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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:29 pm 
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Yay!!! I'm done!!!!!!!!!! I'm gonna update the OP with the percentages, but it's going to be an on-going research project. Right now, should I call it GPU Rankings 10.2a beta or something like that, lol?

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    ___Tier A Super High-End --(Plays Crysis like a dream)
  1. 113%-- Radeon Ares HD 5870X2 4GB (DX11) 1915
  2. 106%-- Geforce GTX 580 1536MB (DX11) 1797
  3. 103%-- Radeon HD 5970 4GB (DX11) 1746
  4. 100%-- Radeon HD 5970 2GB (DX11) 1694.85881271556608
    (times 28% over Tier B's 100%)

    Tier B Upper High-End --(Plays like a beast)
  5. 116%-- Geforce GTX 480 1536MB (DX11) 1536
  6. 102%-- Radeon HD 5870 2GB (DX11) 1351
  7. 100%-- Radeon HD 5870 1GB (DX11) 1324.108447434036
    (times 18% over Tier C's 100%)

    Tier C Mid High-End --(Plays most games at maxed-out settings @ 2560x1600 w/ 4x AA)
  8. 115%-- Geforce GTX 295 1792MB (DX10) 1290
  9. 110%-- Radeon HD 6870 1GB (DX11) 1234
  10. 109%-- Geforce GTX 470 1280MB (DX11) 1223
  11. 103%-- Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB (DX10.1) 1156
  12. 100%-- Radeon HD 5850 1GB (DX11) 1122.1258029102
    (times 10% over Tier D's 100%)

    Tier D Lower High-End --(Plays most games at maxed-out settings @ 2560x1600)
  13. 108%-- Radeon HD 6850 1GB (DX11) 1102
  14. 104%-- Geforce GTX 460 1GB (DX11) 1061
  15. 103%-- Geforce GTX 285 2GB (DX10) 1051
  16. 101%-- Geforce GTX 285 1GB (DX10) 1030
  17. 100%-- Geforce GTX 465 1GB (DX11) 1020.114366282
    (times 21% over Tier E's 100%)

    Tier E Upper Mid-Range --(Plays most games at nearly maxed-out settings @ 2560x1600)
  18. 114%-- Geforce GTX 275 1792MB (DX10) 96.1
  19. 113%-- Geforce GTX 460 768MB (DX11) 95.3
  20. 112%-- Geforce GTX 280 1GB (DX10) 94.4
  21. 111%-- Geforce GTX 275 896MB (DX10) 93.6
  22. 107%-- Radeon HD 4850X2 2GB (DX10.1) 90.2
  23. 105%-- Radeon HD 4890 2GB (DX10.1) 88.5
  24. 103%-- Radeon HD 4890 1GB (DX10.1) 86.8
  25. 100%-- Radeon HD 5830 1GB (DX11) 84.30697242
    (times 15% over Tier F's 100%)

    Tier F Middle Mid-Range --(Plays most games at high settings @ 1920x1200 w/ 4x AA or 2560x1600)
  26. 114%-- Radeon HD 4850X2 1GB (DX10.1) 83.6
  27. 110%-- Geforce GTX 260-216 896MB (DX10) 80.6
  28. 108%-- Geforce 9800GX2 1GB (DX10) 79.2
  29. 106%-- Radeon HD 4870 1GB (DX10.1) 77.7
  30. 104%-- Radeon HD 5770 1GB (DX11) 76.2
  31. 102%-- Geforce GTX 260 896MB (DX10) 74.8
  32. 100%-- Radeon HD 4870 512MB (DX10.1) 73.3104108
    (times 73% over Tier G's 100%)

