4K Blu-ray Movie Releases Announced

[SteelCrysis]

http://4k.com/news/warner-brothers-20th-...016-11719/
Only 35+ releases, but it's a start.

[BenSkywalker]

Any details on players yet? I'd imagine we'll get bombed with them next week(or the week after? when is CES this year....).

[SteelCrysis]

Panasonic and Samsung both have 4k Blu-ray players announced:
http://4k.com/news/samsung-unveils-the-u...ayer-9328/
http://4k.com/news/panasonic-unveils-new...ubz1-9904/

[RolloTheGreat]

Panasonic and Samsung both have 4k Blu-ray players announced:
http://4k.com/news/samsung-unveils-the-u...ayer-9328/
http://4k.com/news/panasonic-unveils-new...ubz1-9904/

Like the 4k gaming monitors but the tv stuff is half baked still.

Hey gang! Lets push the couch closer so it looks sharper than 1080p!

[BoFox]

Panasonic and Samsung both have 4k Blu-ray players announced:
http://4k.com/news/samsung-unveils-the-u...ayer-9328/
http://4k.com/news/panasonic-unveils-new...ubz1-9904/

Like the 4k gaming monitors but the tv stuff is half baked still.

Hey gang! Lets push the couch closer so it looks sharper than 1080p!

Or upgrade the size to at least 80"!

The 65" in the upstairs living room is starting to look too small to me for movies anyway.  With tech, we always need MOAR, BETTER!!!

[SteelCrysis]

OLED's small size would definitely make it easier to install larger TVs.

[RolloTheGreat]

Panasonic and Samsung both have 4k Blu-ray players announced:
http://4k.com/news/samsung-unveils-the-u...ayer-9328/
http://4k.com/news/panasonic-unveils-new...ubz1-9904/

Like the 4k gaming monitors but the tv stuff is half baked still.

Hey gang! Lets push the couch closer so it looks sharper than 1080p!

Or upgrade the size to at least 80"!

The 65" in the upstairs living room is starting to look too small to me for movies anyway.  With tech, we always need MOAR, BETTER!!!

My 28" 4K monitor- 157 PPI viewed at 2-3'.

80" 4K TV - 55 PPI viewed at 12-14' in my living room.

60" 1080P TV - 36 PPI viewed at 12-14' in my living room.

[RolloTheGreat]

In the absence of broadcast content in 4K, to me 4K seems kind of like PhysX.

If you were buying a video card, the handful of PhysX games might be reason enough to buy a NVIDIA card if performance and other factors are the same.

You probably wouldn't sell your AMD card and pay $100s (or $1000s) more to get the PhysX experience though.

How much 4K content is available from my cable provider? 0.0

I watch maybe 2 movies a month, having a handful of movies 4K isn't going to make me switch.

[BoFox]

In the absence of broadcast content in 4K, to me 4K seems kind of like PhysX.

If you were buying a video card, the handful of PhysX games might be reason enough to buy a NVIDIA card if performance and other factors are the same.

You probably wouldn't sell your AMD card and pay $100s (or $1000s) more to get the PhysX experience though.

How much 4K content is available from my cable provider? 0.0

I watch maybe 2 movies a month, having a handful of movies 4K isn't going to make me switch.

*GASPS*......   Rollo for AMD! 

Never thought we would've seen that day come!!!

[SteelCrysis]

Samsung 4K Blu-ray player available for pre-order at USD 400, the Panasonic model is already out for USD 3,300: http://4k.com/news/samsungs-new-4k-ultra...ice-11865/

Phillips 4K Blu-ray player announced: http://4k.com/news/philips-reveals-new-4...016-11837/

[SteelCrysis]

Amazon pre-orders have begun: http://4k.com/news/amazon-is-now-taking-...scs-11927/

[BoFox]

Wow - about time.

[RolloTheGreat]

Wow - about time.

I'd have a 4k if not for dearth of content.

I spent $500+ on a PS3 for the "BluRay Revolution". Know how many BluRays I watched on that thing in all the years I owned it? Can probably count them on one hand. Same with the HD DVD.

A couple movies in UHD on disks? No.

HD movies from my cable provider, or better yet, TV shows and sports? Yes.

[SickBeast]

As much as I hate agreeing with Rollo, he is actually right to wait for 4k. I was an early adopter of a 1080p display and it was a waste. It was a similar situation to this. The only content available was Blu Ray movies and PC gaming. I paid a hefty premium for it and prices dropped in half within a year or two. It was really frustrating. The same thing is going to happen to 4k. Once there is more content it will become mainstream and the prices will plummet. You guys just watch, give it one or two years and we will see 4k TVs even cheaper than the current 1080p sets. The profit margins on the 4k TVs are very high. It's how the manufacturers are making all their money right now. Just give it time. The only real use I can see for it is high end gaming, but it is very hard to find a 4k TV with HDMI 2.0 that can do 4:4:4 chroma with good input lag. That's not to mention the fact that 4k gaming requires a ridiculous rig. I think these would be really fun toys if you have a lot of excess cash but if you're smart you will wait and you will get something much better for less money soon.

