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Keysplayr
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:12 pm |
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:58 am Posts: 528 Location: New York
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apoppin wrote: Yep. He shills the same on a lot of tech sites. Just like the Groove who buys NV hardware for the sole purpose of finding issues with it or with Nvidia drivers. Hmmmmm... Not a bad idea.... :::: browses newegg for a couple of 7970s..... :::: Muhananaahahaaahaaa.... 
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:21 pm |
Joined: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:26 am Posts: 19712 Location: 404 - Not Found!
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Keysplayr wrote: apoppin wrote: Yep. He shills the same on a lot of tech sites. Just like the Groove who buys NV hardware for the sole purpose of finding issues with it or with Nvidia drivers. Hmmmmm... Not a bad idea.... :::: browses newegg for a couple of 7970s..... :::: Muhananaahahaaahaaa....  Good luck finding any for $550. Dave put up the money and we are trying to find a (cheaper/reference) HD 7970. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... 0hd%207970Another rushed launch with almost no supply. No, this is not going to hurt Nvidia a bit by being "late" 
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Ocre
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:56 pm |
Joined: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:22 am Posts: 2130
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ABT is an Nvidia shill site!!!!!!!! propagandist
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:02 pm |
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am Posts: 4978
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http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... tcount=322Will Robinson Will Robinson wrote: Actually I think the HD7990 will do nicely...it's going to flatten Kepler like a steamroller hitting a small puppy  X98 X98 wrote: Actually I think the HD7990 will do nicely...it's going to flatten Kepler like a steamroller hitting a small puppy  Then Elfear (a FanATIc) and blackened23 (another FanATIc) jump all over X98, saying nothing about what Will Robinson wrote. Blackened just edited his post (before I could quote it), but the gist was that X98 is typical of fanboys from certain places, and that other fanboys act differently. The mods can see your edits Blackened23 and I hope you get perma-banned.
_________________ This is such total Horse-S**t! "At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:24 pm |
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am Posts: 4978
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All the posts just went missing, including x98's, so I doubt the members themselves deleted them. I'm wondering why no comments or issuing of vacations if it was mods though. Perhaps one mod likes AMD and is trying to limit damage with some "under the carpet" cleaning up?
_________________ This is such total Horse-S**t! "At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:49 pm |
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am Posts: 4978
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never-mind the above, looked in the wrong thread. Too busy to properly track things. Definitely needs Idontcare or VirGe to stomp on some of the more obnoxious posters though.
_________________ This is such total Horse-S**t! "At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:13 am |
Joined: Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:19 am Posts: 4978
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apoppin wrote: i just noticed what Nvidiacookies (who we banned and also HardOCP banned as Xoleras) who is still shilling for AMD on ATF VC&G, had this to say Quote: Nvidia has blacklisted websites in the past for not following their review guides. Untrue. And yet that shill doesn't mention that AMD has blacklisted web sites for simply telling the truth about their employees stealth postings. Something about corporate ethics being lacking at AMD is obvious. Nvidia did not care for BFG10K's articles about the GTX 470; they were very uncomplimentary. Yet they recognized their card's (DX9) weaknesses and even their marketing was adjusted. And we are still media partners with them. We are going to continue to tell the truth. We are committed to it! Truth and integrity are not options at ABT.  http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... tcount=192BallaTheFeared wrote: blackened23 wrote: Nvidia has blacklisted websites in the past for not following their review guides. I'll try to dig up that info but it definitely happened during the GTX 480 days. I do remember hardware secrets was blacklisted for benchmarking something not on their approved list.
Now isn't this a wonderful company? I'm sure people will defend nvidia to the death but their marketing is shady, period. NV has certainly tried to "guide" reviewers to certain preferred games, this is why I usually like their products but hate the people behind the company. You can bet money that Hawx II will appear on every Kepler review on the web. Calling it now. http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/blog/NVI ... ecrets/174Gabriel Torres from Hardware Secrets wrote: NVIDIA breaks up with Hardware Secrets (Problem Solved!) Author: Gabriel Torres Date: May 28, 2010 - 10:57 AM PST
Updated 06/02/2010: NVIDIA called me to talk about this situation. It seems that this was an internal mess-up rather than blacklisting. Basically I was listed in their system as being part of the Latin America region (as I am originally from Brazil and still run the largest website down there) and therefore NVIDIA USA was thinking that I was being handled by their Latin America team. At the same time, the Latin America team was not in touch with me since I live in the USA and thought I was being handled by NVIDIA USA. It seems that this glitch was fixed. As for GeForce GTX 465, they said that they didn't contact any media directly regarding this launch, they let this to their partners to do. So because I erroneously assumed that NVIDIA was providing the cards and giving support directly to other websites, I thought I was being left over. I must add that EVGA is providing a GeForce GTX 465 to us and NVIDIA provided us the necessary support on improving our test bed for DirectX 11 benchmarking. We should be posting a GeForce GTX 465 review very soon. I am keeping the original post below for historic reasons. I am also adding some clarifications made by NVIDIA below. I'd like to thank all of you for the support given and also to NVIDIA, that called us to fix this problem and told us that anytime we feel left over to call them for clarification. In the end everything seems like a big misunderstanding and lack of communication.
From time to time some manufacturer breaks the relationship they have with us. Usually this happens because we stand firm defending unbiased reviews and refuse to take down negative reviews and give the manufacturer the privilege of reading a review before it is posted.
