Quote:The RX 480 is just one GPU, and we’ve already discussed how different cards can see very different levels of performance improvement depending on the game in question — the R9 Nano picks up 12% additional performance from enabling versus disabling async compute in Ashes of the Singularity, whereas the RX 480 only sees a 3% performance uplift from the same feature. Nvidia has not released a statement indicating whether or not the company expects to see a performance uplift from using Vulkan or which GPUs it expects to see the most benefit but testing by Guru3D suggests that the 1070 is completely flat in Vulkan vs. OpenGL. Guru3D’s testing also shows that the RX 480’s performance improvements are in-line with AMD’s claims.

One of the most significant differences between Nvidia and AMD over the past 12 months has been their approach to next-generation APIs. AMD has prominently talked about DirectX 12 and Vulkan at every opportunity. That’s partly because both APIs are closely related to AMD’s Mantle, which debuted a bit less than three years’ ago, but it’s also because DX12 has often improved AMD’s GPU performance relative to Nvidia. Team Green, in contrast, has had comparatively little to say about the API shift. Pascal’s vastly improved preemption capabilities obviated the performance hit that Maxwell took in some asynchronous compute scenarios, but Nvidia isn’t really putting much of a PR push behind the API shift. Visit the DirectX 12 section on GeForce.com and there’s just one title listed there, and nothing about games like Hitman, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Ashes of the Singularity, or Doom itself.

We’re not implying that Nvidia isn’t committed to DirectX 12, but the company’s public messaging on low-overhead APIs has been anemic these past 11 months. Pascal’s excellent performance has given Nvidia the overall lead at the top of the market, but there are millions of 28nm GPUs from Teams Red and Green still in the field. 28nm GPU performance in DX12 is going to be a topic that people care about for a long time to come, and AMD’s overall messaging on that topic has been stronger than Nvidia’s thus far.

(07-17-2016, 12:55 AM)24601 Wrote:

(07-14-2016, 06:23 AM)ocre Wrote: Vulkan is the API closest to mantle.  It's so close that it looks so similar you could be fooled by just looking at the code.

Not sure what nvidia would do but we do have examples of mantle in the past, nvidia was able to match and surpass what amd could achieve.  So, I dont think they will be helpless.  

But still, I am pretty sure that amd has a lot more to gain, it's their hardware that prompted them to come up with mantle.  Nvidia will have to let go some of their secrets or go and work closely with the games that they want the best results from.

We are talking about completely different designs, architectures that work completely different, and rhe results of this API which was based on mantle...which, it is based on GCN.

It shouldn't be a surprise that GCN gets a bigger boost, vulkan is very very close to mantle

Nvidia will have to let go of their close secrets to have a low level API take advantage of their architectures the same way.  I am not sure they are tasty to do that yet.

People seem to think AMD have the money to buy developers forever.

They forget that they have just ceded all of the 14/16nm generation to Nvidia.

When Zen fails to live up to it's hype, it's cutting time again.

Also I'm permabanned from ATF again.

The paid shills just can't handle my superiority to them, as always.

BTW, finally deleted Anandtech Reviews from my RSS feed. Holding 1080 and 1070 reviews hostage until AMD releases is pure cancer. And they don't do any decent reviews of anything other than videocards anyways.