[SteelCrysis]

Roundup of upcoming 4K Blu-ray releases and 4K Blu-ray players: http://hdguru.com/ultra-hd-blu-ray-playe...l-shelves/

[SickBeast]

I think that the bigger deal will be when Netflix has a bunch of movies in 4k. Physical media is pretty much dead.

[BoFox]

No way!  These serious 4K movie discs are 100GB (with up to 128Mbps transfer rate).  Netflix streaming would obviously show some compression artifacts, look more like 1600p rather than actual 4K, and probably have some issues with streaming at times unless the cable provider (plus Netflix) swears to give you completely uninterrupted 50+mbps download streaming channel for 2 hours straight. 

Most cable providers have this obnoxious thing called data cap.

'House Of Cards' In 4K Will Eat Broadband Caps Like Popcorn Shrimp

[url=https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140218/11532626269/house-cards-4k-will-eat-broadband-caps-like-popcorn-shrimp.shtml][/url]I absolutely loved the first 2 seasons of this show, btw!!!!  Recent 3rd season not quite as good though.

Netflix CEO Reed Hastings not that long ago stated the company's planned 4K streams will need at least 15 Mbps but optimally 50 Mbps. Streaming a 1080p 3D movie from Netflix at the moment eats around 4 to 5 GB per hour, a total that could jump to closer to 20 to 30 GB per hour with 4K video.

20GB per hour is pretty damn good quality, still.  

Yet, for the elite purists who want the highest quality - practically lossless quality - media is the only way to go.  

I hope media stays around for a long while.  There will be 3D 4K (needing like 200GB discs) soon..  want that quality streamed to your Netflix?  Better pray that your cable provider doesn't mind the data usage.  Plus Netflix and Amazon Prime probably has only a few % of the entire blu-ray movie library out there.  Do you guys really want to limit yourselves to what can be streamed online?

We just went to see the new Star Wars movie at the theatre.  It was ok - felt a bit like a remake of the first Star Wars movie made in 1977 - the basic storyline, concept, and all..  then I was thinking about 48fps that makes viewing movies in 3D that much more immersive...   like with the Hobbit movies that fail to capture the drool of my eyes at a stuttery 24fps when panning across the architecture and the majestic mountains.  This (HFR) would yet double the amount of data content needed!  The next Avatar movie is rumored to be filmed at 60fps.  Well, it might continue to be such a niche for the next 10 years or so - but truly kick-ass action movies with an emphasis on fluid action and life-like high quality reproduction (especially with CGI) will generate so much buzz at some point (while remaining a niche, just like Avatar and 3D).

[SickBeast]

Yes, and h.265 reduces the file sizes by half. I think streaming will be fine even on the 25-50mbps connections that most people have. We are not all videophiles. I doubt most people would not be able to tell the difference unless they sat up close with a magnifying glass looking for something specific.

[BoFox]

Yes, and h.265 reduces the file sizes by half.  I think streaming will be fine even on the 25-50mbps connections that most people have.  We are not all videophiles.  I doubt most people would not be able to tell the difference unless they sat up close with a magnifying glass looking for something specific.

That's why I said it's still pretty damn good quality!

Yet, why do people still buy blu-ray movie discs nowadays?  I don't predict the next 5 years to be any different when it comes to streaming 20GB per hour - putting the bandwidth cap at risk if watching a couple movies a week via Netflix. 

Bluray simply offers unparalleled quality - practically lossless especially during dark scenes where the color gamut range is that sensitive to the fine shades of grey - and with audio as well.  With 4K, all of these are supposed to be even better...   streaming over the internet now???  If you're using Verizon FIOS with at least 75/75 Quantum internet package that is apparently unlimited, don't get so excited since Verizon is actually trying to throttle specifically Netflix's content in particular!!  *GASPS*!!  Perhaps Verizon is the opposite of amicable to Netflix's indirect competition to their cable TV services, and therefore hostile to allowing Netflix all the "lanes" in regards to internet data.  IIRC, Netflix has far surpassed Youtube as the largest streaming client of data across the internet in the US - with about 1/3 of the entire online data used by Netflix.  http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/net...201507187/

[RolloTheGreat]

I'll start caring when it's delivered by my cable company.

Physical media + move couch closer to tv is a non starter for me, but you never know. I often am at a loss at Christmas and b-days.

