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 Post subject: nVidia answers back! GTX 680 "classified"!!!
PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 3:58 pm 
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6096/evga-geforce-gtx-680-classified-review

This is a really good fight at the high end of the GPU market. It reminds me of the X800XT days.

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Hmm upon further reading it appears as though this card is a bit of a disappointment. The voltage adjustment didn't really result in any significant overclocking gains. Too bad. It is nice to see such a fight at the high end, though. I wonder what AMD will do now.

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 Post subject: Re: nVidia answers back! GTX 680 "classified"!!!
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It becomes awfully expensive if you want voltage control nor does the extra voltage seem to do that much for performance without putting its power requirements through the roof.

And it still isn't the fastest GTX 680 is it; isn't MSI's Lightning clocked higher?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:45 pm 
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maybe. i heard it overclocks better even without the voltage. perhaps anandtech got a dud card. i have heard that kepler responds well to voltage; certainly better than this card.


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i doubt that EVGA sent AT a dud :P


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well then the cooling is weak and cant handle the voltage and heat.


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Did you read the review?

The cooling is great for a blower. Quiet and efficient.


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i'm just saying, there has to be a reason why this card sucks. i dont believe in good blowers. they all suck. and i did not read the entire review. just exerpts like i always do unless the product truly intersts me.


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SickBeast wrote:
i'm just saying, there has to be a reason why this card sucks. i dont believe in good blowers. they all suck. and i did not read the entire review. just exerpts like i always do unless the product truly intersts me.

Well, the main reason is that the memory did not overclock well; nor is the card overclocked on the memory past reference settings which to me is ridiculous.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6096/evga ... d-review/8
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Meanwhile on the memory front we were only able to push the memory a further 400MHz to 6.4GHz. This is noticeably less than what we’ve been able to push reference-based GTX 670/680 cards (which have reached nearly 7GHz), and it’s not immediately clear why we’re seeing this difference. With both a custom PCB and additional memory chips it’s possible that either one could be holding back memory overclocking, or more likely it’s a combination of the two. Regardless of the reason this does put the GTX 680 Classified in a bit of a bind, since the GTX 680 is no stranger to memory bandwidth starvation.



Even my GTX 680 gets +600MHz on the memory and my GTX 690 gets +550MHz
.... +400Mhz is pretty low for a halo card
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:29 pm 
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This is not nvidia answering back. This is EVGA attempting to stand out from other vender competitors. As for the 7970ghz edition, I dont expect to much from nvidia so soon. First impressions are long lasting and the high opinion of the 680 is set. Nvidia is in a great position to make a lot of cash and profit where AMD cannot threaten it. If a price war broke out, nvidia has the upper hand. We dont even know how well the new ghz AMD card will perform in the market. if you see nvidia prices drop then you know AMD is doing well. Its always a good indicator. Nvidia can compete no problem even if they have to lower prices. The gk104 is a huge massive success on every front so far. They are soon to release the 660. If things continue like they have it will be another knock out. Riding on success, Nvidia will quietly prep an attack for the holidays. Strategy is important and a new faster card for Q3 makes little sense. Its typically a slow quarter for them. Why waste resources now when you can really end the year in a bang creating hype and excitement to carry on to the next year.

As for the article.......
this review just makes the card very very unappealing. Could it be that doubling the RAM hurts the clocks? People really have misconceptions about how RAM works, increasing the bandwidth for overclocked 680s is much more responsive than doubling the RAM amount especially since the ram is limited to a 256bit bus. It would be a very different story if the doubled Ram also doubled the bus to 512. This would remove all bandwidth constraints totally. But just doubling the ram in the same constricted bandwidth will not help much of any. With the gtx680 your core overclocks must be complemented with memory if you want to have the most gains. Ideally it would be beast to keep the ratio as close to the same as possible. Ram speed to clock speed is about 6 to 1. 6000mhz Ram to 1000mhz core clock. So this would mean every 100mhz overclock you need 600mhz memory to stay true to the ratio. Once the overclocks start breaking that ratio, your bandwidth constraints kick in limiting the results. This classified review is an example of just that. Its like wow!!!!

I found a few tings in the article interestingly shocking....

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With the GeForce 600 series things have become a bit harder for NVIDIA’s partners. As we briefly mentioned before, NVIDIA is shying away from hardcore overclocking with the GeForce 600 series. Specifically, there are two things going on:

Partners wishing to have a card with a TDP over 195W (i.e. a base power target 170W) must use a custom board with suitable power circuitry. NVIDIA won’t allow partners to ship higher-power cards using the reference board.
Software overvoltage control is forbidden.

These rules impact two classes of cards. The first are heavily factory overclocked cards using the reference PCB, which goosed the GPU voltage to hit their high factory overclocks. Partners that wish to ship heavily overclocked cards will now need to bin to stay within NVIDIA’s power requirements. Meanwhile the second class of cards impacted is of course overclocking-focused cards like the GTX 680 Classified. Voltage control becomes necessary beyond a certain point, and since NVIDIA is requiring custom PCBs and disallowing software voltage control EVGA had to get creative.
Read more at http://www.anandtech.com/show/6096/evga ... L7dY0Az.99


does this mean the MSI lightnings will not get the over-volting after all? its really concerning. What is up with this? There could be something up with this, and it could be big. idk, maybe it is EVGA hogwash. We really need to investigate this.

Apoppin, wonder if you could get with someone from nvidia to see if there is any truth to this and what is going on. Perhaps its just EVGA trying to sell more hardware. But its smelling like something went down.


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 Post subject: Re: nVidia answers back! GTX 680 "classified"!!!
PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:10 pm 
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The last i heard was that Unwinder was able to get the MSI Lightning to work with voltage control.

i don't see how AnandTech could publish something very wrong about Nvidia without getting a comment from them
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