How?

What is fused off for Quadro and Tesla are not used for gaming

There is fixed function logic on the die that accelerates parts of OpenGL, and also other logic that provides the capability for some professional level OpenGl features.

nvidia always used to fuse off or BIOS mask out the pro features, but left the rest alone. My best guess is that at some point after g80 all OpenGL accelerating logic was placed into one functional block on the die whereas before it occupied several different areas. nvidia fuses off the entire block for consumer GeForce GPU's and OpenGL performance suffers as a result.

best guess?

there is cases where the gtx80 doest better than the 7970 and cases where it does not. i think you made your mind up on something you have no real knowledge of. Not saying its true or false, just wanting to see some real proof of this if you can show us

n/m

This one is not Stealth anything .. it is just funny
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.ph ... stcount=67


i didn't realize that it was a popular saying
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... on%20chess


PS: in the above match, the pigeon won. The moral of the story is to never play chess (or debate anyone) unless it is your pigeon


As to VC&G there is no change. Certain ones have decided to take a low public profile while the FUD beat goes on. Someone here mentioned that there is no more "selling" AMD when someone asks for advice on an Nvidia card
-- au contraire
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2256300

Oh well, it *seemed* to be quietening down over there. Wishful thinking/too good to be true I guess.

And the Pidgeon Chess quote is hilarious! Though I suspect roosters would be even better for this purpose!

This interesting and worth reading all the way through; i just quoted a bit of it
http://ask-leo.com/why_you_should_never ... _mine.html

it covers "who to trust" and why on the Internet. However, it requires discernment and not everyone can tell who has an agenda and who does not

I don't even really post at AnandTech any more so all the viral nonsense doesn't really affect me or bother me any more.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it were still happening on both sides.

Ok, rather than making a new thread on this since this is a relevant thread that needs ongoing attention anyways, here is what I feel regarding the entire forum madness issue that has been plaguing some of the biggest tech discussion forums out there, after a number of years of participation and debate on such forums....:

While I was a proud owner of both high-end Geforce and Radeon cards on my two rigs, with one always having a Geforce and the other a Radeon in it, I was being called a Nvidia fanboy by prominent members of the community simply because I wanted ATI/AMD to use 512-bit bus on their Cypress HD 5870 cards like they did on their HD 2900XT cards. It was nearly impossible for the majority of forum members to discuss with me in a level-headed manner about how the bandwidth alone enabled HD 4890 to perform 19% faster than identically spec'ed HD 5770 with 128-bit bus, despite the new 5xxx optimizations that could account for 2-3% overall increase. And the moderators were all against me. At the same time, I was a proud owner of a HD 4870 1GB, which was faster than my 8800GTX in the other rig, having sold my 2nd 8800GTX to upgrade to that HD 4870, so I was no fanboy by any means.

Meanwhile, it was also a seemingly impossible task to get the point across the forums concerning the "Brilinear" / "Trylinear" issue that plagued anything over 2x AF on Radeon 5xxx cards and newer. [H] Forums was actually a decent place, with 95% of the members voting on my side for a petition to request AMD to give us an option that disables all AF bilinear optimizations... until Kyle, who himself admitted that he worked very closely with AMD Graphics board of directors, outright perma-banned me simply for challenging him upon the issue after he locked my own voting poll thread. It was a huge letdown after being eaten alive by the forum posters over at Techpowerup who just could not stop the threadcrapping nonsense that impeded any kind of level-headed discussion from taking place.

The AMD madness really got out of hand with the HD 5xxx series. Many of the 5870 and 5850 owners probably hated how I made them feel anything negative about their brand-spanking new cards.

Perhaps I should have frequently reaffirmed the fact that HD 5870 was actually a decent 40nm DX11 card at its time, being a "nice" 65% faster than HD 4890 while not being any more power-hungry or noisy. However, I did not see the need to placate their wounded egos at the time when they were being so offended by what I was pointing out about their objects of admiration. Little did I understand that organized AMD shilling practices were quickly on the rise, being established across several key forums.

I have never ever experienced such organized Nvidia fanboy-organized trolling/shilling attacks in contrast to those AMD-organized attacks that took place, that it was just baffling to me at the time. I just couldn't figure it out why the AMD madness was way off the charts. Heck, I was the proud owner of the beastly X1900XTX since the first day it was launched, yet I have never witnessed such insane MAD AMD madness going on, while I was more of an ATI fanboy at the time. Sure, there were some crazy Nvidia fanboys who were nuts about their FX 5800 Ultra, 5950 Ultra, 6600GT, 7800GTX, etc.. but the truly outrageous ones were few and far between. They were in no way organized, and it was easy-as-cake to debate the shortcomings of the dustbuster 5800 Ultra, the 5900 cards still performing poorly in some key DX9 games like Far Cry and Half Life, the 7800 series having horrible texture crawling at "brilinear" stages of mipmap transition, the 6800 Ultra being louder and more power-hungry than X800XT, how X1xxx series High Quality AF exceeded 7800's horrible angle-dependent flower AF, etc.. etc.. Discussing all of this on any of the large forums was no problem among the community and the moderators at large.

I just felt betrayed by all of this forum one-sidedness that just seemed a bit too extreme even if the HD 5xxx series were the fastest new cards and supporting DX11. This fanaticism continued throughout the GTX 400 generation as they clamored that it was too hot, too late, and so on.

