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Well, i cannot confirm it as i still don't even have a single HD 7970. From what i am told, i will get HD 7950. i am setting up to run HD 6970-X3 Tri-Fire on an overclocked FX-8150 (for a final thermal test of my Tt Chaser MK II full tower) and will report on the state of the latest Cats then; but it is not 7000 series

AMD recently had a huge shake up and realignment. It would seem logical that it would also affect their driver teams. CrossFire has always been a priority with them and i doubt that has changed.
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Speaking of BD & CF, have you guys seen this toms article?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx- ... 98-13.html

It sort of surprised me. The FX-6100 is not the cpu to use for CF, apparently. Good thing Apoppin gots a FX-8150


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Good timing. i am about to fire up FX-8150 as soon as i feel better; probably tonight or tomorrow.

i am doing a case/CPU cooler(s)/watercooler/fan review this week overclocked FX-8150 and with HD 6970-X3 TriFire (can you imagine the heat for the case and coolers?) and am looking to overclock the FX-8150 as far beyond 4.4GHz as i can. i already tested this setup and HD 6970-X2 CrossFire scaled nicely at 4.4GHz but failed to give X3 TriFire any workout,


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apoppin wrote:
Good timing. i am about to fire up FX-8150 as soon as i feel better; probably tonight or tomorrow.

i am doing a case/CPU cooler(s)/watercooler/fan review this week overclocked FX-8150 and with HD 6970-X3 TriFire (can you imagine the heat for the case and coolers?) and am looking to overclock the FX-8150 as far beyond 4.4GHz as i can. i already tested this setup and HD 6970-X2 CrossFire scaled nicely at 4.4GHz but failed to give X3 TriFire any workout,


Should be a good article for sure!!


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nvidiacookies wrote:
Now here's my complaint. As usual, AMD is not as good as nvidia is with dual gpu support. When it works, it works well: My performance in bf3, crysis 2, was much much faster than 580 sli.

If you look at the graphs at ABT and do the math, crossfire is more efficient. It's around 5% faster IIRC.

As someone who just had a GTX 460 SLI setup, let me tell you, SLI is far from perfect. I'm not saying that Crossfire is better, just that multi GPU is a waste of time IMO.

What do you mean by "support"?

It would be interesting to know who typically releases a multi gpu profile faster (amd or nvidia).


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TBH I'm shocked that you guys are downplaying the 7970 when it's the best single GPU currently available market, and it's priced fairly in comparison to the GTX 580.

Give it a few months and I'm sure it will cost $300-400 and we'll see a bunch of people buying them.

I'm actually starting to agree with the sentiment at AnandTech that this place is developing an nVidia bias.

WE DON'T NEED NO MODERATION either. Pink Floyd said it well, albeit about something else. ;)


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i am going to delete the OFF TOPIC nonsense in the tech threads

i'll give you a couple of minutes so you can C&P anything you think is important

If you want to call out members - PERSONAL FORUM ISSUES

UPDATE: Deleted the nonsense posts.


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ABT developing an Nvidia bias? Doubtful.

We have some AMD supporters posting here and i also like AMD.

ABT is a media partner with both Nvidia and AMD.


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SickBeast wrote:
nvidiacookies wrote:
Now here's my complaint. As usual, AMD is not as good as nvidia is with dual gpu support. When it works, it works well: My performance in bf3, crysis 2, was much much faster than 580 sli.

If you look at the graphs at ABT and do the math, crossfire is more efficient. It's around 5% faster IIRC.

As someone who just had a GTX 460 SLI setup, let me tell you, SLI is far from perfect. I'm not saying that Crossfire is better, just that multi GPU is a waste of time IMO.

What do you mean by "support"?

It would be interesting to know who typically releases a multi gpu profile faster (amd or nvidia).


Well, i'm well aware of the pitfalls of dual gpu, the things I don't like about NV dual gpu setups is that they are typically extreme power hogs and generate a TON of heat, while so far the 7970 xfire immediately turns off the 2nd card when not gaming. Its pretty damn nifty to be honest with you. Produces a lot less heat and less noise than GTX 580 sli setup.

