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AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
I'll be watching the AnandTech live blog of AMD's Polaris presentation.
RE: Polaris Discussion Thread - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
RX 480 for USD 199, June 29: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10389/amd-teases-radeon-rx-480-launching-june-29th-for-199
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
Next AMD CPUs: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10362/amd-7th-generation-apu-bristol-ridge-stoney-ridge-for-notebooks
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
Interesting figure from AMD:
![[Image: 1464747011213-412244543_575px.jpg]](http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10390/1464747011213-412244543_575px.jpg)
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
RX 480 is supposedly built like a $500 card, with over 5 TFlops, 4 GB GDDR5 VRAM on the $199 version.
![[Image: 1464747220152-350997074.jpg]](http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10390/1464747220152-350997074.jpg)
![[Image: 1464747324244833938613.jpg]](http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10390/1464747324244833938613.jpg)
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
Here's what 2 RX 480s in Crossfire can do, Ryan notes "Are we still going to have vendors seriously pitch multi-GPU given all of the problems in the past year?"
![[Image: 14647477823251313790085.jpg]](http://images.anandtech.com/doci/10390/14647477823251313790085.jpg)
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
AMD announces new Bristol Ridge APU, seems that they're focusing on mobile since they're comparing it to an i5-6600U.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - RolloTheGreat - 06-01-2016
(06-01-2016, 08:12 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Interesting figure from AMD:
Here's the problem with all of this for AMD:
Profit on $199 card- $20..
Profit on $449 1070- $200..
AMD needs margin, not penny ante value cards in their slim market share.
And no- two 480s is not a direct competitor to a 1080.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
Zen time. Tapeout earlier this year. Zen APU is called Summit Ridge. 40% more IPC, 8 core/16 thread, AM4 socket. Q3 sampling for us ordinary people. Bristol Ridge/7th gen APUs are shipping today. The presentation has moved to the group photo and the Q&A.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - happy medium - 06-01-2016
The question is whats 300$? 480x?
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
AnandTech live blog is over, but new info will be posted if it shows up.
RE: Polaris Discussion Thread - ocre - 06-01-2016
(06-01-2016, 08:07 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: RX 480 for USD 199, June 29: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10389/amd-teases-radeon-rx-480-launching-june-29th-for-199
Then there are the comments.
98% total positive when every single article about pascal(1070 or 1080) is flooded with 90% anti Nvidia and anti pascal.
Very funny indeed.
Anyhow, how are people not concerned here. The tdp of 150watts....it's really shocking. All this talk about superior 14nm and how much of a disadvantage Nvidia is stuck in with their 16nm tech....
Wholly crap!!!
The r9 480 has a TDP of 150watts....the same as the 1070? The 1070 will be significantly faster. AMD is now officially in the same position they got in with intel. A massive perf per watt loss here.
And how much do you guys think people will scrutinize amd when it comes to their marketing fluff? Like their bogus crossfire claim.
It's very interesting that they specifically had the 290 in their presentation. Not the 290x. The 290.
I do believe there will be a 480x and it's gonna cost more than the 200 bucks they are trying to sell polaris on. But the clock speed and specific mention of 290 makes me think that this 480 will not be in 390x territory. More like 290.
Then perhaps a 480x, which will cost more and perform higher. But considering they are already at 150watts TDP....I think they have some real bad issues.
I mean....wth?
It's really a shame. Nvidia will be able to swat these chips down with a 128 bit gp106. There is no performance per watt advantage for polaris..not from the looks of it. If the 1070 is that much faster at a similar wattage, a gp106 will make it look really really bad.
I am just having trouble seeing how this is looking good to some people. It looks like amd is in shit creek and without a life jacket.
Maybe it's just a big ploy and amd is really trying to throw everyone off.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - BenSkywalker - 06-01-2016
Quote:I am just having trouble seeing how this is looking good to some people.
I think you are confused, AMD pays people to say nice things about their products, I don't think anyone is actually a big enough idiot to believe it.
This chip is looking to be inferior to the 390, and markedly so. For those stuck at gaming @1080p60Hz, the first option to increase visual fidelity is normally to crank up AA- this part has less bandwidth than the original R280x which came out @$299 in 2013 and just edges out the 7970 that hit in 2011.
