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What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-02-2017
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fx-5800-failure.1538536/page-2
Rollo Wrote:You can rest assured that when ATI someday figures out how to build it's second generation DX9 part, it will be better than it's predecessor too? ;-)
I've never said the nV3X line was better than the R300 line, because it's not.
What I've always said is that the difference in gaming, at playable settings is not great enough to warrant this ridiculous fanboy monkey spanking over a card that was marginally better.
You guys act like the 9700Pro was the R520 and 5800U was a S3 Virge.
Unlike 99.9999% of you, I had both and can tell you for the most part you couldn't tell the difference with the counter off, except for the tiny hairdryer whine of the FlowFX.
BTW- while you're right that 53 vs 45 at UT2003 is a 17% victory for the 9700Pro, most UT2003 players who like to survive would never play at either?
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fx-5800-ultra-video.1264098/page-3
Rollo Wrote:Why? Just to prove your point?
No, I just like to try out video cards, and this one is interesting.
And even if that is true, don't you care about future dx9 games?
Not much, if they ever come out I have two fall back plans: 1. My four year old doesn't really care what's in his box, so I could just get the 9800Pro back 2. If I need a card to run a game well, I'll buy it
Maybe today there aren't many dx9 games that make this difference as you say, but what about the next year?
Unless you plan to upgrade again with the new generation cards.This is another story.
If history is any teacher, whatever is in my box early this year won't be next year. I only tried 3 video cards in my main computer last year, a record low for me. (9700Pro/5800NU/9800Pro)
Here I straight out say I'm looking for the 5800U to try because I won't be using it long and I'll have a 9800Pro anyway, just wanted to try one. (and the guy I'm talking to says there aren't many DX9 games out now, go figure)
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fx-5800-vs-9500-pro.1232263/
Rollo Wrote:Anyway these cards are so close to equal it's not worth the trade
There I am telling a guy to keep his 9500Pro over a FX5800.
Rollo Wrote:Anway, it wasn't a bad card, just not as good as the 9700.
Looks to me like there's only one liar in this thread, named Sick Beast. Still waiting for those quotes where I'm saying the FX5800 Ultra is a better card than the 9800 Pro or 9700 Pro.
Looks to me like I only said they aren't as bad as fanboys say they are.
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RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-02-2017
You need to let it go, Rollo. You can cherry pick quotes all that you want. I already showed you another one where you basically "LOL'ed" at all the people who said the 9700 Pro was better than the 5800.
I don't really have the time for it but I'm sure I could find a boatload of quotes of you saying bad things about the 9700 and good things about the 5800. The fact is you were a shill and you said anything you could to make ATi look bad and nVidia look good. Now that you are no longer a shill, the least you could do would be to fess up and admit that a lot of what you said was twisted versions of the truth, at best.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-02-2017
(04-02-2017, 08:02 PM)SickBeast Wrote:
You need to let it go, Rollo. You can cherry pick quotes all that you want. I already showed you another one where you basically "LOL'ed" at all the people who said the 9700 Pro was better than the 5800.
I don't really have the time for it but I'm sure I could find a boatload of quotes of you saying bad things about the 9700 and good things about the 5800. The fact is you were a shill and you said anything you could to make ATi look bad and nVidia look good. Now that you are no longer a shill, the least you could do would be to fess up and admit that a lot of what you said was twisted versions of the truth, at best.
More lies from the weasel of the North.
You posted one thread in which I said a guy buying a 5800 Ultra must not have read all the posts saying it sucks. (and LOLing at that)
VERY different than saying the 5800 Ultra is better than ATi cards. Not even close.
http://techreport.com/review/4966/nvidia-geforce-fx-5800-ultra-gpu/7
http://techreport.com/review/4966/nvidia-geforce-fx-5800-ultra-gpu/8
http://techreport.com/review/4966/nvidia-geforce-fx-5800-ultra-gpu/9
The FX5800 Ultra clearly won a lot of benchmarks at commonly used resolutions and settings in those days.
