(01-07-2016, 05:17 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I would love to read Rollo's kindergarten report card. I'm sure there would be something in there about sharing.

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

(01-07-2016, 08:15 AM)gstanford Wrote: People had to pay taxes long before Socialism was ever a concept Rollo, Hell even the USSR at the height of communism taxed people.  Taxes are necessary for society to function well.

You just have a greed issue in that you don't like having to pay your taxes.

That makes you an anti-citizen, an outlaw in my eyes.  You care nothing for others in the society that enable you to have the lifestyle that you do, you just want it all for yourself.

It isn't the down-and-outs of society that increase your tax bill either you know, it is the republicans with their irresponsible regulation cutting and constant warmongering that creates the debt that increases your taxes despite preaching "lower taxes!" every chance they get.

Don't worry I don't expect you to understand any of the above.  It is all clearly way beyond your comprehension abilities (and they didn't teach it when you earned your diplomas - you are only book smart, haven't a shred of common sense) and by your own admission you were more interested in partying than learning until you flunked college the first time.

(01-06-2016, 10:17 PM)SteelCrysis Wrote:

(01-06-2016, 06:36 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: One young lady goes to college, borrows $50K, works part time while going to school full time for five years, then works as a chemical engineer and earns $100K a year and a private health care plan can't get any decent-paying work because of entitled employers who think they're entitled to employees with 10+ years experience who are bilingual, then is stuck doing menial, low-paying work for the rest of her life, assuming she doesn't commit suicide.

How is this fair?

Fixed it for you.

(01-07-2016, 09:02 AM)gstanford Wrote: Because your government believes in being compassionate to them them, that is why, because the government knows if it wasn't compassionate towards them they would become criminals instead and criminals are more expensive (and society would become a worse place to live in).

(01-07-2016, 12:37 PM)gstanford Wrote: It costs more to imprison somebody than it does to pay them a welfare benefit and a health benefit.  A lot more.

Not to mention they have no prospect of obtaining work while imprisoned and almost no prospect after serving their time thanks to a criminal record.  All you would do is entrench the poor, not uplift them!

Governments and societies want to improve peoples lives not worsen them, they want people gainfully employed, sitting with no hope of obtaining employment, that is why they have the policies that they do and not yours!

Quote: Both you and Ben are completely ignorant about Canada

Quote:I guess for people who refuse to look beyond their own backyard I shouldn't expect anything different.

(01-07-2016, 07:12 PM)gstanford Wrote: The USA is nothing that special and only rose in power internationally because two world wars bankrupted Europe and Britain.

You owe most of your technologies to the scientists you took from nazi germany back in WW2.  Without them you wouldn't have a space program, nuclear program, modern health knowledge etc.

(01-07-2016, 06:53 PM)BenSkywalker Wrote: You half wits also try arguing with me like I am some traditionalist right winger. Rollo is taking the stance of being able to keep what he earns- that has never been my point although with your very limited understanding of how things in the world work that doesn't surprise me.

People should have more rights then corporations. You people who claim to like progressive ideals, when you argue this point, you are jumping *FAR* to the right of Rollo's classical work for what you get line of thought.

(01-07-2016, 07:12 PM)gstanford Wrote: The USA is nothing that special and only rose in power internationally because two world wars bankrupted Europe and Britain.

You owe most of your technologies to the scientists you took from nazi germany back in WW2.  Without them you wouldn't have a space program, nuclear program, modern health knowledge etc.

(01-07-2016, 06:15 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:

(01-07-2016, 05:17 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I would love to read Rollo's kindergarten report card. I'm sure there would be something in there about sharing.

Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

I would love to see you explain why socialism is "fair" at all.

If you think sharing is so great, how about I give you a PayPal account and you put $50 a month in it?

(12-21-2015, 12:40 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Well the currency situation is largely outside of our control unfortunately. The Arabs are driving down the price of oil and we are getting hammered because of it.

Quote:The US produced 15.9% more oil in 2014 at 11.6 million barrels of oil per day to topple Saudi Arabia's 11.5 million bpd production, ...

Russia with 10.8 million bpd oil production was placed third.

The US surpassed Russia as the world's largest producer of oil and gas, producing 1,250.4 million tons of oil and oil equivalent natural gas in 2014. This compared with Russia's 1,062 million tons of oil equivalent.

BP said the US shale revolution helped it overtake "Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest oil producer and surpass Russia as the world's largest producer of oil and gas."

