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RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-17-2015
At least you didn't get a warning for no good reason like the first time.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:17 PM)SickBeast Wrote: I have been moderated. :(Was something deleted or changed?
Twice.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:34 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:(08-17-2015, 10:17 PM)SickBeast Wrote: I have been moderated. :(Was something deleted or changed?
Twice.
My thread title was changed.
Look, I feel that there is free speech at ABT, I was making a point that gstanford should not have given me a warning.
I would have edited the title had you guys asked me to but now it was done without my consent. So for me, really, I have been moderated twice here over the past few days.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:38 PM)SickBeast Wrote:In the wake of stanford's abuse, I can understand why you're unhappy. But at least you didn't end up banned for sticking to your guns unless you could be shown that you were wrong, like I got banned from BTR.(08-17-2015, 10:34 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:(08-17-2015, 10:17 PM)SickBeast Wrote: I have been moderated. :(Was something deleted or changed?
Twice.
My thread title was changed.
Look, I feel that there is free speech at ABT, I was making a point that gstanford should not have given me a warning.
I would have edited the title had you guys asked me to but now it was done without my consent. So for me, really, I have been moderated twice here over the past few days.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:38 PM)SickBeast Wrote:I changed the thread Title because it is not true. Free speech is certainly allowed.(08-17-2015, 10:34 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:(08-17-2015, 10:17 PM)SickBeast Wrote: I have been moderated. :(Was something deleted or changed?
Twice.
My thread title was changed.
Look, I feel that there is free speech at ABT, I was making a point that gstanford should not have given me a warning.
I would have edited the title had you guys asked me to but now it was done without my consent. So for me, really, I have been moderated twice here over the past few days.
I disabled the warning system. It was on by default.
Let me know if he changes or deletes anything.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:41 PM)gstanford Wrote: Warnings have no consequences. Not the same as moderation. The point was to wake you up and stop the bad behaviour (which started in earnest once BoFox came back here).The bad behavior consisted of defending BoFox's non-off-topic pictures. Pictures are highly flexible, and as such are not off topic, as being off topic requires specific, rigid deviation.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-17-2015
We're not on dialup anymore, those images don't mean anything, even to most data caps. Again, images are flexible, and as such are not off topic.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
Come on man! BoFox's pictures are hilarious! Come on and live a little! Lighten up and enjoy life. Holy cow.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
I disagree.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-17-2015
I don't see stanford's problem, but have no objection to spoiler tags being introduced.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:53 PM)gstanford Wrote: Dave, what we need is spoiler tags and a requirement that potentially offensive images be spoiler-ed.
Off topic already has a warning posted.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 11:36 PM)dmcowen674 Wrote:(08-17-2015, 10:53 PM)gstanford Wrote: Dave, what we need is spoiler tags and a requirement that potentially offensive images be spoiler-ed.
Off topic already has a warning posted.
BoFox's images were not offensive! gstanford is very easily offended!
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 11:46 PM)SickBeast Wrote: BoFox's images were not offensive! gstanford is very easily offended!Agreed.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:59 PM)gstanford Wrote: It's not hilarious when you can't properly read a thread due to giant, retarded off-topic images.
I can and do deal with them using adblock plus, but I shouldn't have to and neither should anyone else. They shouldn't be posted, or if they are they should be spoiler-ed so those who think they are amusing can see them without annoying everyone else.
None of the images were over 1024 pixels wide, really. I don't even see it being a problem for laptop users stuck at 1366x768 resolution. You must be living in the dark ages, using something like 960x600 as your desktop resolution.
Gstan, quit lying through your teeth! Your sig should be limited to 2 lines, at the most. That video of the Nvidia truck passing by the AMD car, displayed in your sig in the old forum, was blocked by me using adblock.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-18-2015
BoFox I got your back on this, don't worry.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-18-2015
As do I.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-18-2015
Thanks, SB and SC - I appreciate it. gStan can go and act like Stalin, perhaps in Stalingrad, but not here where we're all gonna take turns giving him that butt spanking!
