Rollo

[SickBeast]

Hey what do you guys think about allowing Rollo to come back to ABT? It seems that other trolls are allowed here so why not Rollo as well? Rollo is way cooler than steel crysis IMO.

[SteelCrysis]

He tried coming back to BTR. Trollpoppin got rid of him before he could say a word.

[SickBeast]

How do you know?

[SteelCrysis]

I saw him on the newest member line. Dave saw him too.

[SickBeast]

I wonder what he wants to say.

[SickBeast]

This place is becoming a free for all. He would fit right in. He would probably bring a lot of traffic as well.

[ocre]

rollo is one of that many many people apoppin ran off. He got rid of so many daily posters and prevented any chance of growth. We are different people and have different beliefs. We come together to share some of our thoughts and our views on things. But to apoppin, it is his way and that is all there is to it. Just look at how he completely disrespected bofox, i mean to the max. The highest degrade that one could do to another. Just because Bofox was religious, Apoppin would beat on him for that time and time again. But even when there was nothing being talked about that involved religious beliefs, Apoppin was waiting like a gorilla warrior to slice apart bofox and ridicule his core beliefs. Just out of spite................. Just because bofox didnt agree 100% with how he was acting. Huge mistake. nothing is off limits and heads are gonna roll, just another day in apoppins kingdom

[SickBeast]

Rollo is a troll, let's be honest now.

[SteelCrysis]

The Problem with BoFox is he would bring his religion uninvited into discussions where it was totally inappropriate especially if the topic involved science.  I certainly disrespect him for that and make no apologies for it.  His type are doing plenty of damage to young people with their school text-book shenanigans amongst other things.  All to support an irrational belief in an almighty being (which everyone must believe in just because these nutjobs do).

Of course, but he did a really good job of using his religion. I've actually called him a kung fu master to one of my friends. I liked BoFox, and it's a shame he isn't here right now. :(

[SickBeast]

Where did bofox go? He left ABT?

[SickBeast]

He knows the new forum exists but apparently is too busy to signup at the moment according to what he wrote on the old forum.

Thanks. I always really liked him. We all have our beliefs. It's important to see past that with people. Bofox is a very nice person.

[ocre]

The Problem with BoFox is he would bring his religion uninvited into discussions where it was totally inappropriate especially if the topic involved science.  I certainly disrespect him for that and make no apologies for it.  His type are doing plenty of damage to young people with their school text-book shenanigans amongst other things.  All to support an irrational belief in an almighty being (which everyone must believe in just because these nutjobs do).

that is the problem with apoppin. He would start attacking bofox for his religious beliefs just out of the blue and just out of spite.

You are 100% entitled to your own beliefs and opinion. But what is this bias towards others that have different beliefs? Does it really hurt you that bofox has a different view? I cant possibly see why him writing words would be such a problem to you or apoppin. I mean, if you dont agree with it, no one is making you. Just dont agree.

Kind of like steelcrysis. It is not religious beliefs but he has a very unique and edgy views. So what!!!!

The guy isnt hurting any one of you and should be entitled to share his ideas and beliefs, just as everyone else should.

Grstanford, you say bofox would bring up religious stuff uninvited but you fail to realize that apoppin was just as guilty of it, if not more. Guilty of bringing up his personal religion of the world being an alien simulation ran by alien supercomputers. He would plug aspects of this belief everywhere, all the time. How can you rightful fault bofox when the majority of time apoppin was doing the exact same thing. Everytime you turned around he was bringing up AI and this simulation, far far more often than you ever dreamed bofox plugged his religious beliefs on the ABT forum.

I personally dont care at all if people share their beliefs. Even if they are vastly different than mine. I might state my opinion on the matter but i am not so afraid of what they are saying that i want to suppress their beliefs. Be it religious or just an all out negative opinion of a company, like steel and his unending discontent with valve. It hurts me none. I actually chuckle reading some of the far out stuff he writes. Isnt that what the forums are about? To read stuff that is not in your head, other peoples views and compare them to your own. To share your ideas and read those of others. It becomes a very very boring place when every single person has the same view, the same outlook....over and over......it becomes very dull indeed.

[SickBeast]

So what is your religion, grstanford?

[RolloTheGreat]

I have no desire to argue with Apoppin.

Nor do I care if NVIDIA gives him, or anyone else, video cards.

Would enjoy being part of the forum again, I don't think the reasons given for my being banned last time were quite on the level.

