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Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
Quote:You have received a warning from the staff of AlienBabelTech Forums.
Free speech not allowed at ABT!
I want to know who gave me a warning and why.
Edit: Free speech is allowed. The warning system has been disabled.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
Ugh! Dave!
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-15-2015
SB, just talk to Dave about it and see what Dave does with gstanford's mod status.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 06:58 AM)BoFox Wrote: SB, just talk to Dave about it and see what Dave does with gstanford's mod status.
That would be just desserts, wouldn't it.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-15-2015
Gstan, don't take it so religiously!! If all of those atheist scientific theories are winning the world over, then just take it easy and let science take its course. No need to be on a crusade, if you really believe that it is the truth that is taking over anyway.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
I am far from brain dead and I'm definitely not a troll, thank you very much!
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SteelCrysis - 08-15-2015
I removed the warning, because gstanford was issuing warnings rather than doing his job of removing spambots.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 07:44 AM)SteelCrysis Wrote: I removed the warning, because gstanford was issuing warnings rather than doing his job of removing spambots.
Thank-you. We will see what Dave does. I normally wouldn't make a big deal about something like this but he was a real bitch about it when it happened the other way around.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 07:43 AM)gstanford Wrote: Nobody would know that from your recent posts!
If you aren't brain dead then post intelligently! If you aren't a troll, then don't post trolling posts!
Actions speak louder than words!
Dude I asked you not to post videos in jest in reference to your recent bitter complaint about BoFox's images! You're taking this way too far! If you're having such a bad day I suggest you go have a beer and sleep it off or something! I don't deserve this nonsense from you!
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 07:43 AM)gstanford Wrote: Nobody would know that from your recent posts!
If you aren't brain dead then post intelligently! If you aren't a troll, then don't post trolling posts!
Actions speak louder than words!
DAVE, DAVE, DAVE!!! Go for it!!!! Teach Gstan to be humble!
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After all is done, remove this image (but we shall never forget...)
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - BoFox - 08-15-2015
No need for you to leave just because of a few disagreements, Gstan! We're not attacking you or anything like that, geez.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
Holy smokes!
Take care, gstanford, if you are indeed leaving.
:anim_shocked:
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 06:57 AM)gstanford Wrote: I did, for trolling!
Freedom is the only way.
Fuck yeah!
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 07:52 AM)gstanford Wrote: I think I will simply logout and let this sad little forum die after the last part of the video uploads.
Let the trolls and morons argue amongst themselves. Apoppin had the right idea.
Do you hear that?
It's the sound of Apoppin cumming in his pants.....
"Oh boy another forum member!"
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 08:08 AM)gstanford Wrote: Who said anything about me going over to BTR?!
Dave should lawyer up and take down BTR. It's a clear infringement on his site.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-15-2015
(08-15-2015, 08:20 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(08-15-2015, 08:08 AM)gstanford Wrote: Who said anything about me going over to BTR?!
Dave should lawyer up and take down BTR. It's a clear infringement on his site.
Is it? In what way? Because of the words "babel tech"? Did either of them trademark or have any type of ownership to those words? I'm no legal expert but I really don't see Dave and Mark suing each other. The partnership is broken and both of them have moved on. And why do you keep saying "Dave's site"? I mean, right now ABT clearly belongs to Dave but when apoppin was here it was a partnership AFAIK.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
(08-15-2015, 10:52 PM)SickBeast Wrote:(08-15-2015, 08:20 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(08-15-2015, 08:08 AM)gstanford Wrote: Who said anything about me going over to BTR?!
Dave should lawyer up and take down BTR. It's a clear infringement on his site.
Is it? In what way? Because of the words "babel tech"? Did either of them trademark or have any type of ownership to those words? I'm no legal expert but I really don't see Dave and Mark suing each other. The partnership is broken and both of them have moved on. And why do you keep saying "Dave's site"? I mean, right now ABT clearly belongs to Dave but when apoppin was here it was a partnership AFAIK.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/avoid-trademark-infringement-domain-name-29032.html
Quote:If you choose a domain name that conflicts with any one of the millions of commercial names that already exist, you risk losing it.
Did AlienBabelTech already exist? Yes.
Does BabelTechReviews infringe upon it's trademark? Clearly.
Quote:•One trademark legally conflicts with another when the use of both trademarks is likely to confuse customers about the products or services, or their source.
•In case of a legal conflict with a later user, the first commercial user of a trademark owns it.
•If a legal conflict is found to exist, the later user will probably have to stop using the mark and may even have to pay the trademark owner damages.
I know an owner of a web name who got hundreds of thousands of dollars in court because another company used a name very close to his.
Dave needs to speak to a lawyer about a contingency fee (no pay for lawyer unless they win) about making Apoppin cease and desist with the BabelTech, pay damages, or buy the name.