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - ocre - 08-18-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:37 AM)gstanford Wrote:(08-17-2015, 10:04 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Then what about this:
(08-15-2015, 07:52 AM)gstanford Wrote: I think I will simply logout and let this sad little forum die after the last part of the video uploads.
Let the trolls and morons argue amongst themselves. Apoppin had the right idea.
What about it?! Did you not notice the first two words of what you quoted?
I can leave if you'd like -- see how long the forum lasts without me posting here.
I would prefer you stick around. And that has nothing to do with the spam work you do. Don't get me wrong, I am extremely grateful for your dedication there.
I just think it is awesome to have different views. You have very strong beliefs and seldom waver. Others here have strong views that contrast.
Guys, i know it may be hard to get along with conflicting views sometimes but I think it is great that we are managing as well as we are. The different views and ideas give this place color. There aren't many of us but I think we all are so different that it keeps the place interesting.
Everyone, just try not to get so heated of things. Gstanford, I sure don't want you to get mad and leave over some real petty stuff. Let's just agree to disagree, we are really polarized on many things. But we do have common ground as well. We have proven we can mix such extremes, let's just not let it get toxic.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-18-2015
(08-17-2015, 07:51 AM)gstanford Wrote: Yet I don't need to degree to point out your ignorance. Funny that.
Degrees are nothing but pretty pieces of paper that you buy for yourself (the college/Uni fees) and certainly don't reflect an individuals intelligence. Especially not in Rollo's case.........
You can't "buy" a degree, and that is why they have value to employers. A degree is evidence you can complete long complex projects, have learned a baseline level of knowledge in language, social sciences, math, science, plus more focused study in your discipline of choice.
Anyone who completes any 4 year degree at an accredited college has more knowledge of these areas of study than anyone who does not.
You can keep yelling about how it's meaningless all you want, but the world of employers disagrees with you, and that is all that matters.
How about trying to post some evidence employers are requiring less education these days, or that people without degrees earn more on average?
Won't hold my breath waiting for some actual evidence from a reliable source, feel free to keep posting "That book learnin' don't mean nothin'!".
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-18-2015
http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.gif
GStanford, guessing: "A degree is just a pretty piece of paper, it don't mean nothin'!"
United States Government, using data from 122,000,000 taxpayers: "People with the pretty piece of paper earn a median salary about double the guys without the pretty piece of paper."
Gosh, how do we decipher who is right?!?! GStan talking out of his ass without any valid supporting data, or the government of one the largest economies on the planet?
Man, college did not prepare me for such DIFFICULT decisions, my head is hurting!
Uneducated man working two jobs to make ends meet, or US government with data for over hundred million people at their disposal?! Who can we trust??!??!
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-18-2015
Come on, degrees are a segregation tool? Certainly not in Canada. Perhaps you could argue that to an extent in the USA, but really university degrees are a tool to teach you the skills and knowledge you need for the career that you choose. There's not some conspiracy among the upper class to prevent people with less money from getting a good education. It's just the way it works. In the US, education is funded a lot less than some other places, so private school there is very expensive, *but*, you get the best education available anywhere at the prestigious Ivy League schools in the US. Not only that but even if you have to take on a ton of debt to go to those schools, it's still well worth it.
I'm still about $20,000 in debt from my university education however my salary has almost tripled what I was making before I went to school. My single year of post graduate education has raised my salary by $20,000 alone. It's not a conspiracy. I paid for my education myself, I'm not from a wealthy family.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-18-2015
(08-18-2015, 10:22 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Come on, degrees are a segregation tool? Certainly not in Canada. Perhaps you could argue that to an extent in the USA, but really university degrees are a tool to teach you the skills and knowledge you need for the career that you choose. There's not some conspiracy among the upper class to prevent people with less money from getting a good education. It's just the way it works. In the US, education is funded a lot less than some other places, so private school there is very expensive, *but*, you get the best education available anywhere at the prestigious Ivy League schools in the US. Not only that but even if you have to take on a ton of debt to go to those schools, it's still well worth it.