All I ever said is that it wasn't as bad as people said, and that there were versions of it that were cooler and quieter:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Leadtek+A300+ultra&tbm=isch&imgil=a5g6TpQ4atWuOM%253A%253B-ttFhezO92Gl8M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.tomshardware.com%25252Freviews%25252Fvga-card-buyer%25252C653-58.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=a5g6TpQ4atWuOM%253A%252C-ttFhezO92Gl8M%252C_&usg=__R8s-dl7RdnxkBwayCmh8q2DjQK0%3D&biw=1600&bih=773&dpr=1&ved=0ahUKEwiRoOauj4bTAhVP2GMKHR8fBmQQyjcIOA&ei=Eh3hWJHPFs-wjwOfvpigBg#imgrc=a5g6TpQ4atWuOM:&spf=191
I never lied about tech when in the Focus Group, and you can't link to me doing so....liar.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-02-2017
Here's more for you, Rollo:
Quote:You guys go on and on and on about this supposed ATI superiority last gen (not that it matters much these days- pretty easy to see who holds the performance and technology lead this year) and yet you offer nothing in support of your generalizations.By "last gen" you were referring to the 9700 Pro vs the FX5800. You remained "unconvinced". I suppose now you'll twist that one around as well.
I remain unconvinced- you telling me something is so isn't enough to make me believe it, you'll need to back it up with facts and benchmarks, something woefully lacking in your "arguments".
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fx-5800-failure.1538536/
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-03-2017
(04-02-2017, 09:56 PM)SickBeast Wrote: Here's more for you, Rollo:
Quote:You guys go on and on and on about this supposed ATI superiority last gen (not that it matters much these days- pretty easy to see who holds the performance and technology lead this year) and yet you offer nothing in support of your generalizations.By "last gen" you were referring to the 9700 Pro vs the FX5800. You remained "unconvinced". I suppose now you'll twist that one around as well.
I remain unconvinced- you telling me something is so isn't enough to make me believe it, you'll need to back it up with facts and benchmarks, something woefully lacking in your "arguments".
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fx-5800-failure.1538536/
That's actually a REALLY good link to what my position on FX5800 was in those days. If you read all my posts in that thread, I stand by that today. (as I did then) FX5800s traded benchmarks at popular games and even where 9700/9800s were faster, it usually wasn't by a lot.
I straight out say the memory bandwidth and shaders weren't as good in that thread, and that the cards were still fairly close at AA/AF. (and challenge the fanboys to give me 4 DX9 titles within a year of FX5800 release- which you'll note they did not do)
So yeah, you're still a weasel liar.
(but thanks for posting this thread that basically proves me right!)
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-03-2017
It's nice to see Rollo continues to resort to name calling when anyone posts anything that is either unflattering to him or disagrees with anything he says.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-03-2017
(04-03-2017, 01:42 AM)SickBeast Wrote: It's nice to see Rollo continues to resort to name calling when anyone posts anything that is either unflattering to him or disagrees with anything he says.
I admit, it was the nuclear option.
To be called a "weasel"! Heavens to Betsy! This kind of malicious profanity has no place on the forums, let alone on the planet!
Are you OK? I mean, not a danger to yourself or anything?
I don't know what I was thinking to throw the "w" bomb!
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-03-2017
(04-03-2017, 09:23 AM)gstanford Wrote: Rollo, your AF + AA arguments in the past and here are laughable frankly.
nvidia most certainly did have a number of drivers for GeForceFX that deliberately "optimized" (read "cheated") AF quality by a number of methods. This is before the drivers that had selectable sampling optimizations builtin and user choosable.
The GeForceFX AA is decent enough and very flexible as per usual with nvidia, but it used ordered-grid sampling positions, not rotated-grid sampling positions as r300 and derivatives used as well as nv40/g7x/g8x/Gt2xx or sparse-grid sampling positions like modern nvidia gpu's use.
This was balanced out by ATi's AF taking shortcuts like angle-dependence (nv40/g7x sadly did this too) and by their own AF optimizations (using bilinear for samples when they should be using trilinear).