Apoppin is lucky I'm not Dave, or he would already be on hook for a percentage of every dime BTR brings in. Apoppin clearly damaged this business both by withdrawing his part of this enterprise (which may be actionable itself depending on what Dave has in writing) and is obviously continuing to damage this site by operating as an imitation site.
Dave has considerable time and money here, he's supposed to just let Apoppin steal it?
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-16-2015
I don't find the names of the two sites confusing at all. They are clearly different. We don't even know who owned ABT when apoppin was still here. From the look of things, they both did.
The worst case scenario for apoppin is that he will have to register a new domain name. I really don't see the problem though. There is some similarity between the two names but it's not an infringement IMO.
That being said, had it been my own choice, I would have chosen a completely different name. apoppin seems to like "babel tech". I'm guessing he chose the name for ABT as well.
apoppin didn't "steal" anything. He has every right to make his own website and leave ABT. You are being ridiculous.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
(08-16-2015, 01:44 AM)SickBeast Wrote: I don't find the names of the two sites confusing at all. They are clearly different. We don't even know who owned ABT when apoppin was still here. From the look of things, they both did.
The worst case scenario for apoppin is that he will have to register a new domain name. I really don't see the problem though. There is some similarity between the two names but it's not an infringement IMO.
That being said, had it been my own choice, I would have chosen a completely different name. apoppin seems to like "babel tech". I'm guessing he chose the name for ABT as well.
apoppin didn't "steal" anything. He has every right to make his own website and leave ABT. You are being ridiculous.
As you're not a lawyer or judge, and the legal website I linked makes it look a lot like trademark infringement, Dave would be foolish (or just generous?) to leave Apoppin to work his deviltry.
At bare minimum I'd demand that BTR pay ABTs web fees in perpetuity. (and that would be my "nicer guy than I am offer") The guy I really am would be after Apoppins house and insurance. Dave put a lot of work and money into this. Apoppin not only threw that away and spit on it leaving, now he does business on Dave's trademarked name and misleads people to his website with the flagrant use of 2/3s of the trademarked name.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-16-2015
Quote:One trademark legally conflicts with another when the use of both trademarks is likely to confuse customers about the products or services, or their source.[
Are you telling me that you're confused between ABT and BTR? You would think that BTR content comes from ABT? They have different logos and their names are distinctly different.
You are just carrying on your beef that you have with apoppin. You need to get over it and move on.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
(08-16-2015, 02:52 AM)SickBeast Wrote:Quote:One trademark legally conflicts with another when the use of both trademarks is likely to confuse customers about the products or services, or their source.[
Are you telling me that you're confused between ABT and BTR? You would think that BTR content comes from ABT? They have different logos and their names are distinctly different.
You are just carrying on your beef that you have with apoppin. You need to get over it and move on.
I guess Apoppin has nothing to worry about because His Honor SickBeast thinks people only search websites by initials that could not even work.
Of course if you search "babel tech" his website and this one come up a few lines away, but how could anyone get confused by that?
Like I said, if I were Dave, I'd own Apoppin now.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-16-2015
At the worst a judge would make apoppin change the name. There are no damages, he's not making money at BTR (yet). You're just being stupid though.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
(08-16-2015, 03:11 AM)SickBeast Wrote: At the worst a judge would make apoppin change the name. There are no damages, he's not making money at BTR (yet). You're just being stupid though.
The damages are here at ABT where there were advertising revenues.
We'll see how "stupid" I am- at least if Dave agrees with me.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
You do realize it costs money to have this site on the web, right SB?
Ad revenues pay for sites like this, Apoppin took the advertisers with him. (as he does the reviews)
Dave can either pay for this site to continue out of pocket or it folds and we're all scattered.
Apoppin's hissy fit here was just a ruse to steal all the review (ad) revenues for himself so he didn't have to paint signs anymore.
If I were Dave and had anything in writing about "partnership", not to mention the trademark infringement, I'd lawyer up fast.
Either that or let ABT fold and spend my days thinking, "Man that guy really screwed me.".
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-16-2015
(08-16-2015, 03:55 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:(08-16-2015, 03:11 AM)SickBeast Wrote: At the worst a judge would make apoppin change the name. There are no damages, he's not making money at BTR (yet). You're just being stupid though.
The damages are here at ABT where there were advertising revenues.
We'll see how "stupid" I am- at least if Dave agrees with me.
The advertisers left when ABT crashed. How is that apoppin's fault? No one kept a backup of ABT.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
(08-16-2015, 04:04 AM)SickBeast Wrote: The advertisers left when ABT crashed. How is that apoppin's fault? No one kept a backup of ABT.
Just my opinion of the situation.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-16-2015
Well I think that apoppin can easily argue that the ad revenue loss was caused by the crash which was not his fault. He has not made any money at BTR and it will have been in operation for over a year before he does (if he does). At that point, can Dave come after him for damages? I don't think so. I really don't. Over the name? It's silly, and it's not close enough to warrant an infringement IMO.