I'm still about $20,000 in debt from my university education however my salary has almost tripled what I was making before I went to school. My single year of post graduate education has raised my salary by $20,000 alone. It's not a conspiracy. I paid for my education myself, I'm not from a wealthy family.
QFT
My wife, my dad, my uncle, and myself all worked our way through college.
The "segregation tool" is if you're not funded by parents, you need to want it bad enough to put in some long hours for a while. (and maybe borrow some cash to invest in yourself as well)
There's no guarantee this will land you a good job, but for a LOT of jobs it's the price of an interview. Not too coincidentally a huge chunk of the jobs with good pay and good benefits are in this group of jobs.
Anybody who thinks a university degree is a "pretty piece of paper anyone could get" is kidding themselves.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-19-2015
I will say, Rollo, you really need to be less condiscending toward the people on here that don't have a degree. It's really demeaning and they don't deserve it. Just because you have one it does not make you "special" or better than anyone else. We all make different choices, that's all it comes down to. I find it really offensive when you do that. You have been very bad about this both with Dave and apoppin. Now you're starting with gstanford. It's not nice.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 02:36 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I will say, Rollo, you really need to be less condiscending toward the people on here that don't have a degree. It's really demeaning and they don't deserve it. Just because you have one it does not make you "special" or better than anyone else. We all make different choices, that's all it comes down to. I find it really offensive when you do that. You have been very bad about this both with Dave and apoppin. Now you're starting with gstanford. It's not nice.
I've never said ANYTHING to Dave about college other than "Buddy, put the power back in your hands. Finish your degree, because even if you have to borrow money to do it having the ability to earn higher wages and be more employable is well worth it.". (and Dave could verify this)
GStan and Apoppin both have a bad habit of calling me an idiot, a lot. As such, I don't lose too much sleep over being condescending , or noting that I'd be the one that has actually been tested in academia and passed. If they don't want to be talked down to, they probably shouldn't call people stupid who can reply with "Gee whiz, in most cultures holding a couple bachelors and working in the software industry aren't the hallmarks of the obtuse".
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-19-2015
(08-18-2015, 05:55 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: Anyone who completes any 4 year degree at an accredited college has more knowledge of these areas of study than anyone who does not.
Haha, do you mean this in absolute terms? Prodigal pioneers often come from outside the standardized training institution, and blow the rest of us away. A tarzan of the jungle would climb 50 of those 200-foot trees way faster than any marine trained in the army for 15+ years, and exploit all of their weaknesses before these embarrassed marines realize their own beer bellies and go back to their regular bars to drink beer all over again.
The system is just becoming a bit too prohibitive for these prodigal gifts of talent, by disregarding anybody who did not go through the training marches.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 07:27 AM)BoFox Wrote:(08-18-2015, 05:55 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: Anyone who completes any 4 year degree at an accredited college has more knowledge of these areas of study than anyone who does not.
Haha, do you mean this in absolute terms? Prodigal pioneers often come from outside the standardized training institution, and blow the rest of us away. A tarzan of the jungle would climb 50 of those 200-foot trees way faster than any marine trained in the army for 15+ years, and exploit all of their weaknesses before these embarrassed marines realize their own beer bellies and go back to their regular bars to drink beer all over again.
The system is just becoming a bit too prohibitive for these prodigal gifts of talent, by disregarding anybody who did not go through the training marches.
There are few absolutes in the world, but very few undertake the same level of study on their own accord.
The reason the world is disregarding those who did not go through the training marches is, as GStan notes, there are a lot of college grads they can hire cheap due to high unemployment for recent grads. So now people have to get a university degree and work their way up through crap jobs a lot of the time.