[RolloTheGreat]

 (he used to be nvidia's darling and now a former ATi liker who saw the light gets treated better by nvidia - I'm sure that burns)

Greg-
I quit the Focus Group three years ago. My guess is YOU get treated better by NVIDIA than I do. I have no ties to NVIDIA.

A better question is "Why would I care what Apoppin's relationship to NVIDIA is?". That's between Apoppin and NVIDIA, not really my concern.

[RolloTheGreat]

I have no contact with nvidia whatsoever (outside of automated emails and the occasional request to complete a survey from them).

So, why do you keep trying to register at BTR if you don't care about apoppin?

???

I don't, think I did once?

[RolloTheGreat]

SteelCrysis saw you on the registered users line there before apoppin purged you.

Like I said, I did try to register there and failed, so I forgot about it.

If I had much desire to be on there, I would be. As noted in my PM I think those BS proxy services auto renew so I probably have a paid up account with the last one I used about a year ago.

Beyond that I have three ISPs and multiple mobile devices.

I just don't have much reason to be on there.

[SickBeast]

Rollo has gone completely nuts. :(

[BoFox]

Let me speak for Rollo:

[RolloTheGreat]

Let me speak for Rollo:

[SickBeast]

Man that's some really pure ganja Rollo has been smoking. Look what it did to his chin!

[dmcowen674]

I have never seen that graphic before

[BoFox]

I have never seen that graphic before

And I never want to again!  Thank god for adblock!

Why BoFox has to plaster the forums with retarded imagery is beyond me!

Gotcha!  I burned your eyes!

[BoFox]

I have never seen that graphic before

And I never want to again!  Thank god for adblock!

Why BoFox has to plaster the forums with retarded imagery is beyond me!

Gotcha!  I burned your eyes!

You are a fucking idiot!  Go back to kindergarten!

You are...  you are...    a sussy!  Yes, that's it!  A SUSSY!!!

[BoFox]

Just apply ad-block quickly enough so your pussycat skin won't get cancer, and you'll be fine won't you?

[SickBeast]

via Imgflip Meme Maker

[RolloTheGreat]

Just apply ad-block quickly enough so your pussycat skin won't get cancer, and you'll be fine won't you?

There are some things a man just does not need to see.

This GIF is one, the GoGirl ads are another.

[BoFox]

GINA.... strike that, lol!!

[BoFox]

G, you so hypocritical that you need to bitch-smack your lips after every sentence you say!

G, you're a split-personality of a 4-year-old and a demented 85-year-old in a man's body carrying a PS3 on his backpack. Sometimes you can figure it out, and sometimes you can't!
"Skyrim on a GTX 970 SLI at 1600p rocks, or Skyrim on a PS3 at 720p rocks (it can only be one or the other, never anything in between, and 4K sucks)!"

Geez. Don't suck so hard that your finger cannot help but plug it in!


Just kidding with you, pal. Yes, I'm a 5-year old goofball when I want to be!

[RolloTheGreat]

It definitely makes no sense to be against 4K, it's the first resolution we've hit where you can live without AA.

[BoFox]

G, you so hypocritical that you need to bitch-smack your lips after every sentence you say!

G, you're a split-personality of a 4-year-old and a demented 85-year-old in a man's body carrying a PS3 on his backpack.  Sometimes you can figure it out, and sometimes you can't!  
"Skyrim on a GTX 970 SLI at 1600p rocks, or Skyrim on a PS3 at 720p rocks (it can only be one or the other, never anything in between, and 4K sucks)!"

Geez.  Don't suck so hard that your finger cannot help but plug it in!


Just kidding with you, pal.  Yes, I'm a 5-year old goofball when I want to be!

You are an idiot.  I only ever played Skyrim at 1600p back when it was a new release and I was still using my 30" 2560x1600 monitor.  Nowadays I play Skyrim on PC at 4K without needing a 4K monitor thanks to the wonders of nvidia's DSR.

Skyrim @ 4K on a highend PC does not make Skyrim @ 720p on a PS3 suck, they are two vastly different systems at vastly different price points.  The PS3 plays Skyrim brilliantly for an 8 year old system with limited resources and a $200 price tag.  The PC version should hang its head in shame since the increase in performance sure as hell doesn't increase in line with the price tag!

You pisstard, what would you call me if I downsampled 1080p to a 480p CRT TV from the late 90's?  It's like a guy with a perfectly fine 20/20 vision putting on 20/80 glasses.  Your 2x GTX 970's in SLI could play many games at 4K with some kind of AA, so it's more ideal to match the $800 GPU tango with a decent 4K TV that doesn't cost too much more than a 1080p TV.