    Tier G Lower Mid-Range --(Playable at up to 1920x1200 with 0-4x AA in most games)
  33. 147%-- Geforce GTS 450 1GB (DX11) 62.3
  34. 145%-- Radeon HD 5750 1GB (DX11) 61.4
  35. 141%-- Radeon HD 4860 1GB (DX10.1) 59.6
  36. 139%-- Radeon HD 4850 1GB (DX10.1) 58.9
  37. 136%-- Geforce GTS 250 1GB (DX10) 57.6 (beware of a multitude of underclocked versions)
  38. 135%-- Geforce 8800 Ultra 768MB (DX10) 57.2
  39. 133%-- Radeon HD 4850 512MB (DX10.1) 56.4
  40. 130%-- Geforce 9800GTX+ / GTS250 512MB (DX10) 55.1
  41. 126%-- Geforce 8800GTX 768MB (DX10) 53.4
  42. 124%-- Geforce 9800GTX 512MB (DX10) 52.5
  43. 123%-- Geforce 8800GTS 1GB (G92) (DX10) 52.1
  44. 120%-- Radeon HD 3870X2 1GB (DX10.1) 50.9
  45. 119%-- Geforce GTS 240 1GB (G92) (DX10) 50.4
  46. 119%-- Radeon HD 4770 512MB (DX10.1) 50.4
  47. 117%-- Geforce 8800GTS 512MB (G92) (DX10) 49.6
  48. 114%-- Radeon HD 4830 512MB (DX10.1) 48.3
  49. 105%-- Geforce 8800GT / 9800GT 1GB (DX10) 44.5
  50. 102%-- Geforce 8800GTS-112 640MB (DX10) 43.2
  51. 100%-- Geforce 8800GT / 9800GT 512MB (DX10) 42.37596
    (times 20% over Tier H's 100%)

    Tier H Upper Low-End --(Playable at 1680x1050 with 8-16x AF and 0-2x AA in most pre-2009 games)
  52. 111%-- Radeon HD 5670 1GB (DX11) 39.2
  53. 108%-- Radeon HD 5670 512MB (DX11) 38.1
  54. 107%-- Radeon HD 2900XT 1GB (GDDR4) (DX10) 37.8
  55. 106%-- Radeon HD 4730 512MB (DX10.1) 37.4
  56. 106%-- Geforce 9600GT 1GB (DX10) 37.4
  57. 104%-- Geforce 8800GTS 640MB (DX10) 36.7
  58. 103%-- Geforce 9600GT 512MB (DX10) 36.4
  59. 102%-- Radeon HD 2900XT 512MB (DDR3) (DX10) 36.0
  60. 101%-- Radeon HD 3870 512MB (DX10.1) 35.7
  61. 100%-- Geforce 8800GT 256MB (DX10) 35.3133
    (times 16% over Tier H's 100%)

    Tier I Mid-Upper Low-End --(Playable at default settings, lower resolution with 8x AF in most pre-2009 games)
  62. 114%-- Geforce GT 240 1GB (GDDR5) (DX10.1) 34.7
  63. 111%-- Geforce GT 240 512MB (GDDR5) (DX10.1) 33.8
  64. 110%-- Radeon HD 4670 1GB (DX10.1) 33.5
  65. 108%-- Radeon HD 4670 512MB (DX10.1) 32.9
  66. 108%-- Radeon HD 2900Pro 512MB (DX10) 32.9
  67. 108%-- Radeon HD 3850 512MB (DX10.1) 32.9
  68. 108%-- Geforce 8800GTS 320MB (DX10) 32.9
  69. 107%-- Geforce 8800GS / 9600GSO 384MB (DX10) 32.6
  70. 107%-- Radeon HD 5570 1GB (GDDR5) (DX11) 32.6
  71. 104%-- Geforce 9600GSO 768MB (DDR2) (DX10) 31.7
  72. 100%-- Geforce 9600GSO 512MB (G94) (DX10) 30.4425
    (times 25% over Tier J's 100%)

    Tier J Mid Low-End --(Playable at lower settings & resolution with 8x AF in most pre-2008 games)
  73. 122%-- Geforce 7900GX2 1GB (DX9.0c) 29.7
  74. 122%-- Geforce 7950GX2 1GB (DX9.0c) 29.7
  75. 121%-- Geforce GT 240 1GB (DDR3) (DX10.1) 29.5
  76. 119%-- Radeon HD 5550 1GB (GDDR5) (DX11) 29.0
  77. 117%-- Geforce GT 430 1GB (DX11) 28.5
  78. 117%-- Radeon HD 3850 256MB (DX10.1) 28.5
  79. 112%-- Radeon X1950XTX 512MB (DX9.0c) 27.3
  80. 110%-- Radeon X1900XTX 512MB (DX9.0c) 26.8
  81. 106%-- Radeon X1900XT 512MB (DX9.0c) 25.8
  82. 105%-- Radeon HD 2900GT 256MB (DX10) 25.6
  83. 103%-- Radeon X1950XT 256MB (DX9.0c) 25.1
  84. 100%-- Radeon X1900XT 256MB (DX9.0c) 24.354
    (times 98% over Tier K's 100%)