This time we have NVIDIA blacklisting us. After we published a review – without any support from them, N.B. – they complained that we didn’t talk about CUDA or PhysX. I replied saying that we weren’t going to talk about these subjects because we thought they were not relevant to the average user, and we usually don’t re-write reviews. I think this is funny, we have to make a lot of effort to get samples because NVIDIA doesn’t help us and then when we publish the review they complain? If they had given us any kind of support or talked to us clarifying why they think commenting these features would make any real sense to the average user we wouldn’t be so frustrated. But all the reasons they gave us were manufactured by their propaganda machine.
After this e-mail exchange they simply put us in their black list and thus we stopped being invited to their latest product presentations, we were dropped from the list of websites that get products before the release date and we stop getting any kind of support from them. Any e-mail I sent to NVIDIA asking for anything is completely ignored.
Updated 06/02/2010: According to NVIDIA they don't blacklist websites. As explained, they thought I was being handled by another team when I was not.
They must think that we are a small entity, forgetting that I am also the editor-in-chief of Clube do Hardware, the largest website about computers in Brazil, with 20 million pageviews and 7.5 million visitors per month – yes, this website is bigger than most North-American reviewing websites (all reviews posted on Hardware Secrets are also posted on Clube do Hardware).
I am posting this to explain why we didn’t cover the Fermi architecture launch (we weren’t invited for the presentation) nor reviewed any of their DirectX 11 video cards (they didn’t send any samples even after we requested samples a few times). This also explains why we are reviewing more AMD/ATI-based products and why our video section is kind of slow.
Updated 06/02/2010: According to NVIDIA the Fermi presentation was "for selected media only". They didn't explain how one gets into that list.
Curiously from what I read on other websites, it seems that AMD/ATI was able to regain a lot of market share because it seems Fermi architecture didn’t live up to the expectations.
So apparently NVIDIA’s philosophy is “is you don’t say what we want you to say, we won’t support you anymore”. It is amazing how some manufacturers try to control what the media publish about them and try to brainwash journalists. Unfortunately there are some publications that accept this sort of thing. We will always be on the side of unbiased journalism. If a manufacturer restricts us from what we can or cannot talk, we prefer not to work with this manufacturer anymore. The press must be free.
Updated 06/02/2010: Once again, NVIDIA says they don't blacklist media. The above paragraph was written on the assumption that we were being blacklisted.
This Monday NVIDIA will announce GeForce GTX 465. Since I didn’t sign any NDA and since I am not getting any kind of support anyway, here are the basic specs: 352 processors, 44 texture units, 607 MHz core clock, 1,215 MHz shader clock and 802 MHz (2,206 MHz QDR) memory clock. The card will have 1 GB GDDR5 memory with a 256-bit interface.
Obviously we won’t publish a review of this card on the launch date, since NVIDIA blacklisted us.
Updated 06/02/2010: We got a GeForce GTX 465 from EVGA and should be posting its review shortly.
So if you have any complaints on why we haven’t reviewed video card “A” or “B” from NVIDIA, please complain with NVIDIA and not with us.
Updated 06/02/2010: We sort things out with NVIDIA and we hope everything will run smoothly between us from now on.
_________________ This is such total Horse-S**t! "At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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BoFox
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:38 am |
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 3:46 pm Posts: 3857 Location: Earth
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Cool, it was clearly stated 2 times that NV does NOT blacklist sites. I thought they did with that hugely popular Latin American site, but it was only a glitch.. Alrite, so that's another plus for NV!  Kyle can continue to bash NV all he wants, but it's starting to look like a split personality (occasionally bashing NV in some reviews, and not in others just to try to appear "credible"- confusing the [H] readers). 
_________________ What is this thing right now? Put your arms up on one side of the horizon, put them up into the sky and twist them across, meeting unto the other side of the horizon. That is a sign symbol of life. Face the goodness in life.
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BoFox
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:46 am |
Joined: Mon May 10, 2010 3:46 pm Posts: 3857 Location: Earth
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apoppin wrote: Let's look at what Dave Bauman said and i assume it is an official response from AMD as he is a spokesman for them: Quote: A published transistor number is really a marketing number i guess we are to take from his words that AMD's marketing numbers = BS. Untrustworthy. A tool used for deception especially in this case. There was clearly no mistake made with the numbers. That is impossible - or else they are completely incompetent. A published false number is a misleading number - period. A lie is a lie and no one can defend the indefensible without their own ethics being called into question. Let's look at what Bauman said next about AMD's "marketing number" in this case": Quote: it has no practical use Then why do their marketers use it at all? In contrast to his weak attempt at spin, we see transistor count being *featured* for every CPU, APU and GPU in every one of their press decks and in their specs. The problem is, Bo_Fox, you were able to see through their Bullsh!t and pointed it out. There is no way to "kindly" say, 'you are a liar' and clearly you cannot be part of their community. They have something to hide that they do not want exposed.  So, the question is (using Baumann's words): If the "reported transistor number" is just a "marketing number" and nothing else ("having no practical use"), then what about the reported number of shader processor units on Barts - is it also just a marketing number (with there really being 1280 shaders instead of 1120)? Even though I was wrong about it being VLIW4  , I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's really 1280sp, since it's actually more efficient overall than VLIW4 Cayman, specs-wise. *knock and ye shall find*.. *keep on knocking***... **keep on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*** 
_________________ What is this thing right now? Put your arms up on one side of the horizon, put them up into the sky and twist them across, meeting unto the other side of the horizon. That is a sign symbol of life. Face the goodness in life.
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nesco1801
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Post subject: Re: AMD's role in Stealth Viral Marketing - Q&A  Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 6:52 pm |
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