"Without needing a 4K monitor...."  like saying downsampled 1080p on 480p without needing a 1080p monitor.  

That would have been nice for the low-detail PS2 games (and maybe Gamecube/Wii games), but games like Dying Light would truly appreciate 4K with some kind of AA, at crisp 2160p output.

[BoFox]

You can use MSAA, MFAA and even RG:SSAA along with DSR on nvidia.  No idea on Radeon crap & VSR but judging by your idiotic outburst, probably not.

DSR works extremely well, the console text in skyrim is perfectly legible using 4K DSR @1080p despite being rendered very small.

You simply don't have a clue....

I know, but are you nucking futs?  You think you're Sucking Fexy, but I think Fexy is too good for you and your 1080p downsampling from say, 8x MSAA with 4K internal rendering. 

Pisstard: "Look at me, I'm doing downsampling from 1080p with 32x CSAA plus 8x TRSSAA, onto my 480p CRT TV from 1998.  Therefore I do not need a 1080p TV, because my 480p CRT looks better than 1080p."

It's a stupid waste of GPU power to be rendering 4K with 8x TRSSAA, and then downsample that right down to 1/4 the pixel count.  Spend $800 on video cards, and then dumb down your vision from 20/20 with those 20/80 glasses... Sucking Fexy, eh?  I tell you, it looks good to you just because the screen was blown off your window by DSR, but you still need to take off those damn glasses.

[RolloTheGreat]

I know, but are you nucking futs?

Nope, I'm not but you sure as hell are!  You are only making yourself look stupid, not me!

You can't purchase a 55" 4K TV for the same price I paid for my 1080p TV, it is that simple.  Even if you could I'd be in no hurry to go get one.  DSR does a good enough job for gaming.

I'm inclined to agree with you that 4K tvs are a bust so far.

No content, have to sit in the middle of your room to see the difference- not exactly compelling reasons to ditch the 1080p tvs yet.

4K monitors are a different story though. You sit on top of monitors already, and the difference is obvious. DSR is good, but not as good as 4K native res.

[RolloTheGreat]

If you are sitting back roughly a body length from the TV for gaming like I do then DSR is fine.

If you want to do productivity work then DSR isn't what you want.

I will get around to getting a 4K TV eventually, I'd say its about 18 months away at least.

Hardly any 4K TV's have a VGA port though and HDMI is crap for hooking a PC up to a TV, too much playing around with the signal.  hopefully display port will become a thing on TV's for PC input.

I will buy a 4k tv when I've heard a good reason to.

Not moving my couch and recliners to the middle of the living room for dubious gains on rare content. Also not moving a pc capable of DSR or whatever into my living room.

4K TVs are half baked at present, IMO.

[BoFox]

BoFox, What nvidia card(s) are you using (for DSR)?  Maxwell, Kepler or older generation?

The answer is important due to a claim you made above....

I had 2 Maxwells, but quickly sold them - didn't use them for long.  Got the idea, though.  Still using my GTX 780, 760, HD 7950 (sold off 7970 and R9 290), etc..  No time for serious gaming.  What my sons play with aren't too demanding, and I try not to spend $500+ on video cards since the Bitcoin mining craze died off.

You do know that Kepler supports DSR as well?

EDIT - hot damn, Bitcoins just went back up to $450 after hovering around $180-250 forever! http://bitcoincharts.com/

[BoFox]

Thank you.

So you would have us believe that a GTX 780 is capable of running games at DSR 4K plus 32x CSAA, would you?  (it is what you claimed in post 47).  I know that you were not talking about the Maxwell cards when you claimed this (do you want to tell us why I would know this or would you like to claim I am wrong and it was the Maxwells you were referring to?)

http://alienbabeltech.com/forum/showthre...14#pid5814

You can use MSAA, MFAA and even RG:SSAA along with DSR on nvidia.  No idea on Radeon crap & VSR but judging by your idiotic outburst, probably not.

DSR works extremely well, the console text in skyrim is perfectly legible using 4K DSR @1080p despite being rendered very small.

You simply don't have a clue....

I know, but are you nucking futs?  You think you're Sucking Fexy, but I think Fexy is too good for you and your 1080p downsampling from say, 8x MSAA with 4K internal rendering.  

Pisstard:  "Look at me, I'm doing downsampling from 1080p with 32x CSAA plus 8x TRSSAA, onto my 480p CRT TV from 1998.  Therefore I do not need a 1080p TV, because my 480p CRT looks better than 1080p."