Five years of progress..... really? Don't get me wrong, as the bottom wrung of your product stack this wouldn't be abhorrent, but if they like it or not, this is their halo part. Consider image reinforced AMD- if you are on food stamps- buy our parts.....
Another interesting thing to note, people have been hammering for a while now the importance of VR- AMD's viral marketers- and now they have to spin how this thing is going to handle 1080P @180Hz- you know, VR's target.
This is looking like in most situations it will have lower performance than the 290, unless they have made some major architectural changes(doesn't appear that way, but it is within the realm of possibility).
So, AMD spends the better part of year hyping up a product that is looking to be almost as fast as their fifth fastest part from last year.......
You can't even make this shit up, these people are so bad at their jobs it is utterly shocking.
Looks like AMD has the shill "reporters" at AT on board too- "80% of all graphics card purchases are in the value range"- really? When? Because the 970 has smacked the taste out of everything's mouth this generation- if you look over the Steam survey the 970/80/80Ti are a bit over 7% of the total market(going back to the age of the dinosaurs) while the 960/950 are about 4.5%. Even if we do a solid and try to twist the fuck out of the argument, add in all the R9 200 series parts and act like they are all in that price range the expensive parts *still* come out 0.9% absolute ahead(15% relative).
This was true years ago- now Intel ships strong enough integrated solutions for solid gaming for the casuals- it isn't like you can't play a game without a discrete GPU now- hell even Overwatch is playable on Intel's integrated parts(mind you, not to *our* standards, but it seems to run in the ~30FPS range without an issue). That is the biggest PC game released in quite a while. Obviously, we aren't playing Crysis 3 @4K max everything, but the fact of the matter is the people who used to buy those budget parts are now largely served by integrated solutions. The elitist prick ass holes who think PC gaming is a gift only those diving enlightened few(you know, us) take part in, they pay for the big shit. Hell, they may still be rocking a GTX 280, but they aren't likely to upgrade to a $199 anything.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-01-2016
RX 480 does not impress: http://www.techpowerup.com/223043/amd-radeon-rx-480-clock-speeds-revealed-clocked-above-1-2-ghz
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - BoFox - 06-02-2016
(06-01-2016, 08:23 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: Here's what 2 RX 480s in Crossfire can do, Ryan notes "Are we still going to have vendors seriously pitch multi-GPU given all of the problems in the past year?"
Now we need to do "forensics" on this.. analyze the ordinary Radeon scaling in this game. Do the recent Radeon cards generally scale at 100% or just 50% or what, for this game?
From this, we can roughly estimate the true speed of a single RX 480.
Extrapolating from this:
![[Image: 7569_101_dx12-benchmarked-fury-titan-wor...gether.png]](http://imagescdn.tweaktown.com/content/7/5/7569_101_dx12-benchmarked-fury-titan-working-together.png)
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7569/dx12-benchmarked-fury-titan-working-together/index3.html
We can see that 2x Fury X cards perform 61.5% faster than a single Fury X.
Let's just round it up to 62% scaling, assuming the the scaling has improved slightly (although air-cooled cards would be more temperature-restricted than water-cooled Fury X cards).
62.5 fps in Crossfire, divided by 1.62 = 38.6 fps for a single RX 480, roughly!
Now, GTX 1080's 58.7 fps being 52% faster than a single RX 480's extrapolated 38.6 fps gives us some hint ( 0.657 of GTX 1080 ),
if we can find the most AMD-preferred AoS benchmark with settings that make the Radeon shine the most, like what AMD would try to use. Tomshardware's bench will just be used for now, from http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-8gb-pascal-performance,4585-3.html NAH, SCRATCH THAT - I'm using this one from Hardware.fr, which shows the Fury X and 290X as even closer to that of 1080, which is probably closer to what AMD used:
http://www.hardware.fr/articles/948-16/benchmark-ashes-of-the-singularity.html
The factory-overclocked 290X being roughly the same as the 390X yields 46 fps, whereas the 1080 yields 64 fps. There, the 1080 is 39.1% faster than the pre-oc'ed 290X.
