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The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-02-2016 http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/storage/seagate_hit_with_class_action_lawsuit_for_high_failure_rates/1 Thanks a lot, assholes. Quote:The class action lawsuit goes on to cite data from Backblaze as evidence against Seagate, with Backblaze having on several occasions reported that Seagate is among the worst manufacturer on the market who have failure rates that are often much higher than that of other manufacturers. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-02-2016 To be fair, the lawsuit merely cites Backblaze as additional evidence. But they still shouldn't have cited it, since it's a bogus report, with Seagate's failure rate massively skewed upwards by using 2007 drives that were known to be especially unreliable. Edit: For anyone who needs a reminder: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index.html http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/storage-hardware/selecting-a-disk-drive-how-not-to-do-research-1.html RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-02-2016 Yes it is, because the use of unreasonably old drives skewed Seagate's failure rate. Also, according to the Tweaktown article, the Seagate drives were predominantly in older chassis that had inferior vibration dampening. Vibration does affect HDD life, and even HDD performance. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-02-2016 Then as Tweaktown mentions in the comments, there's the issue that Backblaze doesn't even bother securing the drives with fasteners. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-02-2016 The Backblaze drives are plugged into a PCB connector and left to vibrate as much as they want. Meanwhile, the civilized world at a minimum uses fasteners. Even better are the anti-vibration mounts that the rails/trays often come with. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-02-2016 Backblaze's drives don't have the advantage of lying on their longer side. Instead, they're being stood up on their narrowest side. BTW, according to the Tweaktown article, Backblaze themselves admit to using RMAed and refurbished drives in their report. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - BoFox - 02-03-2016 Well, I don't know enough to judge anything myself, but the whole vibration "issue" does not make sense to me at all. All hard drives vibrate when spinning, especially from the inside. No matter what the mounting, the Seagate drives were known to have weaker vibration-proof safeguards along with the internal vibration that was stronger than those of other brands, right? In other words, vibration tends to be caused by the internal mechanism so much more so than from anything external. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-03-2016 Yes it should. Anti-vibration measures exist for a reason. They prevent the HDD from vibrating against hard surfaces, and thus reduce the vibrations. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - BoFox - 02-03-2016 Hmm, didn't know it was more than just to reduce the noise, especially since many hard drives are designed to withstand impacts of some kind, measured in G's. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-03-2016 Of course. After all, crashing into something over and over again on a tiny scale is bound to be more detrimental than having a rubber standoff absorbing the impact. Heck, there's even a couple of drive bay adapters that suspend HDDs using rubber ropes to completely separate the HDDs from the tray around them. Edit: Here are some handy links: http://www.lockergnome.com/uncategorized/2010/05/12/hard-drive-performance-dropped-significantly-by-noise/ http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g33/c113/s209/list/p1/Ultra_Quiet-HDD_Silencers-NoiseMagic_NoVibes_III-Page1.html https://forums.freenas.org/index.php?threads/use-hard-drive-anti-vibration-grommets-or-not.27830/ Edit 2: http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/6028/dispelling-backblaze-s-hdd-reliability-myth-the-real-story-covered/index3.html Quote:Vibration is every hard drive's enemy, and creates an exponential amount of wear on components. Vibration even has performance implications. A typical desktop HDD experiences a relatively vibration-free existence in a stable environment, and is designed accordingly. One of the major differences in enterprise HDD design is vibration resistance technology. This allows the drive to function well and stand up to the wear and tear of the server chassis and rack. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - SteelCrysis - 02-03-2016 http://www.tomshardware.com/news/seagate-hdd-failure-lawsuit-3tb,31118.html Paul Alcorn, who wrote the Tweaktown article that debunked Backblaze, delivers the smackdown. Of course, the Backblaze fanboys/employees are attacking him in the comments. Quote:The Backblaze HDD reliability "study" consisted of a little-known cloud storage company's internal observations of the failure rates of HDDs in its own unique environment. The Backblaze study has been both widely embraced for its open sharing of field failure rates that is typically hidden by vendors and customers alike, and also criticized because of the nature of the environment. RE: The Fallout Of Backblaze's Bogus HDD Reliability Report - BoFox - 02-03-2016 (02-03-2016, 11:36 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Of course. After all, crashing into something over and over again on a tiny scale is bound to be more detrimental than having a rubber standoff absorbing the impact. Heck, there's even a couple of drive bay adapters that suspend HDDs using rubber ropes to completely separate the HDDs from the tray around them. Got it, thanks for the explanation. Good thing that one of my cases (Antec Lanboy Air) has rubber suspenders:
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