So your post #16 in particular is ridiculous, since although nv30 may have roughly kept up in terms of fps, it looked far worse IQ wise thanks to nvidia's cheating drivers and if the drivers weren't cheating the fps would be far lower.
https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/fx-5800-failure.1538536/#post-14742607
You were simply trolling and lying your arse off there, just like you do all the time here.
GStan:
1. It's easier to speak of things in past, that might have been proven after the past posts were made.
2. As often as I've proved you wrong, you should realize it's possible I was just wrong.
I've never lied about anything on the forums except my membership in the original focus group, and that was against my wishes. I was voted down by the other group members at the time, so the decision was made that we remain "undercover". However; I did whatever I could to let people know I was connected to NVIDIA by posting items from my "friend at NVIDIA". NVIDIA actually let me break some news on NDA stuff back in those days for whatever their reasons. I also posted I had parts and games before they were available for retail sale.
Anyone that thought I wasn't connected to NVIDIA in those days wasn't reading ATVF.
(which pissed off the rest of the group who were much more low key)
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-04-2017
I have to say it's refreshing to hear Rollo admit he was wrong, even though it was a hypothetical. Baby steps.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-04-2017
(04-03-2017, 11:53 PM)gstanford Wrote: Yep, you most certainly were wrong, whether accidentally or with malicious intent I don't precisely know, but I will say you could easily see the quality difference between r300 and nv30, but, you supposedly can't see quality differences between PS4 and XBONE.....
Not only were you wrong, but you sat there in that thread and ridiculed and belittled the posters who told you that you were wrong, just like you do here all the time.
Huh?
Why would I say incorrect information with "malicious intent"?
If I was wrong, I was wrong honestly and to the best of my knowledge. I used to always post, "Please post contrary evidence if I'm wrong, and I'll change my post".
Online, and in real life, it's very important to me to be correct.
I wouldn't lie intentionally for NVIDIA or anyone.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-04-2017
I'd also note NVIDIA insisted we post accurate info as best we could, including bad. They didn't want us to be a disinformation campaign.
I probably would have got cut if I did what you're suggesting GStan.
I would also note (again) I joined focus group for the 6800 generation. I was just talking to people about 5800s.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 06:11 AM)gstanford Wrote:Quote:Why would I say incorrect information with "malicious intent"?Because you were acting on behalf of nvidia to try and provide an impression of a product of theirs that was misleading at best and an outright lie at worst.
You knew you were wrong when you made those posts and deliberately made them anyway to shill for nvidia and receive compensation in one way or another from them in return for it.
LOL
OK, that's your theory that you can never prove.
Go figure- you speculate the worst possible scenario because you hate me. (and basically anyone else who went to university and ended up comfortable in life)
Reality was nothing like that Albert GStein.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 06:57 AM)gstanford Wrote: Sure it is the truth. You simply don't have the balls to man up and admit that is precisely what you did.
I'm betting you are actually a used car salesman or a door to door insurance salesman or a womens shoe seller in real life.
Believe whatever you like Albert GStein.
I'll keep on enjoying life and you can keep on raging.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 06:57 AM)gstanford Wrote: Sure it is the truth. You simply don't have the balls to man up and admit that is precisely what you did.
I'm betting you are actually a used car salesman or a door to door insurance salesman or a womens shoe seller in real life.
In your country, do guys with a couple University degrees usually work as shoe salesmen? I did manage a shoe store for a while when I was very young. (and as such sold women shoes) Was my first job out of college for about 8 months, until I got a job as a corporate sales rep where I got salary/commission/expenses and worked from home.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-04-2017
(04-04-2017, 08:43 PM)gstanford Wrote:(04-04-2017, 06:26 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(04-04-2017, 06:57 AM)gstanford Wrote: Sure it is the truth. You simply don't have the balls to man up and admit that is precisely what you did.
I'm betting you are actually a used car salesman or a door to door insurance salesman or a womens shoe seller in real life.
In your country, do guys with a couple University degrees usually work as shoe salesmen? I did manage a shoe store for a while when I was very young. (and as such sold women shoes) Was my first job out of college for about 8 months, until I got a job as a corporate sales rep where I got salary/commission/expenses and worked from home.