( 0.71875 of GTX 1080 )
Now, we could probably safely assume that the RX 480 falls short of the 390X by quite a bit. If the same benchmark by Hardware.fr with the exact same settings was used by AMD for the slideshow (while RX 480's scaling is roughly the same as that of the Fury X), then get ready for this:
The factory-oc'ed 290X (much like a 390X) would be 9% faster than the RX 480.
On the other hand, if I use Tomshardware's benchmark instead of Hardware.fr's..:
GTX 1080: 66.1 fps
R9 390X: 38.6 fps ( 0.584 of GTX 1080 )
If TomHardware's bench and settings were used by AMD, it would turn the tides over, inferring that RX 480 is 12.6% faster than the 390X. AMD in all of their engineering wisdom would prefer benchmark settings more like the one that Hardware.fr used above for obvious reasons.
However, this could still imply that Polaris does indeed have some further Async efficiency benefits (additional DX12 optimizations and refinements), but I wouldn't expect so much there. If this is the case, then it would just mean that for most other games, Polaris would not have such an edge over the 390X. Nevertheless we have to keep Hardware.fr's charts in mind (while Hardware.fr generally painted the Radeon cards in better light than most other hardware review sites over the past few years when it came to the overall, aggregate averages against the Geforce rivals).
The generic TFLOPs figure places the RX 480 in between the 390 and the 390X, yet there seems to be something else holding it back - perhaps the compressed bandwidth of only 256GB/s ("Amazing" 20% compression efficiency making it more like 307GB/s, compared to 390X's which is still yet 25% higher than 307GB/s) penalizes the card a bit. Using a generic rule of thumb of at least 2% performance hit for every 10% reduction in bandwidth, which is a bit modest and conservative with the front-end/back-end to bandwidth ratio of flagship GPUs of today which is more like 3% rather than 2%, I'd say that this 20% reduction in effective bandwidth usage translates to at least around 5% effective loss of performance compared to using 390X's identical memory uarch.
If it's still slower than the 390, rather than just the 390X, then there could be something else holding it back, like the ROPs being cut down to pathetic 32, from 64 (which I highly doubt AMD would do).... The number of TMUs could've been cut down even more, proportion-wise (which seems to be the norm these days, as the shader count is the most important thing).
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2848/radeon-rx-480
144 TMUs rumored, hmmm... 182.3 GTexels/s, compared to R9 390X's 184.8 GTexel/s - no change there at all, really. So I'm puzzled..
We'll see soon anyway - too much speculation and hot air that I need a fan.. My bet is that it'd still need considerable overclocking to truly beat a 390X overall.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - ocre - 06-02-2016
(06-01-2016, 12:44 PM)BenSkywalker Wrote: 《Snip》
It's amassing how much effort was put in scrutiny when it came to the pascal launch 10 event. I mean, just about everything that was said. Even if it was true (and for the most part the claims were generally true), they would flip and manipulate insisting that every Nvidia claim was an outrageous lie. Money says that amd won't get anywhere near that kind of treatment. And when someone does break up amd exaggeration, these trolls will say...Nvidia did it with pascal so it's no big deal. Yet, every thing Nvidia said about pascal, they have been attacked on...it was made into this huge deal.
And for the most part, Nvidia wasn't making wild claims. You know, the 1080 performance they projected, compared to the titan x-- Nvidia actually stated the lower than what a lot of reviewers found. It's pretty crazy cause I expected Nvidia's general performance increase claim to be best case but it wasnt. All the amd troopers were mocking and had all their guns loaded...then reviews showed the 1080 beating Nvidia's projected increase over the titan x.
So then red team forces switched the script...
They would go on calling Nvidia lies and throwing up the faster than a 980 sli statement. This was spread across many forums. But it turned out that there were reviewers who found the 1080 was faster than 980sli. There was then the claim, well that was in one game. Then there were reviews showing that 1080 beat the 980sli on average across many games. Then they came back saying, "in only 3 resolutions", "only by a few percent so it doesn't count", "some other twilight zone response".
It was mass delusion.
They were posting a single game benchmark where the 980sli was faster and saying "see Huang lied"...