    Tier K Really Low-End --(Barely able to enjoy 4x AF with lowest settings and resolution in some pre-2008 games)
  85. 188%-- Geforce GT 220 1GB (DX10.1) 23.1
  86. 186%-- Geforce GT 220 / GT 315 512MB (DX10.1) 22.9
  87. 185%-- Geforce 7900GTX 512MB (DX9.0c) 22.8
  88. 178%-- Geforce 7900GTO 512MB (DX9.0c) 21.9
  89. 177%-- Radeon HD 5550 512MB (DDR3) (DX11) 21.8
  90. 168%-- Geforce 7800GTX 512MB (DX9.0c) 20.7
  91. 166%-- Radeon X1950Pro 512MB (DX9.0c) 20.4
  92. 165%-- Geforce 8600GTS 512MB (DX10) 20.3
  93. 162%-- Geforce 7950GT 512MB (DX9.0c) 19.9
  94. 161%-- Radeon X1950Pro 256MB (DX9.0c) 19.8
  95. 160%-- Geforce 8600GTS 256MB (DX10) 19.7
  96. 154%-- Geforce 9500GT 1GB (DX10) 18.9
  97. 153%-- Geforce 9500GT 512MB (DX10) 18.8
  98. 145%-- Radeon HD 4650 512MB (DX10.1) 17.8
  99. 136%-- Geforce 7900GT 512MB (DX9.0c) 16.8
  100. 136%-- Radeon X1800XT 512MB (DX9.0c) 16.7
  101. 132%-- Radeon X1800XT 256MB (DX9.0c) 16.2
  102. 131%-- Geforce 7900GT 256MB (DX9.0c) 16.1
  103. 129%-- Geforce 7800GS+ 512MB (AGP) (DX9.0c) 15.9
  104. 127%-- Geforce 8600GT 512MB (DX10) 15.6
  105. 125%-- Radeon HD 5550 1GB (DDR2) (DX11) 15.4
  106. 125%-- Geforce 7800GTX 256MB (DX9.0c) 15.4
  107. 123%-- Radeon X1900GT 256MB (DX9.0c) 15.1
  108. 122%-- Geforce 8600GT 256MB (DX10) 15.0
  109. 113%-- Radeon X1950GT 512MB (DX9.0c) 13.9
  110. 111%-- Radeon X1900GT Rev2 256MB (DX9.0c) 13.7
  111. 110%-- Geforce 9500GT 512MB (DDR2) (DX10) 13.5
  112. 100%-- Geforce 7800GT 256MB (DX9.0c) 12.3
    (times 23% over Tier L's 100%)

    Tier L Really, Really Low-End --(For any games other than pre-2007 or cheap 2D internet java-based games, forget about it!)
  113. 119%-- Radeon X1800XL 256MB (DX9.0c) 11.9
  114. 117%-- Radeon HD 2600XT 256MB (DX10) 11.7
  115. 107%-- Radeon HD 3650 256MB (DX10.1) 10.7
  116. 106%-- Radeon X1650XT 256MB (DX9.0c) 10.6
  117. 105%-- Geforce 7600GT / 7600GTS 256MB (DX9.0c) 10.5 GPUpower
  118. 102%-- Geforce 7800GS 256MB (DX9.0c) 10.2 GPUpower
  119. 101%-- Radeon X1800GTO 256MB (DX9.0c) 10.1 GPUpower
  120. 100%-- Geforce 6800Ultra 256MB (DX9.0c) 10.0 GPUpower

    Tier M Modern Video Cards That Does Not Play Modern Games --(Worse than some integrated graphics--only to be for HTPC audio functions, etc..)
  121. 85%-- Radeon HD 5450 512MB (DX11)
  122. 79%-- Radeon HD 4550 512MB (DX10.1)
  123. 60%-- Geforce 9400GT 512MB (DX10)
  124. 50%-- Radeon HD 4350 512MB (DX10.1)
  125. 45%-- Geforce GT 210 512MB (DX10.1)
  126. 38%-- Radeon HD 3450 512MB (DX10.1)
    (EXCLUDING THE REST OF OLDER / LOW-END VIDEO CARDS OUT THERE)...