Did you go by the name of "Al Bundy" back then?
Actually my brother did call me Bundy then, the show was very popular at that time.
Wasn't where I wanted to be, but paid the bills while I looked for work.
As you have noted, for a lot of people their first job out of college isn't where they end up. At least being the manager I had staff to do the manual labor like stocking the shelves and cleaning the place. Wasn't terrible, but was pretty boring at times. Lots of cute girls though, store was by campus.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-05-2017
Wow this is interesting. First Rollo calls gstanford a shoe salesman and now it turns out Rollo even was one. I think this is the all time greatest thread at ABT.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 02:41 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Wow this is interesting. First Rollo calls gstanford a shoe salesman and now it turns out Rollo even was one. I think this is the all time greatest thread at ABT.
Yes, what a bombshell. I worked as a retail store manager for 8 months when I was in my 20s and looking for work.
It's not exactly cleaning toilets at Taco Bell.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 04:26 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(04-05-2017, 02:41 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Wow this is interesting. First Rollo calls gstanford a shoe salesman and now it turns out Rollo even was one. I think this is the all time greatest thread at ABT.
Yes, what a bombshell. I worked as a retail store manager for 8 months when I was in my 20s and looking for work.
It's not exactly cleaning toilets at Taco Bell.
Well there is also the fact that you kinda-sorta-hypothetically admitted to being "wrong" about the whole 5800 vs 9700 thing. So two bombshells really.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 04:35 AM)SickBeast Wrote:(04-05-2017, 04:26 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(04-05-2017, 02:41 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Wow this is interesting. First Rollo calls gstanford a shoe salesman and now it turns out Rollo even was one. I think this is the all time greatest thread at ABT.
Yes, what a bombshell. I worked as a retail store manager for 8 months when I was in my 20s and looking for work.
It's not exactly cleaning toilets at Taco Bell.
Well there is also the fact that you kinda-sorta-hypothetically admitted to being "wrong" about the whole 5800 vs 9700 thing. So two bombshells really.
If you say so.
Everyone is wrong at times, and if the image quality of the FX5800 is the best you've got I'm comfortable with that.
Everyone works at jobs that aren't anything to write home about at various points in their life. Wow, I guess you discovered I'm a normal person.
No shame in honest work, there is shame in collecting handouts from people doing honest work like you are always pimping SB.
When I was the shoe store manager my labor provided my food, shelter, transportation, health insurance. I guess you and GStan would "go on the dole" rather than do some "lowly" shoe related work?
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-05-2017
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 05:13 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(04-05-2017, 04:35 AM)SickBeast Wrote:(04-05-2017, 04:26 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(04-05-2017, 02:41 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Wow this is interesting. First Rollo calls gstanford a shoe salesman and now it turns out Rollo even was one. I think this is the all time greatest thread at ABT.
Yes, what a bombshell. I worked as a retail store manager for 8 months when I was in my 20s and looking for work.
It's not exactly cleaning toilets at Taco Bell.
Well there is also the fact that you kinda-sorta-hypothetically admitted to being "wrong" about the whole 5800 vs 9700 thing. So two bombshells really.
If you say so.
Everyone is wrong at times, and if the image quality of the FX5800 is the best you've got I'm comfortable with that.
Everyone works at jobs that aren't anything to write home about at various points in their life. Wow, I guess you discovered I'm a normal person.
No shame in honest work, there is shame in collecting handouts from people doing honest work like you are always pimping SB.
When I was the shoe store manager my labor provided my food, shelter, transportation, health insurance. I guess you and GStan would "go on the dole" rather than do some "lowly" shoe related work?
I never said there was any shame in it, ironically you did and now it backfired on you and you're trying to make me the bad guy.
I have been working since I was about 10 years old. I never stopped aside from a couple times when I got laid off. Sometimes I worked two jobs and other times I worked while supporting myself going to school. I will also say that there is *no* shame in going on social assistance if you need to. Most people pay into it their entire working lives. If you're sick, injured, or unable to work for a medical reason, I see absolutely no shame in it whatsoever.