I mean, the 1080 and 1070 have been dogged on from every angle, no matter how ridiculous and insane the slam...it's been across every site and forum. A huge effort. And all I can do is sit here shocked. Cause WTF? How can things play in their favor from here on out. All the bad things they say about Nvidia a pathetic node gains and power consumption....almost every thing they used to dog the gp104 on.....it's mind blowing to me....cause Polaris is a freaking joke compared to the gp104. A laughing stock. It's the most pathetic node shrink ever. And the fact that it is smaller than the gp104, if you adjust the node size 16 vs 14. You are looking at a chip that is not that much smaller. Polaris can't hold a candle to pascal. Transistor vs performance, performance vs watt, per per mm^2, performance vs last gen...we are talking about a total slaughter.
All this downing and dissing of the gp104 while Polaris is actually multitudes worse in every way.
The fact that amd will have to try to sell these things a dirt cheap prices, they are actually trying to spin that as some advantage!!! WTF!!
Amd budget brand will be selling massively inferior chips for bargain bin prices....what an advantage.
As for their 80% claim, amd saying that 80% buy cheap low end cards-------
That looks funny because you aren't looking at it tight. See, those are amd figures.
IT VERY WELL MAY BE TRUE THAT 80% OF THE CARDS AMD SELLS ARE IN THE LOW BUDGET VALUE RANGE.
Look at the brand.
I am willing to wager that 90% of the folks parading amd and trashing Nvidia...those bashers, bet you most of them don't spend much money at all buying their products.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - RolloTheGreat - 06-02-2016
(06-01-2016, 12:44 PM)BenSkywalker Wrote:Quote:I am just having trouble seeing how this is looking good to some people.
I think you are confused, AMD pays people to say nice things about their products, I don't think anyone is actually a big enough idiot to believe it.
This chip is looking to be inferior to the 390, and markedly so. For those stuck at gaming @1080p60Hz, the first option to increase visual fidelity is normally to crank up AA- this part has less bandwidth than the original R280x which came out @$299 in 2013 and just edges out the 7970 that hit in 2011.
Five years of progress..... really? Don't get me wrong, as the bottom wrung of your product stack this wouldn't be abhorrent, but if they like it or not, this is their halo part. Consider image reinforced AMD- if you are on food stamps- buy our parts.....
Another interesting thing to note, people have been hammering for a while now the importance of VR- AMD's viral marketers- and now they have to spin how this thing is going to handle 1080P @180Hz- you know, VR's target.
This is looking like in most situations it will have lower performance than the 290, unless they have made some major architectural changes(doesn't appear that way, but it is within the realm of possibility).
So, AMD spends the better part of year hyping up a product that is looking to be almost as fast as their fifth fastest part from last year.......
You can't even make this shit up, these people are so bad at their jobs it is utterly shocking.
Looks like AMD has the shill "reporters" at AT on board too- "80% of all graphics card purchases are in the value range"- really? When? Because the 970 has smacked the taste out of everything's mouth this generation- if you look over the Steam survey the 970/80/80Ti are a bit over 7% of the total market(going back to the age of the dinosaurs) while the 960/950 are about 4.5%. Even if we do a solid and try to twist the fuck out of the argument, add in all the R9 200 series parts and act like they are all in that price range the expensive parts *still* come out 0.9% absolute ahead(15% relative).
This was true years ago- now Intel ships strong enough integrated solutions for solid gaming for the casuals- it isn't like you can't play a game without a discrete GPU now- hell even Overwatch is playable on Intel's integrated parts(mind you, not to *our* standards, but it seems to run in the ~30FPS range without an issue). That is the biggest PC game released in quite a while. Obviously, we aren't playing Crysis 3 @4K max everything, but the fact of the matter is the people who used to buy those budget parts are now largely served by integrated solutions. The elitist prick ass holes who think PC gaming is a gift only those diving enlightened few(you know, us) take part in, they pay for the big shit. Hell, they may still be rocking a GTX 280, but they aren't likely to upgrade to a $199 anything.
As usual, your assessment is pretty spot on.
AMD won't be selling these Polaris cards to people who hang around on forums, like I said, they've all had this level of performance for some time. These parts will be a small part of the pre-built machine market, and probably the next console chips.
EVERYONE in the add in board market will be buying 1070s and 1080s and all AMD can do is watch.