Business will take advantage of whatever angle they can play, and why hire a HS diploma secretary when you can get one with an English degree?
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 06:08 AM)gstanford Wrote: Oh and Rollo, if you still want to pursue your ridiculous lawsuit against BTR (lets assume you own ABT here) I have just the lawfirm for you - Prenda Law. Ask for John Steele!
![[Image: ROFLMAO.gif]](http://alienbabeltech.com/old_abt/images/smilies/ROFLMAO.gif)
I have no lawsuit with BTR, and as noted, I don't know if Dave has one. (because I'm not a lawyer, sort of like you)
Talking to a lawyer is free, what do you have against Dave investigating whether Apoppin's actions are the basis of a lawsuit?
If Apoppin has infringed on Dave's rights or taken illegal advantage, wouldn't you want Dave compensated?
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 05:06 PM)gstanford Wrote: Sorry Rollo, but you are the one who brought up lawsuits against apoppin here, not me, not dave, not anyone else. Nice attempt at trying to pin the tail on another donkey but it doesn't work.
I stand by my choice of law firm and lawyer for you though.
I would have said the same to you, if you were Dave.
This website is a business that Dave has substantial investment of time and money into. If his investment has been diminished by Apoppin breaking their partnership and trading on the name, I'd think Dave is entitled to compensation.
Like I said, what you and I think of the case is irrelevant.
I've seen things as crazy as a woman spilling coffee on herself suing because the coffee was "too hot":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
To me, a site named BabelTechReviews created after AlienBabelTech would seem like there may be cause for a lawsuit. Might not be, but again, I'm not a lawyer.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-19-2015
Perhaps Dave can correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I understand Dave was in charge of the backend of the website, making sure that everything was running properly. apoppin was in charge of the content. ABT went down many times and no one took the time to make a backup. Again, I don't know this for sure, but it sounds like that was Dave's responsibility. The site went down. That last crash was huge, ABT was down for a really long time. You don't expect apoppin to be frustrated by that? I don't know all the ins and outs of who was responsible for what or who's fault any of this was, but that's what it looks like to me. And now you want Dave to sue Mark? For what? Because the host crashed and apoppin left? People are allowed to leave a business partnership, it happens every day.
I really didn't want to come out and say this because I didn't want to offend Dave, but you just won't let it go, Rollo. The crash wasn't really Dave's fault, either, it was the host. My one point is that someone really should have kept a backup.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 06:04 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I've seen things as crazy as a woman spilling coffee on herself suing because the coffee was "too hot":You need to brush up on your facts: http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 06:32 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Perhaps Dave can correct me if I'm wrong here, but from what I understand Dave was in charge of the backend of the website, making sure that everything was running properly. apoppin was in charge of the content. ABT went down many times and no one took the time to make a backup. Again, I don't know this for sure, but it sounds like that was Dave's responsibility. The site went down. That last crash was huge, ABT was down for a really long time. You don't expect apoppin to be frustrated by that? I don't know all the ins and outs of who was responsible for what or who's fault any of this was, but that's what it looks like to me. And now you want Dave to sue Mark? For what? Because the host crashed and apoppin left? People are allowed to leave a business partnership, it happens every day.
I really didn't want to come out and say this because I didn't want to offend Dave, but you just won't let it go, Rollo. The crash wasn't really Dave's fault, either, it was the host. My one point is that someone really should have kept a backup.
That is nearly spot on except you left the part where the back ups were being done by Mark's friend Mario who was doing most of the webmaster work and is still doing webmaster work for Mark. The site crashed on previous hosts and Mario had back ups so why would I think any different with the host that crashed on December 11th? Turns out that time he said he had a back up while he actually did not. I had last taken a full back up in August which is what I brought the site back up with as best I could on yet another new host.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-19-2015
Another Wave of Publications Shut Down Online Comments
8-19-2015
The debate about comment sections on news sites is often as divisive as the comments themselves.