Whaddya guys think?!? Please let me know if the percentages seem really off.. don't forget that the multi-GPU cards were already deducted by 15%.. multiply them by 1.15 if you do not like the multi-GPU penalties.., so that 5970 is 47% (instead of just 28%) faster than 5870 overall according to over 50 popular games put together for an average, without considering microstuttering or input lag or lack of scaling with some of the older/less popular games out there. GTX 480 is 16% faster than 5870, right? Dozens of sources seem to suggest an average of 15-17% or so, but any help would be appreciated.

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Hey apoppin, I'm thinking of making an article with this guide on ABT? I could try to write a few words for it, and make some references with links to sources.. or continue expanding it with a bigger database of info like shaders, ROP's, etc.. ?

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:20 pm 
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Not bad!

However, now i have issues with your terms:
(Plays like a beast)

and

(Plays Crysis like a dream)

No card plays Crysis like a dream .. :P
.. and i put Beast ahead of Dream
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Hahhahaha.. well, maybe not on your 2560x1600 monitor with at least 4x AA, but on my 65" 1080p DLP TV, a GTX 580 would definitely play Crysis at over 60fps maxed-out with 4xAA (perhaps including TRAA too). This is a serious milestone for most people, after 3 years of "Can it play Crysis?"

I'm thinking of using a linear scale in addition to percentages. Like with cars having horsepower ratings, I'm thinking of calling it "GPUpower" or something like that. Nearly every American male in the USA knows how much horsepower his car has, so should every gamer know that about his video card too! But I'm trying to think of an ideal, yet GENERIC scale to base it upon, that is reasonably balanced between the dynamically changing requirements of each new generation of technology (DirectX iterations, more advanced in-game settings like SSAA or universal physics, etc..) and raw pixel/texel/FLOPS/triangles output/bandwidth performance and efficiency. For now, maybe I should just start with a popular game that scales well, like Left 4 Dead or Call of Duty 4. CoD4 seems to be a better choice, since it does not seem to be so CPU-dependent with the scaling, IIRC.. Fallout 3, perhaps?

Thanks, apoppin.. it was such a fun challenge for me, despite requiring many many hours of research. A few things are still not as accurate as I'd like them to be (due to lack of sources), but I'm sure a few might help me polish some things down the road.

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It has been fun to watch your project evolve!
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Thank you, sir! I'm having a hard time with GTX 460 SE.. sometimes it beats GTX 460-768 in Metro 2033 and AvP with AA on, but loses most of the time.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:00 pm 
In Australia it is priced at $199 which puts it smack bang in the middle of GTS450 and GTX460 768mb, which I think is its natural home. I predict this will be a huge seller leading up to Christmas because it has fantastic performance for that price. An excellent stocking filler if ever there were one.


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Cool! Hey, about your new GTX 460, could you confirm with me if it's indeed faster than your 285? Many sources, especially TPU show the 285 beating 460 by a few percentage points.

Plus I'm thinking of putting 6870 below 470 due to novel driver optimizations introduced with 10.10 launch drivers. A handful of hardcore review sites confirm up to 10% skewing in performance due to these undue optimizations. Yep, I'm gonna go ahead and do it. *EDIT Done-- both the 6870 and 6850 lost 2 percentage points! A new poster, Ocre, just gave his own testimony to how AMD owners felt so ripped off with AMD reducing IQ behind their backs.

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How about VoodooPower instead of GPUpower? That way, homage is paid to the last Voodoo card ever made, the mythical Voodoo 5 6000, since it has approximately ONE GPUpower unit rating. Actually, it's the closest card to exactly 1 GPUpower that I could think of.

There! We have a unit similar to the horsepower rating for cars! A Geforce GTX 580 has 180 Voodoopower--180 times as much power as 3Dfx's last GPU. Also, it has 18 times as much power as the first DX9.0c card, 6800 Ultra. A Radeon 9700 Pro, the first DX9 card, would have 5 Voodoopower. Radeon 8500, the first DX8.1 card would have maybe 2.5 Voodoopower. Geforce 2 GTS has about 1.3 Voodoopower, while Geforce 2 Ultra, the last mighty DX7 card, has 1.6.