The fact NVIDIA has big Pascal running in the super computer market already means they "could" launch big Pascal today as well, so by the time AMD gets around to competing with 1080s, NVIDIA will just stomp them flat with a new Titan or 1080Ti. (not to mention my guess is they have plenty of room to slash 1070/1080 prices and make Vegas look like a bad buy)
How would you like to be an AMD shill these days Ben? "You enthusiasts don't really want performance! You all lost your jobs and want to buy a cheap new card with the same or less performance than you've had for years right?"
Pretty hard to get excited about R290 level performance in June 2016. Three years ago? Sure. Now? Not so much.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - ocre - 06-03-2016
While at the same time, bash the 1070 for only beating the titan x by just barely for less than 400 bucks.
Also, you have to say Nvidia got pathetic results from their new node while praising am for getting significantly less from their 14nm node.
Say the most illogical and dimwitted things, like "I am glad amd didn't have to push up the clocks on their design right off the bat" somehow...no matter how insane...claim that this low clock speed is an advantage. See, cause amd can increase higher clocked cards later on and this makes them better.
Here is the strangest part of all of this. These freaking morons go on parading the slow amd card as some kind of super advantage cause amd has special insight...like you know, no one ever thought about low to mid range gpus before. Like amd invented this market with polaris.
What they heck are these guys smoking?
Do they honestly not know that Nvidia will release lower tier products, that the gp106 will come to market? I mean, how is it an advantage that the only thing amd will have for many months is these low budget tier cards? Nvidia will have a top to bottom stack.
Polaris is not gonna be the only lower tier option. What the heck are they thinking?
Here is my thoughts.
Polaris will not have the low end all by itself. Nvidia will release gp106 which will compete directly with the 480. Amd troopers will say that it's some magical way that Nvidia launch gp106 after the polaris makes Nvidia inferior. Even though Nvidia will have a top to bottom stack, from cards that demolish anything amd has to cards that perform on par. But this somehow will be spun as a disaster for Nvidia.
Vega is not coming in Oct. This is just a ploy to try to hold off gp104 adoption. If they get peop6to hold off that long, they will then start over saying....Vega is just around the corner.
Also, Vega will not be all that powerful compared to the 1080. Amd has a long way to go on order to top the new geforce. Vega looks to be a die shrink fiji, they need higher clocks to best the 1080. So, they will be lucky to notch it out.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - RolloTheGreat - 06-03-2016
(06-03-2016, 12:42 PM)ocre Wrote: While at the same time, bash the 1070 for only beating the titan x by just barely for less than 400 bucks.
Also, you have to say Nvidia got pathetic results from their new node while praising am for getting significantly less from their 14nm node.
Say the most illogical and dimwitted things, like "I am glad amd didn't have to push up the clocks on their design right off the bat" somehow...no matter how insane...claim that this low clock speed is an advantage. See, cause amd can increase higher clocked cards later on and this makes them better.
Here is the strangest part of all of this. These freaking morons go on parading the slow amd card as some kind of super advantage cause amd has special insight...like you know, no one ever thought about low to mid range gpus before. Like amd invented this market with polaris.
What they heck are these guys smoking?
Do they honestly not know that Nvidia will release lower tier products, that the gp106 will come to market? I mean, how is it an advantage that the only thing amd will have for many months is these low budget tier cards? Nvidia will have a top to bottom stack.
Polaris is not gonna be the only lower tier option. What the heck are they thinking?
Here is my thoughts.
Polaris will not have the low end all by itself. Nvidia will release gp106 which will compete directly with the 480. Amd troopers will say that it's some magical way that Nvidia launch gp106 after the polaris makes Nvidia inferior. Even though Nvidia will have a top to bottom stack, from cards that demolish anything amd has to cards that perform on par. But this somehow will be spun as a disaster for Nvidia.
Vega is not coming in Oct. This is just a ploy to try to hold off gp104 adoption. If they get peop6to hold off that long, they will then start over saying....Vega is just around the corner.
Also, Vega will not be all that powerful compared to the 1080. Amd has a long way to go on order to top the new geforce. Vega looks to be a die shrink fiji, they need higher clocks to best the 1080. So, they will be lucky to notch it out.
This is all pretty accurate.
