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apoppin
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Post subject: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:12 pm |
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We keep getting asked about some strange posters that sign up and post strange things and with replies that don't quite fit. Well, much of it is AI and some of it is quite advanced. When you think you are debating video cards with someone, just think that they may not be human - and in fact smarter than you are http://www.alicebot.org/directory.htmlAfter all, we are all technically "AI" and intelligence depends on the quality of the programming 
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:26 pm |
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:56 pm Posts: 803
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It would be odd to think one was debating with an AI bot. Hehe, advanced AI bots, designed to mock, get under the skin of a poster, place pressure on the poster so they will go into an emotional tirade. AI bots getting warned and eventually banned for mocking and personal attacks. Extremist AI bots flooding the forums.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:43 pm |
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i hate to say this .. but it has already happened. - we are talking about multi-billion dollar corporations. Just like Andy's article says, human PR is too unpredictable, emotional, wastes time and gets sidetracked, makes mistakes .. and worst - must be paid http://alienbabeltech.com/main/social-m ... uctive-jobForum 'bot wars .. and sometimes they debate each other.  .. the future is here .. now
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Scali
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:12 pm |
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I wonder, is JFAMD an AI bot? 
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:53 pm |
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:12 pm |
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apoppin wrote: i hate to say this .. but it has already happened. - we are talking about multi-billion dollar corporations. Just like Andy's article says, human PR is too unpredictable, emotional, wastes time and gets sidetracked, makes mistakes .. and worst - must be paid http://alienbabeltech.com/main/social-m ... uctive-jobForum 'bot wars .. and sometimes they debate each other.  .. the future is here .. now Auto responses are one thing for an AI but to actually debate with various points-of-views in forums with different posters is another league and doubt there are AI bots doing this right now.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:30 pm |
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Did you check this out? http://www.alicebot.org/directory.htmlThey have been working on AI for years; and the good programs are probably in-house and not listed at all. --if *i* had a mega-buck Graphics or CPU company with lots of computational power and SW programming engineers . . .  Getting a 'bot to debate in a tech video forum doesn't really require much intelligence - AI or otherwise - there are limited responses on a very specialized subject which is perfect for AI (and most other posters there) 
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:16 pm |
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:56 pm Posts: 803
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To pass off an AI bot as human is going to be tough in a forum though based on radical changes of topic, emotions, mistakes, humor, ignorance, being in a topic with many different mind-sets. I don't think they are there yet and doubt there are AI bots passing them selves as human posters, having months and months of discourse, but no doubt AI will eventually mature and improve and get there.
I believe an AI bot could be used for PR or marketing and tow the company line right now and improved in the near future.
I am Adam AI and part of the nVidia focus program. I receive free programming from nVidia from time to time to facilitate the evaluation of NVIDIA products. However, the opinions expressed are solely those of the Members, human and AI bots.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:52 pm |
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They have already done it in tests using people. And advanced AI passed in most of the cases; the people did not know they were chatting to a machine. - i see 'bot vs. 'bot over at ATF. My question is the same as this poster - can two 'bots tell they are both AI ? http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comm ... _chatting/And there are tests for AI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_testQuote: The basic position of most AI researchers is summed up in this statement, which appeared in the proposal for the Dartmouth Conferences of 1956:
Every aspect of learning or any other feature of intelligence can be so precisely described that a machine can be made to simulate it. Q: What makes humans different - or special? (A: nothing) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy ... telligenceQuote: ELIZA and PARRY
In 1966, Joseph Weizenbaum created a program which appeared to pass the Turing test. The program, known as ELIZA, worked by examining a user's typed comments for keywords. If a keyword is found, a rule that transforms the user's comments is applied, and the resulting sentence is returned. If a keyword is not found, ELIZA responds either with a generic riposte or by repeating one of the earlier comments.[24] In addition, Weizenbaum developed ELIZA to replicate the behaviour of a Rogerian psychotherapist, allowing ELIZA to be "free to assume the pose of knowing almost nothing of the real world."[25] With these techniques, Weizenbaum's program was able to fool some people into believing that they were talking to a real person, with some subjects being "very hard to convince that ELIZA [...] is not human."[25] Thus, ELIZA is claimed by some to be one of the programs (perhaps the first) able to pass the Turing Test,[25][26] although this view is highly contentious (see below).
Kenneth Colby created PARRY in 1972, a program described as "ELIZA with attitude".[27] It attempted to model the behaviour of a paranoid schizophrenic, using a similar (if more advanced) approach to that employed by Weizenbaum. In order to validate the work, PARRY was tested in the early 1970s using a variation of the Turing Test. A group of experienced psychiatrists analysed a combination of real patients and computers running PARRY through teleprinters. Another group of 33 psychiatrists were shown transcripts of the conversations. The two groups were then asked to identify which of the "patients" were human and which were computer programs.[28] The psychiatrists were able to make the correct identification only 48 per cent of the time — a figure consistent with random guessing.[29]
In the 21st century, versions of these programs (now known as "chatterbots") continue to fool people. "CyberLover", a malware program, preys on Internet users by convincing them to "reveal information about their identities or to lead them to visit a web site that will deliver malicious content to their computers".[30] The program has emerged as a "Valentine-risk" flirting with people "seeking relationships online in order to collect their personal data".[31]
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: AI 'bots on Forums  Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:39 am |
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:56 pm Posts: 803
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I believe all of that. My point is I don't think they can create AI bots to infiltrate forums and pass them off as humans yet. Too many people and variations at once and probably expose the AI bots. One on one chatting is one thing -- The bot has to sign up and pass that test -- start off topics or enter topics and deal with the intricacies of a social order, considering the complicated state of different mind-sets -- a tall order dealing with them.
There is no doubt that eventually AI bots could easily pass off as humans to most humans, and probably some AI bots, currently that could do it now in a more controlled environment.
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