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 Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A
PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 4:34 pm 
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Now let's say that Nvidia accidentally misrepresented their transistor count. What would be the reaction on the tech sites and what would Bauman (now speaking like a politician) say in that same exact case if the situation were exactly reversed?

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i believe Nvidia is held to a higher standard and expected to behave ethically. The same thing is not expected of AMD; much to their detriment as a company. Ultimately it hurts their moral fabric as a company and their reputation whether they acknowledge it or not.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:14 pm 
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BoFox wrote:
Another word on AMD's "dishonest" marketing:

Dave Baumann wrote:
A published transistor number is really a marketing number - it has no practical use and the reported number will make no difference on how an application works, it is immaterial to all intents a purposes (and the difference in numbers just relates to what is actually counted and whether it is consistent with previous numbers released). Discussing and detailing how an architecture works does have real implications to terms of how an application performs; although the operation is abstracted from developers documentations and tools are provided so that developers can accurately tune their code to a given target or at least understand application behaviours from one solution to another.

from: http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php? ... tcount=105

Dave Baumann joined ATI as technical marketing manager, and is now AMD Product Manager. He was originally Beyond3D's chief editor, before being hired by ATI. What was being discussed in the above quoted post is the misleading number of 2 billion transistors for Bulldozer that AMD published at the time of launch. About 3 months after launch, the number was revised to 1.2 Billion transistors, a huge 800M difference (Anandtech did an article on this issue alone: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5176/amd- ... 12b-not-2b )

So, I replied over there at that thread:
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Your point is completely understood.

But (yes, there's one but..) to mislead people with the "reported transistor number" is not quite ideal for those who have been discussing the transistor density of chips such as HD 7970 vs HD 7770 vs HD 7870 back and forth in other threads. Not to be argumentative.. just thought I should add that, that's all.

So, you've had a run in with Baumann on B3D? Was only a matter of time. He's a spin-master and liar extraordinaire. I'd point you to some of the crap he posted to me about DX9 partial and full precision and ATi's Doom 3 shader replacement and how it wasn't really cheating, but he made very sure to delete all that off of the B3D forums before leaving to join ATi.



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:32 pm 
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So, you've had a run in with Baumann on B3D? Was only a matter of time. He's a spin-master and liar extraordinaire. I'd point you to some of the crap he posted to me about DX9 partial and full precision and ATi's Doom 3 shader replacement and how it wasn't really cheating, but he made very sure to delete all that off of the B3D forums before leaving to join ATi.

Since it was my very last post on B3D, with this reply to Baumann, it probably ruffled his feathers also, so he could've given the final nod to the site owner to perma-ban me (if I didn't piss off AlexV enough already).

To make sure it doesn't happen again, I grabbed a screenshot of his post, so he's not able to wipe this from the internet:

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Yes, I'm sure that is what happened. AlexV might call himself, web master and administrator of B3D, but don't doubt for a second that it is Baumann who still runs the show in the background.

Who cares?! B3D is a pale, sorry shadow of it former self anyhow. Gotta love Karma.



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Yes, I'm sure that is what happened. AlexV might call himself, web master and administrator of B3D, but don't doubt for a second that it is Baumann who still runs the show in the background.

Who cares?! B3D is a pale, sorry shadow of it former self anyhow. Gotta love Karma.

I reckon that it's some of their dreams to try to follow in Baumann's footsteps (originally Chief Editor of B3D) and eventually get hired by AMD, becoming a millionaire technical marketing manager just like Dave himself. Sorry B3D losers, those shoes were already filled. :lol: Those new posts over there at that thread continues the depressing attitude of a wounded ego.. ouch, it takes some time for them to heal! They just couldn't stand the fact that a new-comer who's not a programmer/engineer was able to challenge them from so many different angles. And AlexV was right, in that I did "kindly point out" the flaws. :tease:



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Let's look at what Dave Bauman said and i assume it is an official response from AMD as he is a spokesman for them:
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A published transistor number is really a marketing number

i guess we are to take from his words that AMD's marketing numbers = BS. Untrustworthy. A tool used for deception especially in this case. There was clearly no mistake made with the numbers. That is impossible - or else they are completely incompetent.

A published false number is a misleading number - period. A lie is a lie and no one can defend the indefensible without their own ethics being called into question.

Let's look at what Bauman said next about AMD's "marketing number" in this case":
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it has no practical use

Then why do their marketers use it at all? In contrast to his weak attempt at spin, we see transistor count being *featured* for every CPU, APU and GPU in every one of their press decks and in their specs.

The problem is, Bo_Fox, you were able to see through their Bullsh!t and pointed it out. There is no way to "kindly" say, 'you are a liar' and clearly you cannot be part of their community. They have something to hide that they do not want exposed.
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:amen: You make me feel good about myself, thanks! (F) It's already exposed in a way, thanks to Dave's indifferent ethics! :think:



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i just noticed what Nvidiacookies (who we banned and also HardOCP banned as Xoleras) who is still shilling for AMD on ATF VC&G, had this to say
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Nvidia has blacklisted websites in the past for not following their review guides.

Untrue. And yet that shill doesn't mention that AMD has blacklisted web sites for simply telling the truth about their employees stealth postings.

Something about corporate ethics being lacking at AMD is obvious.

Nvidia did not care for BFG10K's articles about the GTX 470; they were very uncomplimentary. Yet they recognized their card's (DX9) weaknesses and even their marketing was adjusted. And we are still media partners with them.

We are going to continue to tell the truth. We are committed to it! Truth and integrity are not options at ABT.
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Does this Nvidiacookies also call himself/herself "blackened23"? Probably a bigger trouble maker than Will Robinson at ATVF at the moment.



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Yep. He shills the same on a lot of tech sites. Just like the Groove who buys NV hardware for the sole purpose of finding issues with it or with Nvidia drivers.


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