Mark Poppin here did me a huge favor personally by simply pointing out the cause of the entire dilemma that was a puzzling mystery to me all this time. He explained it in such detail, with clarity, that was perfectly understandable. I felt so relieved to actually understand the entire situation that caused this, that is perpetuating this forum madness across the internet. For me, ignorance definitely was NOT bliss - it was the understanding that was bliss, so thank you Mark Poppin for clearing this up for me, so that it added up perfectly and I was no longer left wondering "why, why was I such a victim of this scenario.. why this crap all over me being in such a crappy place, WHY, WHY??????" Ahh, so it was not just me, but THEM!!!

Anyway, the HD 6xxx series had nowhere the flair that the HD 5xxx series had with their early start, but then when the 7xxx series came early yet again, the madness was just as evident once again, especially around the launch of the Fermi series.

Don't get me wrong - I really do appreciate how AMD has been competing against Nvidia so hard at this incredible level of GPU prowess. The Radeon cards since the HD 4800 (R700) series have had an amazing double precision capacity. The Radeon cards continue to destory Geforce cards when it comes to raw GFLOPS output, which is outstanding given that the Bulldozer CPUs have no chance at beating Intel's CPUs in anything meaningful. This is amazing effort put forth by AMD Graphics, as they continued this momentum that ATI first set forth with the 8500 and then ultimately the 9700 Pro series. We all need this kind of competition, as it is we who benefit the most from this intense battle. It would be very unfortunate if they turned out the same as the CPU department that is about to raise the white flag, while Intel has already been taking it rather easy for the past 3 years.

However, the serious issue here is that the forum madness going on with organized stealth attacks by the AMD fanatics/shills will have its long-reaching consequences on undermining the free-willed spirit when it comes to choosing between Radeon and Geforce cards, in driving many forum readers *AWAY* from such an annoyingly dogmatic pro-AMD movement. It's like hearing a commercial on the TV that has such an annoying pitch that is yelling at 200% of the normal volume, which feels almost deafening, so the viewer's most likely action is to scramble in the couch looking for the remote control to press that mute button so hard that the button comes off the remote by accident. The main thing that is being felt by the recipient is therefore resentment towards the unethical/unfair/unjust marketer who couldn't just do it at normal volume. More often than not, the listener then decides to refuse to buy that product for much longer than the company would have imagined, because of the time wasted for fixing that mute button, or of the time wasted on reading or participating in thread-crapped forum discussions. Human consequences are real, and can be much more grave than imagined if pushed far enough.

I do not want this to happen because the CPU downfall of AMD's Bulldozer architecture department is already hurting the company bad enough. It is commendable how the graphics department has managed to give Nvidia some good competition up to this point today, but AMD really needs to stop making poor judgments and bad decisions lest the entire company goes under while Nvidia slacks off just like Intel is now. Intel's CPUs have hardly progressed from the Nehalem generation in 2009, across this curve that literally looks like a plateau compared to the progression that Intel made 3 years earlier. Would we like to see the same thing happen to GPUs?

This AMD madness across such forums should return to the pre-HD 5800 days (before large-scale shilling practices went underway). During the HD 2900XT days (right when AMD has recently acquired ATI), most of the forums were a much more sane place for the readers and participants alike - of course there were fanboys like usual, but it was far easier to discuss the shortcomings of Radeon cards than it is today. Now, it is actually difficult to discuss ANY ONE of the positive things about Geforce cards - even seemingly impossible on several large tech forums without being attacked and labeled an Nvidiot.

Bitcoin mining could actually be what saves the face of Radeon GPUs, owing to high FLOPS advantage, but I (nor anybody here) cannot be 100% certain about that yet though as the profitability of bitcoin mining still seems dubious at this point, and even more dubious in the future due to the diminishing yields that outweigh the speed increase in future GPUs. So, with bitcoins out of the question, AMD's covert Edelman-masked shilling practices are only cheating a number of customers until the customers themselves realize the truth and then turn in another direction. AMD does not have the marketing resources to keep them brainwashed like Geico can with their "nifty" TV commercials - they are only yelling loudly and obnoxiously on the forums like a bum car dealer running the same TV commercial over and over again spouting the most annoying lies that the brand new KIA car is the most reliable car ever made, etc.. at twice the normal volume while trying not to be TOO loud or obnoxious, yet even more obnoxious that way!

The bottom line is that here, we really do want AMD to succeed in technology, and are only trying to warn AMD against their unethical Edelman-masked forum shilling practices that could have disastrous consequences for themselves and then for all of us as tech progress is then hampered due to lack of competition. Many of us would love to support AMD by saying positive things about their Radeon cards, but it's so hard to support AMD when many of the big tech-discussion forums are being overwhelmed by unethical organized attacks that turn all of the discussions into completely lop-sided slanted half-truths. We're all emotional beings - the human emotion should be approached in a pleasing manner that is perceived to be truthful rather than in a dishonest, dishonorable, and disgusting manner. AMD, let there be "natural" fanboys once again, doing the battle for you, which would actually prove to be more effective than organized shilling because the truth does sound better. It simply has a better tune that draws in more people for the long haul - for anybody who appreciates good things. The X1900XTX worked its magic just fine without massive organized shill attacks - and the HD 7970 would have fared just as well, or better during the beginning of 2012 since the "natural" fanboys are just more powerful in their say.

These forums can just wallow in their mess for the time being, at their own demise. These moderators are just enjoying reading the mischievous-schemed PM's going on between the shills - it makes their jobs a lot less boring - and they don't care if the forum goes down because the pay sucks anyways. Mark my words.