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 Post subject: Re: 4.7 Quake felt in Jamaica
PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:24 am 
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It is only sustainable as long as there is appropriate fuel that the reaction can burn (thats why supernova's go bang, they fuse elements in their core up to iron, which can't support the fusion process and the furnace comes to a sudden stop which leads to the huge supernova explosion). How much hydrogen fuel do you think we are capable of incorporating into one bomb?

And implying Hans Bater doesn't know what he is talking about is about the most arrogant thing I've ever heard, anywhere. I'd love to sent you back in time to see if you could figure out the reaction process ahead of him.......... His theory was proven by the Hydrogen Bomb.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:26 am 
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Let me try again.

What you call science, is guessing about the origins of the universe based on what we observe from here. All you have is "best guess".


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:29 am 
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apoppin wrote:
Let me try again.

What you call science, is guessing about the origins of the universe based on what we observe from here. All you have is "best guess".


"best guess" is better than crazy myths and has proven results backing it up. Hold on, I've another extract from that episode on exactly that subject for you.



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:42 am 
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You will like this one.

www.youtube.com Video from : www.youtube.com



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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 11:59 am 
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Agreed with that video

Best guess based on observation

:hello:

. . . and according to you, one story is "better" than another
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excuse me, but NONE of the traditional explanations - science nor religion - satisfy nor hold up under scrutiny
- yet metaphysics ties them all together.


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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 12:04 pm 
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Some stories are based on fantasies and some are based on repeatable provable facts. I'll let you work out which is myth and religion and which is Science.

Science is all about observing what you see, putting those observations into a theory (or theories) and then proving the theory correct, or refining the theory until you can prove it correct or discarding it altogether for a more appropriate theory if required.

The point is you can demonstrate science to be true and accurate, you can't with gods, religions and myths.



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drofnatsg wrote:
Some stories are based on fantasies and some are based on repeatable provable facts. I'll let you work out which is myth and religion and which is Science.

Science is all about observing what you see, putting those observations into a theory (or theories) and then proving the theory correct, or refining the theory until you can prove it correct or discarding it altogether for a more appropriate theory if required.

The point is you can demonstrate science to be true and accurate, you can't with gods, religions and myths.

What will today's "science" be considered 500 years from now? Much different than the "science" of 500 years ago?

We have no good ToE - period!
(yet)

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Lots of todays science will be perfectly valid in 500 years time, just like most of the science from ancient egyptian, greek and roman times is still perfectly valid.

The difference I suspect will be that our theoretical models will be more complex and robust than they are today.

I fail to see how anyone can argue against science, just look around you. Everything that isn't air, plant, earth or animal is there because of human ability to think theorize and put that theory into practice, not because of religion or myth. They won't build you a house to live in, a car to drive, or pipe water to your house. Science will and has though.



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Mathematics is unchanged. The scientific theories come and go.

Science will not tell you purpose or meaning - nor can it even tell you about the origin of life
- metaphysics encompasses both science and religion.

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Everything that isn't air, plant, earth or animal

That is an awful lot that you are taking for granted
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Who puts things that are not naturally found in this world if not us? Who builds the cities? The chimpanzees? The Birds? The aliens from Area 51? No, it is us humans who do so based on applied science.



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