(01-08-2016, 08:34 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Why is socialism fair?  Let's see, I guess I can use the USA as an example:

Kid A's father is the CEO of a large American corporation.  He is given a BMW on his 16th birthday and his parents fully pay for his medical training at Harvard.  He graduates with honors and becomes a well renowned cardiologist for one of the best hospitals in his city.  He earns $400,000USD per year.  As such he pays about $150,000 of that in taxes every year.

Kid B does not know his father as he has been incarcerated from the time he was 3 years old.  The father repeatedly abused both Kid B and the mother both physically and emotionally.  One day the father broke the mother's collarbone when he pushed her down the stairs during an argument.  A concerned neighbor called the police.  Kid B has not seen his father since then.  Kid B's mom has a high school education.  Daycare for Kid B would cost more than the mom earns, even with a subsidy from their small city.  She goes on welfare and focuses on being the best parent she can be; she is all Kid B has left.  Kid B was forced to take a part time job while in high school so that he could afford things like haircuts and clothes.  He was only able to save $1000 for college.  He did quite well on his SAT test but he could not even afford to go to a state school, so he became a mechanic at a local garage.  He does not get any benefits and his salary is minimal.  He pays about $5,000 per year in taxes.

So how is this fair?  Kid A pays $150,000 in taxes and Kid B only pays $5,000.  It depends on how you look at it.  That $150,000 in taxes paid by Kid A provides the government with enough money to give food stamps to 50 families in his area.  It also allows the government to build roads, schools, and hospitals for their community.  In Canada some of this money would go toward paying for universal healthcare.

Rollo what I really don't think you understand is the fact that fairness does not mean equality.  Clearly Kid A pays more taxes than Kid B.  That being said, who's life would you rather have?  It could be argued the Kid A had an unfair advantage to begin with due to his privileged upbringing.

I realize that this issue is not about the money with you, either.  I have explained to you many times that we pay half as much per capita here in Canada on healthcare yet we have universal coverage.  So basically you could have universal coverage in the USA and it would cost people like you *less* overall yet you still don't want it due to philosophical issues.  You don't want the "slackers" to get it because you don't think it's fair.  You know what?  The slackers bother me too.  They say that about 1% of the Canadian population lives off the system.  That bothers me.  The thing is, though, you have to take the good with the bad.  The good in our system is that we don't have the massive ghettos that you see in the US.  People here are healthier and live longer.  Our infrastructure is modern.  Our public schools are excellent.  Our communities are safe.  So you have all that good that you have to take along with the sad fact that there are slackers who live off the system.  You know what though?  It's not much of a life for the slackers.  They can only get so much money from the government to do nothing.  It's not a life for them.  Really it's almost like being in prison.

There is also the fact that you would not have the lifestyle that you enjoy without the "slackers".  You said you shop at Wal Mart.  Here's a news flash for you:  in Canada they all get free health care, even if they're earning minimum wage.  Now you would probably think that's not fair because you paid for part of it.  But, you save money every week on your groceries and other shopping.  You have to always weigh out the good and the bad in life.

To really answer why socialism is fair:  it's because it gives everyone a better place to live, including the rich.

Anyhow I know that's a long post.  I truly hope that I was able to get through to you even just a little bit.  It must be pretty sad going through your life with such a chip off your shoulder.  I don't know what these slackers ever did to you but you're turning your back on good government policy out of spite, mindset, and ideology.  The sad fact is that there are many Americans who would agree with you.  Ben is a prime example.

Have a great night.  And remember, there are lots of people out there without a bed to sleep in.  They aren't all slackers, either.  Bad things happen to good people.  People lose their job every day due to no fault of their own.  Employment insurance only lasts so long.

(01-09-2016, 03:46 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Waiters and waitresses actually make quite a bit of money and the tips are cash so they don't even have to pay tax. The people making the least work at places like wal mart and the fast food places. They work hard for their money. I almost always tip 15% because that's what is customary here.

Sent from my LG-D852 using Tapatalk

(01-10-2016, 05:33 AM)SickBeast Wrote: So Rollo why on earth did you upgrade from the LG G3? Doesn't the lack of a micro SD slot drive you crazy on the note 5? I have a 128gb micro SD card in my G3 and honestly there is no going back. It's incredible for photo and music storage. The G3 is no slouch either. I find that the high end phones have really stagnated.

(01-10-2016, 07:46 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Do you really find its that much faster in daily general usage? I am planning to keep my G3 for at least another year. I am due for an upgrade but I want to get the iPhone 7 for my wife when it comes out.

