happening ..
And of course ... "years" is only 2x365 days.

Why wait and why wonder/worry about future performance? If you need the performance today, buy today. I distinctly recall being told to wait for BullDozer by both you and apoppin, what would it have done except waste my time and prevent me from enjoying the performance I desired for months?

Time is a "commodity" you only get to use once.

"Evil Intel" is long since gone, probably hanging out somewhere with "good AMD".

I haven't run any AMD product since my old K6-2 or 3. No hate for them to speak of, but I just won't run anything ATI/AMD now.

I remember dealing with ATI cards on other peoples computers and always running into some crap. The solution?......... Run a driver cleaner program. I have yet to ever run one on any of my pc's with Nvidia. That's like an indian tech guy asking you if you've restarted your computer, or if the pc is plugged in.


Everyone has their companies they stay away from, and tend to stick with ones that they have had zero problems with. My bastard children are MSI and Maxtor. If someone gave me anything from those 2 companies I would sell the items at a 60%+ loss and buy either EVGA, Intel or WD.

Well, I've bought so much hardware over the years that I seem to have had problems will all of them by now.
So at some point I had to get some companies out of the 'stay away' list, and give them a second try, or even a third.
On the other hand, many of the companies I've had problems with no longer exist anyway, or at least are no longer in this line of business.
Which also means that for a lot of components there's only a few brands left.
CPUs: only Intel and AMD, and it would seem that they have pushed all third-party brands out of the chipset market as well (yes, people were all over Intel for booting nVidia out, but I haven't seen anything but AMD chipsets for AMD CPUs either, lately... No SiS, no VIA, no nVidia...).
GPUs: only nVidia and AMD.
Harddisks? Don't think there's a lot left there either. Just a handful of brands.
Etc.
But especially with CPUs and GPUs you'll find yourself ping-ponging back and forth... You can only move away from a brand once, before you have to go back to a brand you already had problems with before.

I really, really hope Bulldozer ends up being like Phenom was when it initially came out, a great design in theory that still needed tweaks. Bulldozer needs a die shrink and optimizations, but I am optimistic that Bulldozer II (piledriver?) will be more competitive than phenom II was.