Now, on the other hand, are there freeloaders who live off of and abuse the system? Absolutely. However I refuse to paint all people on social assistance with the same brush as you seem to enjoy doing. I really hope for your sake that you never fall on hard times Rollo. Because you could wind up becoming one of "them" quite easily. Easy come, easy go with money. It happens every day. The people going through that are having a hard enough time already. They don't need some loser like you calling them freeloaders or leeches.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SickBeast - 04-05-2017
By the way, Rollo, I'm calling you a loser for *all* the people out there who are down on their luck, going through hard times. All the people you continuously mock. You truly are a loser for making them out to be bad people just because they are injured, poor, sick, or unemployed.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - SteelCrysis - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 05:56 AM)SickBeast Wrote: By the way, Rollo, I'm calling you a loser for *all* the people out there who are down on their luck, going through hard times. All the people you continuously mock. You truly are a loser for making them out to be bad people just because they are injured, poor, sick, or unemployed.
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RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 05:56 AM)SickBeast Wrote: By the way, Rollo, I'm calling you a loser for *all* the people out there who are down on their luck, going through hard times. All the people you continuously mock. You truly are a loser for making them out to be bad people just because they are injured, poor, sick, or unemployed.
Very dramatic, but no.
I've been poor, I've been not poor. I don't mock anyone for being a working poor person.
I only say Obamacare shouldn't be for people who choose professions like prostitute, ebay entrepreneur, pothead pizza delivery boy. People like you and I don't owe THEM healthcare.
Everyone agrees that the very young, old, disabled deserve safety nets, and the unemployed do temporarily.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 06:42 AM)gstanford Wrote:(04-05-2017, 05:56 AM)SickBeast Wrote: By the way, Rollo, I'm calling you a loser for *all* the people out there who are down on their luck, going through hard times. All the people you continuously mock. You truly are a loser for making them out to be bad people just because they are injured, poor, sick, or unemployed.
Agree 1000%
And now we know why Trollo shilled for nvidia back in the day. College town shoe store managers don't earn much money and he needed a top up!
Probably why he has this conspicuous spending complex nowadays with cognac, cigars, new cars, new houses, consoles that only get used for TV watching. He's still desperately trying to erase the stains on his character of being a shoe salesman and getting his butt whooped by daddy for college partying/flunking.
The only question left is whether his wife is a spendaholic red-head or not!
Your post is usual GStan raging, not much method to the madness.
NVIDIA didn't exist until years after the shoe store job. I didn't know NVIDIA until years after that. I always had over six figures coming into my household while associated with NVIDIA, and in my area of the world, that means you can afford stuff like video cards. Used to cost me a ton to be in Focus Group because I was always buying hardware. Wanted to be sure I had the right stuff to do my benching and testing with. Always had two high end rigs running. E.G. They gave me one 3d monitor to test, I bought 5 more to have two different 3d surround setups. They'd give me one dual GPU card, I'd buy another to have Quad SLi. Etc.
The rest of this mess I'm not even going to comment on other than:
I probably have more cash flow than you, so my spending habits appear lavish to you. Hint: Your spending habits appear lavish to guys who make less than you, and lots of people I know make me look dirt poor. It's all relative, you just don't understand that because like a lot of people you have a hard time seeing beyond your own perspective.
RE: What did I ACTUALLY say about the FX5800? - RolloTheGreat - 04-05-2017
(04-05-2017, 06:12 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote:(04-05-2017, 05:56 AM)SickBeast Wrote: By the way, Rollo, I'm calling you a loser for *all* the people out there who are down on their luck, going through hard times. All the people you continuously mock. You truly are a loser for making them out to be bad people just because they are injured, poor, sick, or unemployed.
Seriously? The only people I mock are those who either A. Will take benefits instead of working two jobs to pay for their healthcare like I did back in the day. B. Choose illegal or asinine professions and expect those who didn't to pay for their healthcare. Like Apoppin. It's nice he wants to benchmark video cards all day for change, but that shouldn't mean the rest of us owe him a HMO. If benchmarking video cards is worthwhile, NVIDIA or his readers should buy his healthcare.