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This Voodoopower is a magical unit captured from the last incarnation of 3DFx's glory--it was the mightiest unit that 3dfx could barely impose on us gamers before taking its Voodoo5 6000 with it to the grave. Word has it that only 150 engineering samples escaped this horrendous fate, and 30 of them actually worked with slightly tweaked drivers (although with a workable PCI hardware bug yet fatal incompatibility with many motherboards).
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:48 am 
Cards just arrived.

Definitely won't be overclocking these -- Gainward has seen fit to omit a heatsink over the voltage regulators just like what happened on the Palit GTX460 Sonic which is virtually this cards identical twin (except for memory capacity). The mounting holes for such a heatsink are present on the card.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:17 pm 
Yes, just wanted to give a small taste. Who knows how long it will be before I get my thread ready for a public viewing? I tend to be slow and painful on the graphing, not really my thing.


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The 5870 is quickly losing value on ebay, much faster than I expected. It's similar to what happened to the 8800GTX after 8800GT was released. NV thought that releasing 8800GT at $300 would let 8800GTX stay at $500, but nope.. the GTX quickly dropped to $330 in about 2 months, with the GT dropping to about $220. The 3870, although released at well over $200, still went down to $180. Of course, both AMD and NV don't want to let this happen again, but competition is inevitable especially with the upcoming Cayman cards. Once the 5870 is phased out, it cannot be above the 6870's retail price on Ebay and trade forums, which is going to be somewhere below $200 in no time. Exactly one year ago, I remember hunting around for GTX 285 to replace my 8800GTX, but with it phased out, and with the delay of Fermi cards, it was going for higher than retail at $275-300 (during the summer it was retailing for as low as $230). The 285 carried a $100 price premium over the 275/280 due to it being the top offering, but quickly became obsolete with new DX11 cards from NV. Used 285's actually sold for more than the faster 5850 that supported DX11. Now, the 285, in Fermi's shadow, sells for half as much, hardly any more than an 8800 Ultra on ebay today. Yeah, it's obsolete to me too, due to the lack of DX11.

The 6950 is going to be a tricky card that determines the pricing structure for the rest of mid-range and high-end cards out there. If it could be found for $250 on Newegg, the 6870 will be pushed all the way down to $180, from $240--after NV lets the 460 1GB drop a bit to $160-ish so that it stands out in the shadow of new GTX 560 cards. But I'm sure that the 6950 will stay ahead of the new 560 by quite a healthy margin, so it'd be no lower than $299. Will the 6950 come ahead of GTX 480/570? Will the competition drive prices down like the 3870 vs 8800GT/GTX round?

I'm guessing that the 6950 will lose out to the 570 by a small margin, but keep in mind that the 570 might be a couple percentage points faster than the 480 due to improved FP16 filtering throughput and more robust Z-culling optimization. So, will the 6950 still be faster than the then-discontinued 480?

Already, GTX 480'es are selling for an average of scantily $290-300 on ebay (a MASSIVE drop from $380 right before the 580 came out). This is very bad news for both AMD and NV. If the 480 drops down further to $240, AMD will have a hard time selling the 6950 for any more than $260 unless it's noticeably faster without any driver cheats that have already been brought to the public's attention, courtesy of NV and hardcore review sites (harder than [H], heh..). IMHO, the 570 is already doomed to a sub-$300 average selling price. Once again, just how fast will AMD make the castrated 6950?

Does AMD have anything to directly encounter the GTX 560 that is sure to beat Barts XT 6870, rather than let it rake in all the $200-250 sweet spot sales? The 6950 would have to be at least 15% faster to make it worth the $40-50 premium in the $260-280 range. A surprise Barts "XTX" 6890, with 1280 shaders and 64 TMU's, perhaps??? NV is probably trying very hard to find out for sure if AMD is gonna do this or not. For a clearer picture, my guesses (for Feb-March 2011) would be this:


    ___Tier A Super High-End --(Plays Crysis 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
  1. $699 Radeon HD 6990 4GB (DX11) 250 Voodoopower -NEW
  2. $629 Radeon HD 6990 2GB (DX11) 240 Voodoopower -NEW