Sent from my LG-D852 using Tapatalk

(01-10-2016, 10:38 PM)SickBeast Wrote: My wife likes apple, there is nothing I can do about it. I got her a Sony Xperia Z3 because it looks just like the iPhone 6 with premium build quality but she says she hates it. She won't even tell me the reason. She has really been drinking the apple kool aid.

If the note 5 had a micro SD slot or even an affordable 128gb option I would be interested. Honestly though after having 160gb of storage on my phone there is no going back. The 128gb micro SD card only cost me $30usd. Plus with marshmallow it merges the SD card with the built in memory.

(01-09-2016, 10:17 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:

(01-09-2016, 03:46 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Waiters and waitresses actually make quite a bit of money and the tips are cash so they don't even have to pay tax. The people making the least work at places like wal mart and the fast food places. They work hard for their money. I almost always tip 15% because that's what is customary here.

Sent from my LG-D852 using Tapatalk

I always tip more 20-30%.

(01-10-2016, 11:33 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:

(01-10-2016, 10:38 PM)SickBeast Wrote: My wife likes apple, there is nothing I can do about it. I got her a Sony Xperia Z3 because it looks just like the iPhone 6 with premium build quality but she says she hates it. She won't even tell me the reason. She has really been drinking the apple kool aid.

If the note 5 had a micro SD slot or even an affordable 128gb option I would be interested. Honestly though after having 160gb of storage on my phone there is no going back. The 128gb micro SD card only cost me $30usd. Plus with marshmallow it merges the SD card with the built in memory.

Stuff like this and an octo core SOC is just more exciting than anything G3:

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-gear-vr-2015/

Storage is pretty hard to care about. I've never had a phone 2 years, not like I'm hurting for it.

Apple can suck it, would never use their proprietary crap.

(01-10-2016, 11:48 PM)BoFox Wrote:

(01-10-2016, 11:33 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:

(01-10-2016, 10:38 PM)SickBeast Wrote: My wife likes apple, there is nothing I can do about it. I got her a Sony Xperia Z3 because it looks just like the iPhone 6 with premium build quality but she says she hates it. She won't even tell me the reason. She has really been drinking the apple kool aid.

If the note 5 had a micro SD slot or even an affordable 128gb option I would be interested. Honestly though after having 160gb of storage on my phone there is no going back. The 128gb micro SD card only cost me $30usd. Plus with marshmallow it merges the SD card with the built in memory.

Stuff like this and an octo core SOC is just more exciting than anything G3:

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-gear-vr-2015/

Storage is pretty hard to care about. I've never had a phone 2 years, not like I'm hurting for it.

Apple can suck it, would never use their proprietary crap.

Almost nothing uses 8 cores, especially on a smartphone.  I personally liked it when Nvidia went back to 2 cores with their custom Denver K1, which is still plenty fast for anything today.  Same with Apple going back to 3 cores with A8X. 

Storage can be big especially if you like taking high quality videos.  With high-end phones supporting 4K videos these days, it wouldn't take long to fill up 32GB of internal memory if you want to capture your son playing soccer in high quality.  Worrying about storage means you have to worry about taking pictures instead of just recording the entire moment on video (and you can also take as many pictures as you want while still recording).  Pause the video when watching later on, and it looks just as high quality as a picture (that is, on a high-end phone).  Is it truly high-end if you have to worry about storage like a hobo worries about the price of a beer can?

(01-11-2016, 01:11 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Honestly I really think that the lack of an sd slot is nonsense. It's inexcusable. They could easily make a phone with premium build quality and give it an sd card slot. Heck, my wife's sony xperia z3 has a premium metal build and it still has the SD card slot plus it's waterproof. This is just pure greed on behalf of samsung. I'm glad you are happy with it Rollo but I just could never live with the lack of storage. Storage is way more important than the CPU for me.

Quote:The SoC used continues to be the best SoC you can get in any mobile device running Android. This is likely to change next year, but given the data it’s incontrovertible that the Exynos 7420 is the fastest and most efficient SoC available in an Android device. These two factors strongly affect user experience in workloads like web browsing, updating and installing apps, and gaming. If you do any of those three things, SoC performance has a strong influence upon overall user experience for you.

(01-11-2016, 01:45 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Look, I'm not denying the fact that the CPU is significantly faster on the note 5. It is. Actually that phone looks to me like the best phone samsung has ever made. An sd card slot and removable battery would have completed the package is all. Samsung could have done it. For some stupid reason they decided not to.