They're not smoking anything, they're getting something and they're likely people that "need" what they get.
I never had a household income below $100,000 when I was in the Focus Group, and either my wife or I could always afford the basic bills (mortgage/cars/utilities) so I could always afford the latest video card. This, plus the fact NV always gave me stuff that was arguably the best, made it pretty easy for me to say "This is really good stuff." with a clear conscience. (and I never said anything I didn't consider true about the parts)
But what if you are a person who can't easily buy the parts?
What if you're some guy living on your own working at Geek Squad making $40K a year and most of that goes to rent/car/food?
If you're THAT guy getting a few $500 video cards a year and some games is a big deal, you might not be able to get the stuff at all without AMD donating it.
That guy might "sell out" and say seemingly crazy stuff like we're seeing because it's that or watch everyone else playing with the toys you can't afford and don't have much hope for.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - RolloTheGreat - 06-03-2016
Note:
I don't condone what they are doing, but I understand it.
It is hard times for a lot of people starting out, especially if they lack the work experience to earn a good wage.
The culture is a "spend and spend some more" culture, and it's hard to spend what you don't have. The hobby demands upgrades every couple years at least.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SickBeast - 06-03-2016
Speaking of the AnandTech forums and the shills, I just had a look at my old Radeon 6850 card that I bought used off the ATF, and it turns out that it's an engineering sample! It says "not for resale" and "made in Canada"! So it looks like the person I bought it from may have had some kind of connection to AMD. I only found out because I've been trying to sell the card on the used market and a buyer asked me the model number so I had a look.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - RolloTheGreat - 06-03-2016
(06-03-2016, 06:45 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Speaking of the AnandTech forums and the shills, I just had a look at my old Radeon 6850 card that I bought used off the ATF, and it turns out that it's an engineering sample! It says "not for resale" and "made in Canada"! So it looks like the person I bought it from may have had some kind of connection to AMD. I only found out because I've been trying to sell the card on the used market and a buyer asked me the model number so I had a look.
I'd reply "Which user was it?" but these days it could have been 90% of them.
AMD discrete market share: 20%
Pro AMD/Anti NVIDIA posts on tech forums: 90%
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - ocre - 06-03-2016
(06-03-2016, 06:45 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Speaking of the AnandTech forums and the shills, I just had a look at my old Radeon 6850 card that I bought used off the ATF, and it turns out that it's an engineering sample! It says "not for resale" and "made in Canada"! So it looks like the person I bought it from may have had some kind of connection to AMD. I only found out because I've been trying to sell the card on the used market and a buyer asked me the model number so I had a look.
Wholly shit!!!!
That's freaking amassing. Selling their cards the shill so hard to get.
It really doesn't matter what the user name was because it seems that most of these guys have multiple accounts. I know there are many high volume traders in the FOR SALE threads that don't post with that account anywhere else. Most of the frequent sellers in the trade/sell sections are uncommon names that you just don't see in the other forums.
I thought this to be odd, as it is something I have noticed a good while ago....
So now, it might make a little more sense.
If they are receiving products like the one you got sickbeast, they probably aren't supposed to be selling them. So of course they would not want a direct link to the user names that shill with.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - ocre - 06-04-2016
(06-03-2016, 05:45 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: Note:
I don't condone what they are doing, but I understand it.
It is hard times for a lot of people starting out, especially if they lack the work experience to earn a good wage.
The culture is a "spend and spend some more" culture, and it's hard to spend what you don't have. The hobby demands upgrades every couple years at least.
The AMD shilling, advocates, red team, etc is not something new. It's not shocking, I get it. But what has me blown away is the level it has grown to, in order of magnitudes. Especially intriguing considering that in this recent period of exponential expansion, the market share values for AMD have fallen and fallen to ultra low levels, all time low. It is now to the point that it mirrors the tragedy of their CPU crash to which they have never recovered. 20% vs 80% intel. AMD has sunk below 20% in PC CPU markets and has been stuck in this now for decades.