Obviously their partnership here ended badly but I really think that the worst thing for both of them would be a lawsuit. The only people who would "win" would be the lawyers. Neither of them made any significant money with either of their websites, at least AFAIK.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
You're probably right SickBeast.
I'm sure Dave has no grudge against Apoppin for stringing him along, using his work and money, stealing his trademarked name, then leaving him high and dry with a monthly expense.
Why would that piss a guy off?
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
(08-16-2015, 08:43 AM)gstanford Wrote:(08-16-2015, 02:30 AM)RolloTheGreat Wrote: As you're not a lawyer or judge, and the legal website I linked makes it look a lot like trademark infringement, Dave would be foolish (or just generous?) to leave Apoppin to work his deviltry.
Quote:You aren't a lawyer nor a judge either! Fools gold looks like real gold but that doesn't make it so, unless there is actually a trademark on AlienBabelTech what you stated means absolutely nothing and you would be laughed out of court.
It's true I'm not a lawyer, but if I were Dave, I'd seek one out and have him/her decide if there is anything here.
You, SB and I can't solve this.
If Dave has been damaged by Apoppin's chicanery, I assume you'd want him compensated?
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-16-2015
(08-16-2015, 09:46 AM)gstanford Wrote: It depends on the agreement. However apoppin was the one who drove the growth here and was the one who brought the advertising here.
Yes, on matters of the partnership.
On the trademark infringement of the website, brand name it's obvious that Apoppin knew about the AlienBabelTech name in use when he set up BabelTechReviews.
The only question there is if the use of "BabelTech" is infringement on the trademarked name.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-16-2015
Rollo is just stirring up trouble and wasting our time, as usual.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - RolloTheGreat - 08-17-2015
(08-16-2015, 04:24 PM)gstanford Wrote: You have to actually apply for a trademark. If ABT had one we would know it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark
Hilarious that I have to explain this to somebody who boasts about his college degrees (one of them being business).........
I don't recall "boasting" of my college degrees, or claiming either made me a lawyer. I do recall saying:
RolloTheGreat Wrote:It's true I'm not a lawyer, but if I were Dave, I'd seek one out and have him/her decide if there is anything here.
You, SB and I can't solve this.
Laugh all you like, it changes nothing.
These days even a lot of entry level jobs say degree required or preferred. Not exactly sad I have two in my pocket.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
So Greg I see you're back now after your little explosion the other night. Does that mean you are staying at ABT?
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
Then what about this:
(08-15-2015, 07:52 AM)gstanford Wrote: I think I will simply logout and let this sad little forum die after the last part of the video uploads.
Let the trolls and morons argue amongst themselves. Apoppin had the right idea.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-17-2015
(08-15-2015, 06:54 AM)SickBeast Wrote:Quote:You have received a warning from the staff of AlienBabelTech Forums.
I want to know who gave me a warning and why.
If warning was clicked on it doesn't mean anything. I didn't set a warning system up, must be a default of some sort. I'll look.
Edit: Warning system had a default. I turned it off completely.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
(08-15-2015, 07:52 AM)gstanford Wrote: I think I will simply logout and let this sad little forum die after the last part of the video uploads.
Let the trolls and morons argue amongst themselves. Apoppin had the right idea.
(08-17-2015, 10:33 AM)dmcowen674 Wrote:(08-15-2015, 06:54 AM)SickBeast Wrote:Quote:You have received a warning from the staff of AlienBabelTech Forums.
I want to know who gave me a warning and why.
If warning was clicked on it doesn't mean anything. I didn't set a warning system up, must be a default of some sort. I'll look.
Edit: Warning system had a default. I turned it off completely.
Speaking of warnings can we give gstanford a warning about using his mod powers for no good reason?
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
(08-17-2015, 10:37 AM)gstanford Wrote:(08-17-2015, 10:04 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Then what about this:
(08-15-2015, 07:52 AM)gstanford Wrote: I think I will simply logout and let this sad little forum die after the last part of the video uploads.
Let the trolls and morons argue amongst themselves. Apoppin had the right idea.
What about it?! Did you not notice the first two words of what you quoted?
I can leave if you'd like -- see how long the forum lasts without me posting here.
I never said I wanted you to leave. You had a meltdown, called us all trolls, and said you were "thinking" about leaving (although at the time it really did seem like you were leaving).
Now, we have each moderated each other one time. I lost my mod powers when I moderated you. I wonder what Dave will do about this now. The forum needs your help getting rid of the spam. If you lost your mod powers the forum might fail. But...free speech...
Hmm.
RE: Free speech not allowed at ABT! - dmcowen674 - 08-17-2015
I may delete this entire thread especially the title. There is no warning system or moderation. Moderation = Drama, I don't like Drama.
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
Ugh! Dave!
RE: Free speech is allowed at ABT! - SickBeast - 08-17-2015
I have been moderated. :(
Twice.
