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  Crazy stuff at ATF
Posted by: SickBeast - 04-06-2017, 08:03 AM - Forum: Off Topic - Replies (9)

I just decided to drop by the ATF video forum after a *long* absence, and this was one of the first things I saw:


Quote:This is a troll thread. The title makes it even more so. We have had multiple people report this thread. IT is spawning other types of posts and threads and you folks are getting out of control.

I don't know if I have made it clear to all, I know I have made it clear to some of the serial reported post abusers in PMs to them. VC&G accounts for over 60% OF ALL reported posts .
That's one subforum out of 36. Let me repeat that. One subforum, (3%) out of the other 35 subforums (97%) is reporting +60 of ALL the reported posts.

You clearly have have not taken my announcement to heart, that has been up since the first of May. I renewed it in June and progress was not being made to the announcement was extended. We have and still continue to remove members from VC&G who are creating a hostile posting forum here. More of you have been removed today. You will be getting PMs from me regarding what you need to do to be reinstated.

Do not report a post because it conflicts with the company you support. Do not waste our time. Now if you are a member who is posting just to shake up this forum, you will be removed.
If you are not posting to the topic and are just here to troll, you will be infracted and removed.

Do not call people who disagree with you, shills. Do not call ANYONE a shill.
If a member does so, it will be grounds for removal from VC&G for 30 days.

I am not sure how to make this anymore clear. I am picking this thread to sticky so the members will read my edit.

Anandtech Forum Director

Unbelievable! It looks like the place has gone completely haywire. And you basically get *banned* if you call anyone a shill! So they are allowed to shill but you're not allowed to point it out. Nice. They will reap what they sow.

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  Kaby Lake-G?
Posted by: SteelCrysis - 04-04-2017, 01:56 AM - Forum: General Hardware - No Replies


Quote:Rumors have been making the rounds about an as-of-yet unannounced product from Intel: a Kaby Lake-G series which would mark Intel's return foray to a multi-chip module in a singular package. The company has already played with such a design before with its Clarkdale family of processors - which married a 32 nm CPU as well as a 45 nm GPU and memory controller in a single package. Kaby Lake-G will reportedly make away with its simple, low-data rate implementation and communication between two parts, instead carrying itself on the shoulders of Intel's EMIB (Embedded Multi-die Interconnect Bridge), which the company claims is a "more elegant interconnect for a more civilized age."

Instead of using a large silicon interposer typically found in other 2.5D approaches (like AMD did whilst marrying its Fiji dies with HBM memory), EMIB uses a very small bridge die, with multiple routing layers, which provide a good measure of price/data paths for the interconnected, heterogeneous architecture. This saves on the costly TSV (Through-Silicon Vias) that dot the interposer approach.

For now, rumors peg these Kaby Lake-G as special BGA processors based on Kaby Lake, with an additional discrete GPU on the package. The TDP of these processors (at 65 W and 100 W) is well above the Kaby Lake-H's known 45 Watts. Which begs the question: what exactly is under the hood? This, including Intel's modular approach to chip design for which it developed its EMIB technology, could probably account for the AMD graphic's chip TDP - a discrete-level GPU which would be integrated on-die, EMIB's routing layers handling the data exchange between GPU and processor. This is where HBM 2 memory integration would also come in, naturally - a way to keep a considerable amount of high-speed memory inside the package, accessible by the silicon slices that would need to. Nothing in the leaked information seems to point towards this HBM 2 integration, however.

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  Sick Beast trolls Reddit
Posted by: RolloTheGreat - 04-03-2017, 05:28 AM - Forum: Off Topic - Replies (3)

Apparently already banned at least once, internet good guy Sick Beast (AKA Sickest Beard) trolls AMD fans by posting they blacklist legit review sites.


Sick Beard's master tells him he'll need to make a new account to shill and troll:


TrollPoppin Wrote:36 negative comments in an hour and growing fast.

You will probably have to make a new account at reddit.

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  What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800?
Posted by: RolloTheGreat - 04-02-2017, 06:27 PM - Forum: Video - Replies (31)


Rollo Wrote:You can rest assured that when ATI someday figures out how to build it's second generation DX9 part, it will be better than it's predecessor too? ;-)

I've never said the nV3X line was better than the R300 line, because it's not.

What I've always said is that the difference in gaming, at playable settings is not great enough to warrant this ridiculous fanboy monkey spanking over a card that was marginally better.

You guys act like the 9700Pro was the R520 and 5800U was a S3 Virge.
Unlike 99.9999% of you, I had both and can tell you for the most part you couldn't tell the difference with the counter off, except for the tiny hairdryer whine of the FlowFX.

BTW- while you're right that 53 vs 45 at UT2003 is a 17% victory for the 9700Pro, most UT2003 players who like to survive would never play at either? Wink


Rollo Wrote:Why? Just to prove your point?