On the flip side of the coin, some stuff is just confusing. Batman: AC does not scale in xfire at all, in fact it does not even utilize the 2nd GPU - I have the MSI afterburner overlay and my 2nd GPU stays at 0%. This game has been out far too long to not have xfire support yet, while NV had it on day 1. And witcher 2, i've since got that fixed by using an updated driver (the 1/9 driver on the AMD website) so it is scaling in xfire now, both GPU's at near 100%.

I'll tell you i'm mighty impressed with the 7970s despite the shortcomings, and to be honest i'll probably prefer that system for personal gaming. That my friend is how impressed I am with the 7970, it is good hardware. But its downright confusing how AMD has taken a month to get xfire profiles out for various games such as bf3 and such. And still no profile for skyrim and batman: AC. All that said - the hardware is ridiculously good, especially when overclocked. And most games DO work, i'm just pointing out some that don't. Since NV really stepped it up in terms of getting SLI drivers out fast, I think AMD should do the same. Its only fair for customers that spend 1200$ on AMD GPU's right?! They just released a CAP today, so hopefully they got the message. I understand they had shakeups recently and what not, hopefully they'll fix this.


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apoppin wrote:
HardOPC is being hard on AMD for a change ,,,, here is their editorial on the state of CF-X drivers
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/01/ ... unity_lost
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We know many of you are anxious to read a Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX evaluation from us. We are anxious to write it! We have been as polite as we can, and given AMD every opportunity to give us the best driver to show off the Radeon HD 7970 CFX in the best light possible, but here we are one week in with no driver or CAP for public consumption.

One week is simply unacceptable to not have a proper CrossFireX driver and CAP for your new GPU. First impressions are very important, and AMD is leading with a bad first impression with Radeon HD 7970 CrossFireX. We let AMD know last year that we thought its driver ways were turning into a huge negative for AMD GPU owners. We were told in December at the Radeon HD 7970 press briefing that 2012 was going to be different in terms of software support. What AMD is doing and what AMD is saying are two different things. It brings up painful memories about last year's CrossFireX support in games and reminds us of the Radeon's past when it comes to drivers.

The Bottom Line

We have to just sit here with our heads in our hands and wonder why AMD is seemingly trying its best to piss off its customers that spend the most on its retail products; the CrossFireX gamer. We have seen more than a few AMD video card owners openly express that AMD’s lacking driver support is pushing them to not consider an AMD GPU for their next buy. And honestly, it is hard to hold that decision against them.

Remember the days of monthly Catalyst Driver releases? Remember the days of Terry Makedon, the "CatalystMaker" pushing those out? That all seemingly ended when Terry moved to CPU marketing and AMD seems to think that all of those efforts are no longer important. Let’s sit back and see if AMD squanders what could likely be it best GPU ever.

As we are getting ready to publish this, AMD's PR company has sent us a new CFX driver, but it is still full of bugs. We have been told though that RC11 is coming later this week, and "that is planned to be released publicly as well." No date was given. If you put down big cash on HD Radeon 7970 CrossFireX you are not being ignored, but you surely are not being attended to either.


Kyle has my respect.. just speaking up for the gamers and their $1100+ spending.

Nothing to do with rooting for Nvidia or AMD, as far as fanboyism goes. Only a fanboy accuses the other of being a fanboy even when he's not 100% absolutely, utterly sure about it himself.

Me, I do hold Nvidia in higher regards, for the commendable Stereo3D support which means a lot to the 3D gaming experience. Even if a Radeon card were performing twice as fast, for the same price, I'd still go for an Nvidia card just for the 3D capabilities. My last AMD card was a Radeon HD 4870, after having an HD 4850, HD 3850, and X1900XTX in my second ("wife's") rig since it had that damn 60Hz monitor. If the monitor were able to do S3D, then I wouldn't be having a Radeon card since the X800XT All-In-Wonder which was a flagship GPU with AWESOME video tuner capabilities. My "own" rig with my 24" CRT monitor that personally served Stereoscopic 3D flavor for so many years always had a Geforce card in it, and I've been using S3D since the 6800 Ultra AGP, then the PCI-E version, then 7900GT, then 7900GTX SLI, then 8800GTX and now GTX 460 1GB. Hail 3D gaming!!! Nothing to do with rooting for Red or for Green, but for an added dimension, that's all folks!

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