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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670  Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:50 am |
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i totally see your point. The counter-point is that viewing angles are not critical for gaming unless you have a Kinnect attached to your PC and are jumping all over, and colors also don't matter much for gaming. Many devs choose to exaggerate colors.
Now if you are working as a professional designer, you need an appropriate display and TN doesn't cut it. If you are a professional gamer, you will need a 120Hz display and IPS is too slow.
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:53 am |
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apoppin wrote: SirPauly wrote: Oh my, can't drop to 59 frames -- absolutely need that 60. That's absolutely true, if you use VSynch (excepting Adaptive VSync)  Each gamer has a different set of criteria. Some need the perfect IQ and spend a couple of thousand dollars on a relatively slow IPS panel; others must have 60fps as a minimum and need a super-fast 120Hz TN panel. Most gamers fall in-between; and i would say that very few have experienced gaming across a wide range of displays. And it is also somewhat game engine dependent. With Crysis and Metro 2033, their game engines seems to render sufficiently fluid visuals OK even down into the upper 20s for framerates and it is tolerable. I agree, each individual may have different subjective tastes and tolerances and why blanket and sweeping views have no logic to me.
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:08 am |
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apoppin wrote: i totally see your point. The counter-point is that viewing angles are not critical for gaming unless you have a Kinnect attached to your PC and are jumping all over, and colors also don't matter much for gaming. Many devs choose to exaggerate colors.
Now if you are working as a professional designer, you need an appropriate display and TN doesn't cut it. If you are a professional gamer, you will need a 120Hz display and IPS is too slow. IPS is much more pleasant for anyone watching while you play though, viewing angle matters there. Not a big thing but still, I often have friends around while gaming.
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:24 am |
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i hate people watching me play  Neither you nor i are "correct". Nor are we wrong. There is no universal answer, 'one fits all'; that is the only certainty --C'est la vie 
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:33 pm |
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I've been hard at work benching (still not finished yet though), and decided to share progress so far. Makes for very interesting reading, the behaviour of Kepler on an AMD system is quite bizarre at times, take particular note of the 2560x1600 scores vs 1920x1200 in quite a few of the benches. Yes, I've double and triple checked all my work, and I haven't mixed resolutions up and anything silly like that, this is what has taken so long (apart from the fact that this much benching really does eat up time) and has been doing my head in trying to make sense of it all.  I'm off to bed now, my head hurts for some reason!
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"At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang
Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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SirPauly
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:54 pm |
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Thanks for sharing! 
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jaydip
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:46 pm |
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Greg it seems that 940 is bottle necking the 670 sli
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apoppin
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:02 pm |
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The Tech Report now does benching that shows that both Phenom II and Bulldozer really bottleneck modern cards. You better have an overclock well in excess of 4GHz to stay relevant. -- want proof? AMD's *own* benches use an Intel CPU to show off HD 7970 
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grstanford
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:48 pm |
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Yeah, I kind of figured that. I don't think my Phenom II 940 is going to hit 4 gig though. It gets stressed out enough doing 3.4 to match the 965.
Good info for an upgrader though. Shows they need to update their CPU.
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This is such total Horse-S**t!
"At NVIDIA we know that all shredders are green." --Jensen Huang
Adam knew he should have bought a PC, but Eve fell for the marketing hype.
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SickBeast
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Post subject: Re: SLI - GTX 460 vs GTX 670 Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:57 pm |
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I take back what I said. These are great benchmarks.
I'm really surprised that AMD can't develop a killer gaming CPU. That should be their focus right now, or at least part of it. It would really compliment their GPUs. I would go all AMD with my rig if I could.
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