HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby apoppin » Sat Mar 03, 2012 5:52 pm

Nsavop wrote:That can't be right 40% faster then 570 is near 7970 territory

Well, what do AMD's PR slides show regarding the 7970 and the GTX 580?

The slides are "best case"

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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby BoFox » Sat Mar 03, 2012 9:22 pm

Looks like HD 6950 is all cleared out - and only one 6970 model left on Newegg. AMD has already done a good job with clearing them out, so they have more "power" to price things high.

But still PLENTY of HD 6870s for sale: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... geSize=100

- giving HD 7850 some good "competition" :grin:
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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby tviceman » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:46 pm

f**king PR slide decks are so stupid when they use competitor's products as comparison. You *know* right away they are putting their product in the best light and their competitors at a disadvantage. The only PR benchmarks slides worth reading into are ones when they compare their own products - but even then it needs to be digested with a grain of salt and a large glass of water.
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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby BoFox » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:06 pm

Now, I'm thinking that the Pitcairn series are a bit better than what was posted over at 3DC forums.. because Dragon Age 2 and Starcraft 2 really sucked for those cards:

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http://www.3dcenter.org/news/erste-benc ... -7850-7870

In DA2, even the 7950 lost to 6970.

Overall, 7870 seems to be pretty equal to 6970... (but then GTX 570 also appears to be equal to HD 7950 overall in this benchmark chart) Nah....
A few more days left to know for sure!
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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby apoppin » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:17 pm

So you think, $350? Higher?

Could the leaked prices be right?

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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby BoFox » Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:24 pm

Nah, still too high.

Best case:

HD 7870 = GTX 570 / HD 6970

HD 7850 = in between GTX 560 Ti and HD 6950, or more accurately HD 5870

That's my best guess for now, and now I'm betting on it.
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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby apoppin » Mon Mar 05, 2012 8:34 am

BoFox wrote:Nah, still too high.

Best case:

HD 7870 = GTX 570 / HD 6970

HD 7850 = in between GTX 560 Ti and HD 6950, or more accurately HD 5870

That's my best guess for now, and now I'm betting on it.

Nope. i got it

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22573
If you were expecting exact replacements for the 6800 series, prepare to be disappointed. The new Radeon HD 7850 is the one priced at $249; its big brother, the Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition, costs a more burdensome $349. That means today's launch leaves the $199 price point conspicuously devoid of next-generation GPUs. Perhaps that will change in the future—possibly after the arrival of Kepler parts from Nvidia, which are rumored to be coming soon—but for now, we might say the hole in AMD's lineup is only partially plugged.

Also, it turns out AMD has revived that beloved, time-honored tradition known as the soft launch. In the company's words, today marks the lifting of the "preview NDA" (or preview non-disclosure agreement). We can tell you everything we know about these cards and post our performance findings, but actual products aren't due out in volume until two weeks from now, on March 19.

Another friggin' soft-launch.

Let's skip to the conclusion, shall we
The Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition and Radeon HD 7850 are plainly more desirable than the old Radeon HD 6970 and 6950. They're not only faster for the money, as the plots above show. They also have substantially lower power consumption and, if our experience with the 7870 is any indication, obscene amounts of overclocking headroom.

I'd say the two new Radeons are also better options than the comparable GeForces. It's true the GeForce GTX 560 Ti we tested isn't one of the highest-clocked models, but the Radeon HD 7850 is so much faster, I doubt a clock speed increase for the GeForce would bridge the gap. The Nvidia parts also had more trouble maintaining consistently low frame times in the games we tested, a fact that's reflected in our 99th percentile FPS per dollar plot.

And, again, the Radeons are way more power-efficient.

Those are all remarkable achievements, but they're diminished by AMD's somewhat conservative pricing. The key thing to note is that Pitcairn is considerably smaller than the GPUs inside the Radeon HD 6900 and GeForce GTX 560 series. In fact, it's even smaller than Barts, a chip that powers Radeon HD 6800-series cards priced as low as $140. It seems like a given that the Radeon HD 7850 will find its way south of the $200 mark eventually, and that is a truly exciting prospect. Heck, we may even be treated to a price war once Nvidia's 28-nm Kepler GPUs come out. If that happens, AMD clearly has plenty of ammunition.

As excellent as these new Radeons are, I'm a little bit disappointed by AMD's choice of cooler for the Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition. (We can't really comment on the 7850, since our sample wasn't representative of retail offerings.) Considering the Pitcairn GPU's modest power requirements, I'd have liked AMD to tune its reference cooler for lower noise levels.

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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby tviceman » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:50 am

The 7870 and 7850 are the first (and currently only) decently priced 28nm GPU's from AMD. The hd7870 consistently nips at gtx580's heels (occasionally faster) is always faster than the hd6970.
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Re: HD 7870/7850 leaked specs and (high) pricing

Postby apoppin » Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:14 am

tviceman wrote:The 7870 and 7850 are the first (and currently only) decently priced 28nm GPU's from AMD. The hd7870 consistently nips at gtx580's heels (occasionally faster) is always faster than the hd6970.

Good overclocking also. Their process is getting more mature and it says that the chips released before it were somewhat premature (by their own standards, previously and now again compared with HD 78x0).

What this looks to be is a pretty devastating strike at the current line-up and a preemptive strike against Nvidia's upcoming Kepler. It also signals a possible price war, if Nvidia will take the challenge. And it also means that Nvidia has about 2 weeks to answer - with something hopefully other than pricing adjustments. If they have an answer, i expect to see the 500 stock clear just like the 6900 stock cleared.

It appears that AMD has finally got some decent strategy down. Interesting .. and even fascinating
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