It's a stupid waste of GPU power to be rendering 4K with 8x TRSSAA, and then downsample that right down to 1/4 the pixel count.  Spend $800 on video cards, and then dumb down your vision from 20/20 with those 20/80 glasses... Sucking Fexy, eh?  I tell you, it looks good to you just because the screen was blown off your window by DSR, but you still need to take off those damn glasses.

I was talking about YOUR GTX 970's, you dweeb.

[BoFox]

If you are sitting back roughly a body length from the TV for gaming like I do then DSR is fine.

If you want to do productivity work then DSR isn't what you want.

I will get around to getting a 4K TV eventually, I'd say its about 18 months away at least.

Hardly any 4K TV's have a VGA port though and HDMI is crap for hooking a PC up to a TV, too much playing around with the signal.  hopefully display port will become a thing on TV's for PC input.

I will buy a 4k tv when I've heard a good reason to.

Not moving my couch and recliners to the middle of the living room for dubious gains on rare content. Also not moving a pc capable of DSR or whatever into my living room.

4K TVs are half baked at present, IMO.

Agreed, but I have a rocker chair (not exactly a rocker, but it reclines a bit) that I bring up to the big screen for playing with some games - especially the racing games for greater immersion.  With the big Maxwell cards supporting HDMI 2.0 (unlike the Radeon Fury cards still stuck on HDMI 1.4 meaning 30Hz for 4K), and with decent big-screen TV's supporting that as well, what's holding you back from that crazy tempting curved 65" 4K TV using OLED tech for breathtaking colors and contrast with perfect black level?  You're aren't known for holding back on kick-ass stuff like that, hmm?

[BoFox]

I'm talking about your claim of DSR + 32x CSAA.

You weren't doing that on Maxwell because Maxwell does not support CSAA!  The CSAA logic was removed from the ROP's and MFAA added in its place as well as allowing the ROP's to operate more efficiently in Maxwell compared to Kepler.

You can do CSAA on Kepler, but a 780 is very underpowered for DSR to begin with and Kepler doesn't do DSR as effeciently as Maxwell does.

Hmm, I wonder why Maxwell doesn't support CSAA?  That's what Nvidia worked so hard as a new feature with G80 (8800GTX) and brought out 32x CSAA that greatly enhanced DX10+ games on Fermi cards.  I never actually bothered with using CSAA on the Maxwell cards, due to the little time I had them (for bitcoin mining). 

Perhaps CSAA didn't work properly for some games (which was my long-time suspicion from many years ago)?  I actually though it was TR-MSAA (not TR-SSAA) that was sucky, but perhaps it's that DX10+ does not allow for CSAA to be forced on if the games do not specifically support the CSAA feature with DX10/11?

[RolloTheGreat]

If you are sitting back roughly a body length from the TV for gaming like I do then DSR is fine.

If you want to do productivity work then DSR isn't what you want.

I will get around to getting a 4K TV eventually, I'd say its about 18 months away at least.

Hardly any 4K TV's have a VGA port though and HDMI is crap for hooking a PC up to a TV, too much playing around with the signal.  hopefully display port will become a thing on TV's for PC input.

I will buy a 4k tv when I've heard a good reason to.

Not moving my couch and recliners to the middle of the living room for dubious gains on rare content. Also not moving a pc capable of DSR or whatever into my living room.

4K TVs are half baked at present, IMO.

I am too poor to buy it. Sick Beast was right, I live in my mom's basement and spend my food stamp check on beer.



Agreed, but I have a rocker chair (not exactly a rocker, but it reclines a bit) that I bring up to the big screen for playing with some games - especially the racing games for greater immersion.  With the big Maxwell cards supporting HDMI 2.0 (unlike the Radeon Fury cards still stuck on HDMI 1.4 meaning 30Hz for 4K), and with decent big-screen TV's supporting that as well, what's holding you back from that crazy tempting curved 65" 4K TV using OLED tech for breathtaking colors and contrast with perfect black level?  You're aren't known for holding back on kick-ass stuff like that, hmm?

I am too poor to buy it. Sick Beast was right, I live in my mom's basement and spend my food stamp check on beer.

What holds me back on anything gaming these days is ROI. I haven't gamed two hours in the last 6 months. Haven't even played with the 4K GSync and 980Ti I got in June yet.

[RolloTheGreat]

Perhaps get yourself a copy of Fallout 4?  It is a pretty immersive game.  I don't play games that don't draw me into their world anymore.  A few year back I'd give most anything a try.

Perhaps after holidays, that game does look good.