No, I just like to try out video cards, and this one is interesting.

And even if that is true, don't you care about future dx9 games?

Not much, if they ever come out I have two fall back plans: 1. My four year old doesn't really care what's in his box, so I could just get the 9800Pro back 2. If I need a card to run a game well, I'll buy it

Maybe today there aren't many dx9 games that make this difference as you say, but what about the next year?
Unless you plan to upgrade again with the new generation cards.This is another story.

If history is any teacher, whatever is in my box early this year won't be next year. I only tried 3 video cards in my main computer last year, a record low for me. (9700Pro/5800NU/9800Pro)

Here I straight out say I'm looking for the 5800U to try because I won't be using it long and I'll have a 9800Pro anyway, just wanted to try one. (and the guy I'm talking to says there aren't many DX9 games out now, go figure)


Rollo Wrote:Anyway these cards are so close to equal it's not worth the trade

There I am telling a guy to keep his 9500Pro over a FX5800.

Rollo Wrote:Anway, it wasn't a bad card, just not as good as the 9700.

Looks to me like there's only one liar in this thread, named Sick Beast. Still waiting for those quotes where I'm saying the FX5800 Ultra is a better card than the 9800 Pro or 9700 Pro.

Looks to me like I only said they aren't as bad as fanboys say they are.

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  94 year old inventor creates revolutionary new battery technology
Posted by: SickBeast - 04-02-2017, 08:16 AM - Forum: General Hardware - Replies (14)


Apparently this guy invented the lithium ion batteries that are used in pretty much everything today. He has come up with some kind of "glass" battery cell that has triple the capacity, more charge cycles, faster charging, and a wider operating temperature range. It looks fantastic. Hopefully they can bring it to market quickly. It says that this could be what makes electric cars become mainstream.

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  Salazar Studios Reads AMD Hate Comments
Posted by: SteelCrysis - 04-01-2017, 09:49 AM - Forum: General Hardware - No Replies

There's plenty of them, as you will not be surprised to discover.

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  Mad Catz Shutting Down
Posted by: SteelCrysis - 04-01-2017, 06:53 AM - Forum: General Hardware - Replies (2)

It's a shame. They had unique and great mice, through I never owned one of them.

Quote:Gaming peripheral company Mad Catz is finally closing after filing for bankruptcy. As of yesterday, March 30, the company shut down and is now selling off its assets. Polygon notes that the company filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy rather than Chapter 11, meaning that it does not intend to restructure and will liquidate its assets.

To anyone paying attention, this isn't a surprise. The company has been having trouble for some time, following a failed investment in game developer Harmonix's attempt to revive its Rock Band license. Mad Catz co-published the game with Harmonix, and designed and produced its plastic instruments. The company said it needed the game to succeed, and that never happened. That failure was followed by the company laying off over a third of its employees, and its CEO and chairman both resigning. This latest move is a result of its board of directors voting to cease operations.

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  Tech Report's Early April Fool's Day Joke
Posted by: SteelCrysis - 03-31-2017, 08:49 PM - Forum: General Hardware - Replies (1)

A funny read. Big Grin

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  Intel Talks About Processes
Posted by: SteelCrysis - 03-31-2017, 02:00 AM - Forum: General Hardware - No Replies


Quote:Taken together, the better-than-Moore's-Law density improvements Intel claims from its "hyper-scaling" techniques seem to point to another redefining of Moore's Law. Instead of considering its improvements using a rigid two-year cadence, the company suggests that the longer intervals between process nodes combined with the greater-than-2x-improvement in logic density per node should be viewed as averaging out to the expected improvement over time.

Fair enough, I suppose, presuming that Intel's future move to a seven-nanometer process can happen quickly enough and the scaling benefits such a move provides are great enough that the "hyper-scaling" trend continues to hold. In any case, the details Intel has shared about its 10-nm process have me excited for the potential of chips produced on that node. Furthermore, if the company's new MTr/mm² metric is accurate, the company will simply be able to pack far more transistors into a given logic area than its competitors' 10-nm-class processes will.

That said, Intel doesn't seem to be ready to introduce any 10-nm products any time before sometime in 2018 at the earliest. That release window coincides with TSMC's plans to begin producing 7-nm-class products, which could be more competitive on the density metric that Intel is touting. Without setting up electron microscopes and some kind of X-ray tomography system in the TR labs, we can't verify any of these claims independently, but we look forward to the performance and power-saving advancements these new production techniques herald when they do finally yield production silicon.

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  Calyos NSG 50 Fanless Case
Posted by: SteelCrysis - 03-31-2017, 01:34 AM - Forum: General Hardware - No Replies

Quite impressive. I don't think any full tower fanless case has been made since that Zalman case years ago.

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