Recently outlets such as The Verge and The Daily Dot have closed their comments sections because they've become too hard to manage.
And they're far from alone.
Moderating comments is a full-time job (or several full-time jobs) at many news organisations.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-19-2015
Free speech is going by way of the Do Do bird.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 09:45 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote:(08-19-2015, 06:04 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: I've seen things as crazy as a woman spilling coffee on herself suing because the coffee was "too hot":You need to brush up on your facts: http://www.stellaawards.com/stella.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
FFS- why did I have to waste my time watching this? I understood the case pretty well and think it's crazier yet now that I watched most of the video.
It was the industry standard for coffee. It was what the customers wanted. Millions of people buying it and drinking it every day, for years. Burn allegations for one in every 24 million people who buy it.
Some senile old lady decides it is a smart plan to try and hold a paper cup of scalding hot liquid between her knees like she's a circus monkey doing a trick, remove the lid, and dumps it on her junk and now the whole world has to drink coffee that tastes worse.
Makes sense to me. Earth to grandma: coffee is hot. paper cups are flimsy. if you want to take off the lid in a car (not a good plan to start) you hold the cup in one hand and remove the lid with the other.
Her story is about as dumb as "Well my hands were tied up texting so I mashed the paper cup full of coffee against the car window with my ear to let it cool. How could I have known or prevented the coffee spilling on me and burning me?!"
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 10:02 PM)gstanford Wrote: Ignorance is bliss for a lot of people - they just believe what they are told about a situation and don't bother to check the facts for themselves. I'd wager most religious types slot right into that category, they don't want to understand, just sit wide-eyed and slack-jawed while a good bit of fantasy fiction is spun for them.
Dude, I'd pay good money for my kind of ignorance to escape your kind of wisdom.
Strike that- I already paid the money.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-19-2015
(08-19-2015, 10:02 PM)gstanford Wrote: Ignorance is bliss for a lot of people - they just believe what they are told about a situation and don't bother to check the facts for themselves. I'd wager most religious types slot right into that category, they don't want to understand, just sit wide-eyed and slack-jawed while a good bit of fantasy fiction is spun for them.
Spouting anti-religion crap all over again rather than keeping posts specific, Gstan? Why can't you keep your anti-religion crusade to yourself, and just discuss the observational data that we all have access to? In fact, most religious types actually believe in the big bang and evolution, so what are you crying a river about? I did myself for a big part of my life as well, like when I read the books by Stephen Hawking, I agreed with him because it sounded authoritative and convincing. Now, after doing more research, I'm really glad that I don't "just believe what I'm told about a situation", and that I "bother to check the facts for myself".
I'm challenging you to logically debate the scientific data in that other thread, so come on - debate your favorite topic, astronomy.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-19-2015
I'm actually getting tired of all of the religion and I actually don't want gstanford to waste his time refuting all that, BoFox. He clearly is diametrically opposed to religion for whatever reason. Perhaps something happened to him in his past, I have no idea. But there is no point. It's just going to piss him off, then he's going to piss you off, and the whole forum will be in a ruckus. gstanford and apoppin both have their own beliefs and they clearly want nothing to do with religion. So I say we just leave them both alone. There is no point. I actually hoped I could help get through a bit to apoppin in particular at one point but these guys have very strong feelings about religion. It's just going to cause problems.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-19-2015
Don't worry SB - Gstan has me on his ignore list, so I don't think he'll reply to me after ignoring me anyway (it'd be a huge blow to his ego lol).
Guys, I'm happy to not bring up religion. On the other hand, my challenge to discuss scientific facts (like why the Hydroplate Theory puts the Plate Tectonic theory to shame) remains - as long as the debate can revolve around data and nothing else (which you say is impossible among these two).
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-20-2015
Well he's going to un-ignore you in about t-minus two weeks so prepare yourself. If you preach at him he's going to get pissed off!
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - ocre - 08-20-2015
Yeah, the Big Bang is bunk