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10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 04-27-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-10nm-earnings-amd,36967.html Quote:Intel announced its financial results today, and although it posted yet another record quarter, the company unveiled serious production problems with its 10nm process. As a result, Intel announced that it is shipping yet more 14nm iterations this year. They'll come as Whiskey Lake processors destined for the desktop and Cascade Lake Xeons for the data center. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 05-02-2018 https://techreport.com/review/33579/intel-outlines-its-struggles-with-10-nm-chip-production Quote:Although Intel has said in the past that it was using self-aligned quad patterning as part of 10-nm production, Krzanich offered the eyebrow-raising prospect that the company has to employ as many as five or six multi-patterning steps to create certain 10-nm features in response to one analyst question. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 05-15-2018 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/269270-intels-first-10nm-cpus-have-been-spotted-in-the-wild Quote:As of this writing, it’s not clear if the Core i3-8121 is an unusual one-off or a sign that a few more SKUs might pop up here and there before the product line launches in wider volume. We’re in uncharted waters at this point. This is the first time we’ve seen Intel delayed so badly on a major product line, and the ramifications for overall development aren’t known. The Core i3-8121 isn’t a particularly impressive specimen, but given that we already know Intel’s 10nm development is troubled, it’s not fair to treat the CPU as a final verdict on Intel’s 10nm, either. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 05-17-2018 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/269390-intel-shares-new-details-on-10nm-delay-future-14nm-products Quote:These statements suggest an answer to what happened to Intel’s 10nm ramp and why it’s so late. Put simply, the company bit off more than it could chew. Intel’s node technology has always been ahead of TSMC, Samsung, or GlobalFoundries — a 14nm chip from Intel is roughly equivalent to a 10nm CPU from one of these companies. With 10nm, as shown on the slides above, Intel wanted to widen that gap and make up for the time it lost in delaying 10nm (note that this was before 10nm slid into 2019). RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 05-22-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/244393/in-wake-of-intels-10-nm-process-difficulties-analyst-firm-bumps-amds-share-outlook Quote:As a result of Intel's 10 nm difficulties, analyst firm Susquehanna, who recently downgraded AMD and NVIDIA shares on the expected lowered demand for graphics products from these companies in the wake of the first ever Ethereum ASIC, has now revised AMD's share strategy. Previously set at "Sell", the firm now rates AMD's shares as "Neutral" - specifically citing Intel's difficulties in ramping up the new process as simply giving AMD more chances to catch-up and surpass its blue counterpart. Susquehanna's Christopher Rolland published a note to clients stating basically that - that "We believe Intel's delay will help to maintain/improve AMD's competitiveness for their next generation of EPYC and Ryzen products", adding that "(...) for the first time in memory, AMD will compete at a similar process technology as Intel, a strong multi-year tailwind". RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 06-30-2018 https://www.techpowerup.com/245598/intel-10-nm-process-increases-transistor-density-by-2-7x-over-14-nm-report Quote:Its summary mentions quite a few juicy details of the 10 nm process. The biggest of these is the achievement of a 2.7-times increase in transistor density over the current 14 nm node, enabling Intel to cram up to 100.8 million transistors per square millimeter. A 127 mm² die with nothing but a sea of transistors, could have 12.8 billion transistors. Intel 10 nm node also utilizes third-generation FinFET technology, with a reduction in minimum gate pitch from 70 nm to 54 nm; and minimum metal pitch from 52 nm to 36 nm. 10 nm also sees Intel introduce metallization of cobalt in the bulk and anchor layers of the silicon substrate. Cobalt emerged as a good alternative to tungsten and copper as a contact material between layers, due to its lower resistance at smaller sizes, RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 07-27-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-10nm-ceo-earnings-datacenter,37518.html Quote:Intel responded to several analysts' questions on the state of its oft-delayed 10nm process. Swan announced that "Yields are improving consistent with the timeline we shared in April, and we expect systems on shelves for the 2019 holiday season." Earlier this year at CES 2018, Intel announced that it is shipping 10nm processors, but they turned out to be restricted China and came as low-end dual-core parts with a disabled integrated graphics engine. https://www.techpowerup.com/246306/intel-stuck-with-14nm-processors-till-holiday-2019 Quote:It's likely that "Whiskey Lake" will take Intel into 2019 after the company establishes performance leadership over 12 nm AMD "Pinnacle Ridge" with a new round of core-count increases. Intel is also squeezing out competitiveness in its HEDT segment by launching new 20-core and 22-core LGA2066 processors; and a new platform with up to 28 cores and broader memory interface. AMD, meanwhile, hopes to have the first 7 nm EPYC processors out by late-2018. Client-segment products based on its architecture, however, will follow the roll-out of these enterprise parts. We could see a point in 2019 when AMD launches its 7 nm 3rd generation Ryzen processors in the absence of competing 10 nm Core processors from Intel. Posted below is an Intel slide from 2013, when the company was expecting 10 nm rollout by 2015. That's how much its plans have derailed. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 10-18-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-10nm-delays-manufacturing-group,37940.html Quote:Intel announced that due to its manufacturing delays, it will split its manufacturing group into three different pieces. Sohail Ahmed, who has been working for Intel since 1984 and leading the manufacturing group since 2016, will quit next month. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 10-25-2018 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-10nm-process-killed-semiaccurate,37964.html Quote:Intel's unusually quick response is telling. The company certainly doesn't need any lingering questions surrounding its progress on its 10nm node, particularly as it nears its earnings call later this week. As an official dispatch from an Intel twitter account, the statement does hold all of the legal weight of any official Intel statement, and misleading statements to investors is a punishable offense. https://www.extremetech.com/computing/279306-intel-denies-media-reports-claiming-it-cancelled-its-10nm-process Quote:Unfortunately, it’s not possible to see the actual evidence SemiAccurate provides (archival link, the site is down) for its argument because that information is subscriber-only. It’s difficult, therefore, to test the evaluated claims. But the better question to ask, given the paucity of information, is this: Regardless of whether Intel canceled its previous 10nm process, would Intel walk away from being a leading-edge foundry? And the answer there is an obvious “No.” RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 11-30-2018 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/281402-does-it-matter-if-tsmc-dethrones-intel-and-takes-the-semiconductor-lead Quote:If you’d told me five years ago that Intel was about to stumble into arguably the worst manufacturing problems of its existence, I would have been surprised. Our 2012 story on why Intel leads (led) the world in semiconductor manufacturing now looks more like a historical retrospective than a confident projection of future trends. The company’s slip — and the potential consequences of that slip — have driven a lot of analysis over the past few years, some of it written by yours truly. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 12-10-2018 https://techreport.com/news/34312/intel-expresses-10-nm-and-7-nm-confidence-in-investor-q-a Quote:Renduchintala's comments on the company's work on 10-nm chips suggest interesting times lay ahead next year as the company begins introducing those products in volume. Renduchintala flatly contradicted the notion that the company has scaled back some of its ambitions for the 10-nm process in order to boost yields. In response to one question, the exec noted that "the power and performance and transistor density targets that we set in 2014 remain the same." That could mean Intel's first 10-nm products will still achieve a roughly 2.7x density improvement over its own 14-nm process. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 07-18-2019 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-ceo-cpu-shortage-company-aggression,39955.html Quote:Swan reportedly told attendees the 10nm delay was "somewhat a function of what we've been able to do in the past, which in essence was defying the odds," and that "at a time when it was getting harder and harder" the company "set a more and more aggressive goal." Intel had gotten used to being able to squeeze blood from rocks--or in its case money from silicon--but couldn't quite repeat the feat. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 07-18-2019 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/295159-intel-acknowledges-its-long-10nm-delay-caused-by-being-too-aggressive Quote:There’s no arguing the fact that Intel missed, and missed badly, on 10nm. It’s unquestionably going to impact the company’s finances and competitive position against AMD, which is enjoying a resurgence of its own. But when you step back and take a look at the entire semiconductor market across multiple companies, these kinds of things happen. It isn’t always driven by foundry issues, but when you toss in the possibility for designs to under-deliver, the metaphorical board lights up with examples. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 10-16-2019 https://www.techpowerup.com/260141/intel-clarifies-on-10nm-desktop-cpus-still-on-the-table-likely-in-2021 Quote:Intel in a quick rebuttal to the earlier reports from Monday, clarified that desktop processors based on the 10 nm silicon fabrication node are still on the company's roadmap. "We continue to make great progress on 10 nm, and our current roadmap of 10 nm products includes desktop," the company said in its one-liner. Monday's reports predicted a horror story where Intel would drag its 14 nm "Skylake" derived microarchitecture through to 2022, at which point it would be 7 years old. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 10-29-2019 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-10nm-7nm-process-leadership-xe-graphics-gpu-dg1 Quote:After the tumultuous 10nm transition, Intel is now bullish on its ability to move back to a regular Moore’s Law cadence for at least the next few process technologies. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 11-07-2019 https://www.techpowerup.com/260821/intel-cfo-talks-about-7nm-rollout-delay-in-10nm-increased-competition-from-amd Quote:Intel CFO George Davis in an interview with Barron's commented on the company's financial health, and some of the reasons behind its rather conservative gross margin guidance looking forward to at least 2023. Intel's current product stack is moving on to the company's 10 nm silicon fabrication process in a phased manner. The company is allocating 10 nm to mobile processors and enterprise processors, while brazening it out with 14 nm on the client-desktop and HEDT platforms until they can build 10 nm desktop parts. AMD has deployed its high-IPC "Zen 2" microarchitecture on TSMC's 7 nm DUV process, with plans to go EUV in the coming months. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 10-07-2020 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intels-long-awaited-fab-42-is-fully-operational Quote:Intel last week said that its Fab 42, which began construction in 2011, had started operations. The manufacturing facility is producing processors using the company’s 10nm process technology and is the company’s third location to use the company’s latest node. The addition of the third 10nm capable fab to the fleet can significantly improve availability of Intel’s latest products. (Via AZCentral/Intel) RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 12-18-2020 https://www.techpowerup.com/276090/intels-manufacturing-outlook-for-the-future-doesnt-inspire-confidence-in-successful-competition-according-to-susquehanna-call Quote:Improved yields on 10 nm are being reported due to deployment of Intel's SuperFin technology, which improved yields to upwards of 50%, but still keeps them under the ones achieved in Intel's 14 nm process; an eye-opening tidbit in that Cannon Lake on 10 nm originally saw yields of only 25% usable chips per wafer; and that backporting Rocket Lake meant Intel had to deal with unfathomably large chips and high power consumption characteristics. And to add insult to injury, there is still not a definite timetable for 7 nm deployment, with delays being expected to be worse than the previously reported 6-12 months. This all paints a somewhat grim picture for Intel's capacity to compete with TSMC-powered AMD in many of its most important markets; the blue giant won't topple, of course, but it's expected that five years from now, we'll be looking at a very different outlook in the market between AMD and Intel. You can check the talked-about points in the call via the transcript after the break. You should still take the transcript with a grain of salt. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 12-25-2020 https://www.techpowerup.com/276330/intel-expands-10nm-manufacturing-capacity Quote:In response to incredible customer demand, Intel has doubled its combined 14 nm and 10 nm manufacturing capacity over the past few years. To do this, the company found innovative ways to deliver more output within existing capacity through yield improvement projects and significant investments in capacity expansion. This video recounts that journey, which even included re-purposing existing lab and office space for manufacturing. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 12-30-2020 https://www.tomshardware.com/news/activist-hedge-fund-calls-for-intel-to-spin-off-fabs Quote:As reported by Reuters, activist hedge fund Third Point, which reportedly owns a $1 billion stake in Intel, has penned a letter to Intel Chairman Omar Ishrak asking the company to explore "strategic alternatives," like spinning off its fabs and/or divesting itself of unsuccessful acquisitions, to address the company's recent market share losses. The hedge fund also cites an ongoing exodus of Intel's top chip designers, saying the company has a "human capital management issue" and that chip architects have been "demoralized by the status quo." RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 12-31-2020 https://www.extremetech.com/computing/318734-activist-firm-urges-intel-to-explore-alternatives-to-manufacturing-its-own-chips Quote:Some of Third Point’s… points are hard to disagree with. It’s true that Intel has struggled to execute in recent years. It’s been long enough, frankly, that “recent years” doesn’t really capture the scope of the problem. Intel’s 14nm was the first node to be delayed due to manufacturing issues, which means you can argue that the company has been struggling with node transitions for the past six years. That’s not trivial. RE: 10nm In Trouble - SteelCrysis - 01-13-2021 https://www.techpowerup.com/277111/intel-ceo-says-using-competitors-semiconductor-process-in-intel-fabs-is-an-option Quote:Semiconductor manufacturing is not an easy feat to achieve. Especially if you are constantly chasing the smaller and smaller node. Intel knows this the best. The company has had a smooth transition from other nodes to the smaller ones until the 10 nm node came up. It has brought Intel years of additional delay and tons of cost improving the yields of a node that was seeming broken. Yesterday the company announced the new Tiger Lake-H processors for laptops that are built using the 10 nm process, however, we are questioning whatever Intel can keep up with the semiconductor industry and deliver the newest nodes on time, and with ease. During an interview with Intel's CEO Bob Swan, we can get a glimpse of Intel's plans for the future of semiconductors at the company. |