    Tier B Upper High-End --(Plays like a beast)
  3. $500* Radeon Ares HD 5870X2 4GB (DX11) 192 Voodoopower
  4. $439 Radeon HD 6970 2GB (DX11) 183 Voodoopower -NEW
  5. $489 Geforce GTX 580 3GB (DX11) 182 Voodoopower -NEW
  6. $439 Geforce GTX 580 1536MB (DX11) 180 Voodoopower
  7. $400* Radeon HD 5970 4GB (DX11) 174 Voodoopower
  8. $360* Radeon HD 5970 2GB (DX11) 169 Voodoopower


    Tier C Mid High-End --(Plays most games at maxed-out settings @ 2560x1600 w/ 4x AA)
  9. $289 Radeon HD 6950 2GB (DX11) 158 Voodoopower -NEW
  10. $299 Geforce GTX 570 1536MB (DX11) 157 Voodoopower -NEW
  11. $249 Radeon HD 6950 1GB (DX11) 154 Voodoopower -NEW
  12. $240* Geforce GTX 480 1536MB (DX11) 154 Voodoopower


    Tier D Lower High-End --(Plays most games at maxed-out settings @ 2560x1600)
  13. $200* Radeon HD 5870 2GB (DX11) 135 Voodoopower
  14. $180* Radeon HD 5870 1GB (DX11) 132 Voodoopower
  15. $239 Geforce GTX 560 2GB (DX11) 129 Voodoopower - NEW
  16. $190* Geforce GTX 295 1792MB (DX10) 129 Voodoopower
  17. $219 Geforce GTX 560 1GB (DX11) 126 Voodoopower - NEW
  18. $160* Geforce GTX 470 1280MB (DX11) 122 Voodoopower
  19. $199 Radeon HD 6870 1GB (DX11) 121 Voodoopower


    Tier E Upper Mid-Range --(Plays most games at nearly maxed-out settings @ 2560x1600)
  20. $140* Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB (DX10.1) 116 Voodoopower
  21. $140* Radeon HD 5850 1GB (DX11) 112 Voodoopower
  22. $149 Radeon HD 6850 1GB (DX11) 108 Voodoopower
  23. $159 Geforce GTX 460 2GB (DX11) 107 Voodoopower

* means discontinued, so the prices are for average re-sales

See how the majority of older cards dropped down a notch, to a lower class? Groovy, eh? ;)

Let's see how accurate (or inaccurate) my predictions would be!!! :think: <:-P (beer2)

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:58 am 
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What are used 5870s going for now? - now that you can get a new one for $215 after MiR at NewEgg

i do not believe that used cards affect new pricing whatsoever. Once the supply dries up, you have only the new cards and then the old cards tend to cost a bit more for a little longer - just like GTX 285 did.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:26 am 
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What are used 5870s going for now? - now that you can get a new one for $215 after MiR at NewEgg

i do not believe that used cards affect new pricing whatsoever. Once the supply dries up, you have only the new cards and then the old cards tend to cost a bit more for a little longer - just like GTX 285 did.


Wow, used 5870's went up quite a bit for the past couple weeks, from $210-ish, since I last looked, now to $~230. Must be due to the Xmas shopping season. After that, I'd expect prices to free-fall a bit. I don't see one for $215 after MIR on Newegg--the cheapest one is $309. Indeed, prices shot up all around for many models, including GTX 460 and Barts too.

"Whatsoever"? Well, if there's a gigantic supply of used cards on the market, it certainly would affect the new sales. With everybody dumping their 480's for 580's, super cheap used 480's are going to keep the new 570's in check--especially if Ebay and the trade forums are flooded with them, overriding buyers' decision to buy new cards instead of excellent used DX11 cards. Also, after the inventory is cleared out by a certain amount during the phasing-out period (by just enough to leave a few thousand cards still left in the retail channels), the retail prices will become ridiculously expensive again, just like with any of the ancient "brand new" cards that you could find on Newegg. Maybe it's deliberately done (as per NV/AMD's recommendation) to artificially keep the prices up for the new generation of cards, by keeping the old gen expensive?

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Again, not really.

If there is a giant glut of GTX 480s, then the guys *selling* their cards are going to need new ones
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