(01-10-2016, 11:37 PM)BoFox Wrote:

(01-09-2016, 10:17 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:

(01-09-2016, 03:46 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Waiters and waitresses actually make quite a bit of money and the tips are cash so they don't even have to pay tax. The people making the least work at places like wal mart and the fast food places. They work hard for their money. I almost always tip 15% because that's what is customary here.

Sent from my LG-D852 using Tapatalk

I always tip more 20-30%.

Ok, if Apoppin served food on your table, you'd pay him 30% on top of everything for just walking 4 times over to your table, carrying maybe 5-6 pounds worth of stuff altogether? 

Yet he benches more games than anybody else in America, beating the guys over at Anandtech, especially Kyle Bennett over at HardOCP, etc.. 

And you ironically go around in circles about not wanting to pay a tiny bit of your tax for specifically those "slackers" who are still hard workers serving others at large, nonetheless (and I mean those specific guys)?

Ahhhhhhh..........    pass me a beer, shall ya?

(01-11-2016, 02:41 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I only have 3gb of data and my music collection is large. I use the music all the time. Same with photos. The cloud just isn't the same. I used the cloud a lot when I had my 8gb Moto G. Likely I said  after having 160gb of storage there is no going back for me. Heck, my apps alone would more than fill 32gb.

(01-11-2016, 02:48 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:

(01-10-2016, 11:37 PM)BoFox Wrote: Ok, if Apoppin served food on your table, you'd pay him 30% on top of everything for just walking 4 times over to your table, carrying maybe 5-6 pounds worth of stuff altogether? 

Yet he benches more games than anybody else in America, beating the guys over at Anandtech, especially Kyle Bennett over at HardOCP, etc.. 

And you ironically go around in circles about not wanting to pay a tiny bit of your tax for specifically those "slackers" who are still hard workers serving others at large, nonetheless (and I mean those specific guys)?

Ahhhhhhh..........    pass me a beer, shall ya?

I'll pay more than 30% if the restaurant is cheap and 30% won't buy much.

How hard Apoppin works is irrelevant. I didn't choose to be Apoppin's customer like I did the restaurant's.

Let's say Apoppin is hanging around in a state and notices there is litter. So Apoppin makes it his life's work to pick up litter, because there's no law against him doing so and he likes picking up trash.

Is what Apoppin is doing "positive" on some levels? Sure.

Did anyone ask him to do it? No.

Should society have to buy him a HMO because he wants to do that instead of go to work at some business cleaning up and earn a HMO that way? Not in my opinion.

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: Same here, I'm known to tip upwards of 30% at times as well. 

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: Perhaps it's still relevant (how hard working...) - if you point out that you had to go to college, earn degrees, while the other guy played around then got some change out of your wallet for what you had to pay for yourself.  That guy just might be the waiter serving you at the table serving you drinks when you would just rather pour yourself some refills with a pitcher or a wine bottle rather than waiting for him and his fake grin..

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: Well, times have changed.  No more slavery like the pre-Civil War days.  Public healthcare for everybody.  The poor black families cannot sue the government for the past, for their ancestors being kidnapped from Africa and abused and raped for centuries, with little to no inheritance unlike their masters who got everything they worked for.  Can you sue the government that you had to pay for healthcare when there was not a public government-funded HMO for everybody in the past....  maybe... just maybe, if you got an equally angry multi-millionaire lawyer?

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: Back to the point of it being relevant or not...  does it really matter how they got the job in the first place?  Does the job have to be employed by a restaurant business owner, and is it evil for all self-employers to get....

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: IMHO, basic healthcare should be free and equal for everybody, regardless of race, status, or income. 

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: Otherwise, it's basically discrimination. 

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: Premium healthcare (like having a doctor visit at home or luxury nurse care at home), would cost extra, of course.  It's just that the whole system has been corrupt from the beginning just like with slavery along with the roots of capitalism.  How do we keep discrimination and inequality from creating victims out of families and groups of people each generation? 

(01-11-2016, 03:30 AM)BoFox Wrote: Like you believe, a hard working guy should get what he earns.  But yet you believe that if the restaurant doesn't pay the waiter enough, you pay more than 30% tip.  But fuck his healthcare - even if he wants to save the money to open another of the same restaurant franchise closer to where you live, and hire even better cooks?  Perhaps your 35% tip isn't really going anywhere much but to help pay for his outrageous health care bills anyway - WHILE he never gets to open that same restaurant in your neighborhood, so you have to drive 45 minutes to that favorite restaurant of yours.

(01-11-2016, 05:18 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Wow BoFox you just pwned Rollo! I didn't think you had it in you. I thought he was your master.