We see their gpus sink to 20% last year. Many claimed it was a result of AMD purging out over stock that they had built up. Then another quarter and the claim was made that cripto mining had flooded the market with used cards and that for what ever reason, these used cards in the market only hurt AMD sales. After that, I am not sure what bologna was used as an excuse. The wild claim that used cripto mining cards had flooded the market, that this was responsible for AMD market share plunges....it was pretty illogical. See, there was this problem with that claim: none of it added up.
This cripto mining boom, we all heard about it but looking at the data from quarter to quarter.....
It just doesn't show. AMD lost market share over and over, before and throughout the cripto mining time....for many months...quarters then years. AMD lost market consistently, they were lucky if they just held on from one quarter to the next as the trend is clearly defined in AMD market share dipping and dipping: trending down and down.
There was no huge uptick. No data to show a cripto mining boom. It was just something made up to try to explain the fact the drop off in 3rd party and AMD cards on the market. Stock was not being replaced and people claimed this shortage was due to a mass demand from cripto mining. The reality, AMD partners were having a very difficult time selling AMD cards, a drop in demand had caused vendors and partners to readjust. They needed to be careful to not over produce/over order. The drop in inventory and stock was most likely an attempt to reassess demand. Another reason could be that AMD had a massive supply issue which there are rumors of ddr5 shortages when the ps4 launched. Regardless, there was no indication at all that AMD had this huge uptick in volume due to cripto mining. The reality is in AMD market share over the time period. Yet, at the time if the skimpy stock, the market share for that particular quarter wasn't known so this misinformation and lie could spread.
The crazy thing!! Eventually the market share and numbers where known. Just a few months later. Yet after more time passed, another quarter where AMD had another drop in volume and marketshare , this lie grew a knew face. Enough time had passed, they used cripto mining again to explain AMD woes. This time, it was used cripto cards that were so numerous and popular that they affected AMD sales and caused a drop in marketshare.
Yet, there was never any data to show AMD had a huge surge of sales that was supposed have been the source for the loss in sales several quarters later.
I think the doubling down from AMD in the viral attack is very interesting. Because AMD has nothing to counter Nvidia at this point, these attacks are just bad for PC gaming in general. The things they are saying and trying to spread, it's potentially damaging to the industry. It's kamikaze...I don't even know if they realize this, in their wide spread attack to desperately stop new GeForce purchases. Many of those things they are saying, they will apply to AMD 14nm cards as well. It's bad for pc gaming and AMD troopers are leading this strange charge
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - SteelCrysis - 06-04-2016
More info on the RX 480 Crossfire demo: http://videocardz.com/60860/amd-explains-image-quality-in-aots-radeon-rx-480-cf-vs-gtx-1080-demonstration
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - BenSkywalker - 06-06-2016
Quote:How would you like to be an AMD shill these days Ben?
To be perfectly honest, I'm disappointed with what nVidia has shown us- I couldn't in good faith try to pimp their wares at the moment- and it is downright embarrassing how badly they have obliterated AMD in this round. I can't even fathom trying to put a good spin on this shit- they are seriously resorting to AoTS CF benches against a single stock 1080- I mean, really? Some of the guys over at AT have posted their own results showing that it is falling in line with R290- no x, performance. That was a $400 part three years ago- and that's your halo...... ouch.
Quote:It's not shocking, I get it. But what has me blown away is the level it has grown to, in order of magnitudes.
The part that gets my blood boiling is that the mods are either in on the action, or some of the dumbest mother fuckers on the internet. I saw someone point out what AMD shills have been claiming for months, mod gives him a warning for trolling. He wasn't embellishing or even using the more extreme examples- he was using the mainstream FUD they were spewing for months on end. You simply aren't allowed to call out their bullshit. I think part of it may be the mods are even less knowledgeable than the shills themselves, which takes some doing. They don't understand that they are just flat out liars spewing bullshit to sell product- or they are shills themselves. I'd like to know which it is, perhaps that AMD sponsorship Anand had going before he became an Apple drone spilled over to the forums.
The mods let everyone jump on Rollo and Keys to an insane degree- a level you likely couldn't even quote today without the ban hammer coming down today. Sickening. Put these guys on a forum where they can't hide like little bitches- seriously, if you guys see them on one let me know- I'll shred 'em.
