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 Post subject: Re: Will Medfield be the chip Intel needs to take on ARM?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:12 am 
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Again, we don't have any hardware from Intel. Just smoke and mirrors so far from their PR and a laundry list of what Medfield MAY bring.

We've been there and done that already. i want to see the actual product when it launches. Not pass judgement - positive or negative - on vaporware. i am maintaining a healthy skepticism.

What if AMD announced the same thing? You would be calling it a joke.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:20 am 
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People have reference systems available to them already, the hardware exists. The AMD joke is they had the same thing and sold it off.



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And yet they are not benching it for themselves but relying on Intel's best case benchmarks.

Get back to us please when there are actual phones to test. Maybe i will get one for review from Intel
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Battery life is more important than CPU performance for a phone IMO. Even Intel's spin doctors are admitting that Medfield's battery life will fall short of what the ARM chips can do.

There's no need for a GPU on a phone, either. Video acceleration might be interesting, but really smartphones are terrible for playing games on.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:51 pm 
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the medfield i heard of has a terrible idle to light cpu power draw. This is why i want to see what the real chip can do. But its got to be months away, cause i dont know of anyone that has their hands on it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Ocre wrote:
the medfield i heard of has a terrible idle to light cpu power draw.

RWT Article wrote:
It is manufactured on Intel’s 32nm SoC process that has been optimized for power efficiency. The process includes three transistor libraries for performance logic, standard logic and always-on blocks and extremely dense SRAM macros. As an example of a new process technology optimization, the 32nm SoC process includes a transistor that has 10X lower leakage than any available at the 45nm node, which is crucial for always-on regions. In addition, the process has both 1.8V and 3.3V I/O transistors, which are necessary for integrating all the I/O into the SoC.

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The branch predictor is an 8K entry Gshare predictor, twice the size of the previous generation. The 48B post-fetch instruction buffer in Lincroft has been augmented to act as a cache to save power by eliminating repeated instruction fetches in Saltwell. This technique is similar to the Loop Stream Detector that was first implemented in Merom.

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An always-on TSC and local APIC timer have been added, primarily to assist with power management and avoid waking up the CPU.

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One of the major power improvements in the design was moving the L2 cache to a separate voltage rail from the CPU core. The 6T SRAM in the L2 cache has a significantly higher minimum operating voltage compared to the logic and 8T SRAM cells used in the CPU core. The Vmin for the Saltwell core is 0.7V, while the L2 operates on a fixed 1.05V rail. Intel’s engineers estimate that using separate voltage rails improved the Vmin by around 18mV.

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The clock distribution was also improved to reduce power, with finer-grained frequencies. ... The PLL, which generates the core clock, was also tweaked for lower dynamic power consumption.

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The net result of the 32nm process technology and circuit design improvements is significant. Figure 1 shows the projected power for the 32nm Saltwell core and L2 cache at a number of operating points. As a rough comparison, it consumes about 40% less power at a given frequency, compared to the previous generation Z600 core.



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And everything RWT wrote came from Intel's own testing and PROJECTED figures. They wrote a PR piece for Intel. Must be slow over there.


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The actual power consumption will depend on chip temperature and clock speed, that is mentioned in the article. Lots of things got mentioned like a 32 bit only variant with 1 gb memory access limit, specifically designed for mobiles, and they also detailed the power consumption impact of hyperthreading too, where enabled.

You are accusing intel of lying about Medfield? This should be fascinating to watch. I think you are cruising for an intel bruising.



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Accusing?

Strawman, much?
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You are trying to discredit intel and Medfield by saying "don't trust their PR". The question is why don't you trust their PR? Not that it matters to me, I won't be the one with egg on my face when Medfield does launch to consumers.



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