I like how every year they have some fairy tale to sell- Mantel, FreeSync and now Async- and none of them ever pan out(well, FreeSync at least is a legit improvement over non GSynch panels- Mantle was a rip off of a run of the mill console API they act like AMD invented and Async compute is a console necessity due to sub cell phone CPUs, and a joke for desktops outside of RTSs). Try to point their abhorrent PR track record though- mod steps in threatening a ban. Meh, too bad ATF is now a viral marketing site dedicated to protecting AMD's interests.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - RolloTheGreat - 06-06-2016
It's all part of the death of the tech forum industry, IMO.
The review sites and tech forums always were a marketing vehicle, and a pretty clever one if you think about it. Paid advertisers and those being advertised to think they're reading some sort of "Consumer Reports" like site and becoming Jr. techs themselves.
It's pretty funny watching them, "Nuh-uh! The new improved texture compression on teh 480 will EASILY add 5% to the 390 performance, and that plus the 14nm die size will mean a part that is within 10% of a 1080 for 1/3 the cost!"
Uh huh. What they should be saying is, "Im not a tech, but I play one on the internet.".
You're actually one of VERY few people who could have been a chip tech or software person on the forums Ben, the rest don't have the intelligence.
Here's a funny personal example: My wife arranged a dinner with a friend from work and his wife in my younger years. I bored the Hell out of these poor folks babbling about the specs of my new 3DFX Voodoo add in board. (about the only good thing that came out of that shameful phase of my existence is that I ended up getting some legit tech skills at my work that I can make a living with)
Ooops, I'm on a tech forum, I should be posting:
"Aaarf aarf shaders, bark bark bark ROPS,aaarf arrf arrff async compute, yapyapyap code to the metal..."
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - BoFox - 06-07-2016
LOL..
$199 for Polaris with 4GB actually isn't too shabby of a purchase - that is, if it's within 5% of the 390X's performance.
On the other hand, if it doesn't really beat a 290 non-X by much at all, then it's almost too embarrassing.
A lot remains to be seen, especially with how overclockable it is (if it overclocks just as well as Pitcairn HD 7850/7870's did). HD 7850's, although hardly any faster than HD 5870, gained some popularity due to its overclockability - even when priced at over $200.
If it can be overclocked by say, 15-20%, beating a 390X by around 10% or so, while using only a single 6-pin power connector, then I'd expect it to be just as popular as the HD 7850 ever was. Keep in mind that the 7870 launched at a whopping $349 MSRP - a big whopping mistake by AMD.
AMD really has to give the gamers what they want (low prices) this time around, or AMD is doomed.
RE: AMD Computex Presentation - ocre - 06-07-2016
I don't know rollo. There was a time not so long ago that the forums were way more than a marketing tool. They were full of real people who had a common interest in technology. Geeks.
For the most part, the world was lonely for people who loved the technology and we're excited about computers. Connecting online with others, it was satisfying. Bulletin Boards grew into forums.
This was a very real and amassing connection. For the longest time, it was mostly just regular people. Marketing invaded but it still was a place to connect with others. there were far more regular people.
I have no idea how many people you guys had on your team but even at your highest, the forums were nothing like they are today.
Things have never been to this degree. I blame the aggressive AMD flooding of advocates and the raise in other popular forms of social media, forums have sunk and sunk to the worthless state they are today.
There is no fight these days, AMD has sunk and its to the point that their gpu segment has ended up just as bad in shape as their cpu. Intel is to amd what nvidia is to amds gpu department.
This bickering and fighting on forums is artificial. Very few people buy AMD gpus. No one plays AoTs.
It's not even that async works great in RTS games, it's just an implementation that was tailor made to try to exploit specific a GCN function. The entire game/benchmark was built just for that. The graphics are so terrible they could be reproduced on a Sega dreamcast. Probably a ds.
It's not a good game, it's not catching on. No one plays it but it's in every sites benchmark suit and is talked about in every forum on Andy page dealing with nvidia.
It's just a fake conversation. An AMD marketing creation they use in their slides and at their event. They have their ultra huge forum force use this info and they repeat the same nonsense...say the same things just a million different ways. The same thing, across the sites, across the globe, in different languages.
And ben, there is no doubt in my mind that the mods are 100% in on it, at least on certain sites. Especially Anand. It's not that they are dumb