[BoFox]

Funny thing is, with my 100" projection screen - it's all about moving further away from the screen.  

[RolloTheGreat]

Funny thing is, with my 100" projection screen - it's all about moving further away from the screen.  

You fool!

Don't you know it is better to sit up close to the screen and turn your head side to side as you watch.  

For the size of my living room (12-14' viewing distances) a 60" tv is a good size for viewing.

I don't think I could go above 70" on my corner tv stand. (and if I could it would overwhelm the room)

I'll buy a 4K tv sooner or later, but I won't be moving my furniture to the middle of the room or renting and buying physical media to get a more hi def picture.

[BoFox]

Awesome!!!  I do that with racing games!  One drawback with many other console games though is that like with first person shooters, the viewing angle is way too narrow, and thus nauseating to play for like 1-2+ hours, like through slightly magnifying lenses.  

If these damn console games would allow for adjusting of the FOV especially for those with huge screens it would be a more proper immersive experience especially throughout the duration of at least one hour!  

We need a 3D Virtual Reality of Google Earth 360-degree drone navigation path-filled space around all the pretty places of Earth!  Then we are as virtual angels unto Earth as time goes on!

[BoFox]

but I won't be ... renting and buying physical media to get a more hi def picture.

Not even with your own favorite movie ever??  Not even the original Lord of the Rings movie?  The first Alien movie that basically defined the sci-fi space horror theme and set the bar so high that it hasn't ever been beat in 35 years and counting?

It's like buying a GTX 980 Ti, but while you're deciding to only stream games from Nvidia's Grid onto your PC.
 Ok, ok, ok, hmm, maybe I went too far here..  

(by the way, it's 3 months for free, and then $7.99/mo:
https://shield.nvidia.com/game-streaming...eforce-now
A lot of games are included for free, like Batman: Arkham City)

[RolloTheGreat]

but I won't be ... renting and buying physical media to get a more hi def picture.

Not even with your own favorite movie ever??  Not even the original Lord of the Rings movie?  The first Alien movie that basically defined the sci-fi space horror theme and set the bar so high that it hasn't ever been beat in 35 years and counting?

I've had BluRay since 2007, I own one (unopened) BluRay. (LOTR box set I received as a gift) We only watch 2-3 movies a month, and never rent them. (we stream them from cable company because I'm OK with their HD)

I've purchased $120,000 worth of vehicles in the last three years, but have spent $1400 on my living room tv three years ago. (and I had no valid reason to replace the vehicles- they were all in perfect shape and low miles) I conclude two things from this: 1. I'll spend some cash if the purchase interests me. 2. I'm apparently not very interested in getting a 4K tv.

At the end of the day, I'm going to be sitting 14-15 feet away from my tv in my recliner in my living room. Everything I've read says that at 14-15' I'm not going to see much difference in the 1080P and 4K due to limits in my 20/20 corrected vision.

Just have a hard time getting excited about this, absence of content and questionable IQ benefits make it seem sort of a "yawn".

[RolloTheGreat]

So, you have LOTR on Blu-ray and have never tried Blu-ray and don't think you will notice a difference?

Get yourself downtown and grab the DVD version of LOTR (or stream it from the cable co).  Watch the first half hour of each.

Let us know your findings.  If you can't tell the difference between 480p and 1080p (dvd is 480p, Blu-ray 1080p) then you are blind.  As for streaming it, depends on if the cable co streams the DVD or Blu-ray version to you, but the stream should still be noticeably worse than the Blu-ray due to trancoding/recoding by the cable co.

I've rented about a dozen BluRays over the years, just didn't re-watch LOTR.

I also have a HD DVD player in my living room and have watched the dozen or so movies I own on that.

Sure it's "better" but not enough that I care to obtain physical media.

This whole thing is a lot like my buddy trying to convince me I need a DSLR when I'm happy with my fairly nice Panasonic Lumix pocket camera. It's not a DSLR, but I've never looked at the pictures and said "Damnit! This sucks! I'm buying a DSLR!"

[BoFox]

Hmm, I, for one, actually prefer my Galaxy Note 3 for taking pictures over compact cameras like the Panasonic Lumix or Sony Cybershot WX10 for example:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DSC-WX10-Cybe...B004H8FNJ4
Both can do 16MP, correct?  Just like my Note 3.. 
Yet, I find the Note 3 to take better pictures in most cases.  Also, the Note 3 is far, far quicker to take pictures with, to begin with (unless you have the phone completely turned off, of course). 
The only thing that the compact cameras have going is the optical zoom.  90% of the pictures I take do not ever need any zooming to begin with.  If zooming was going to be real important, I'd just bring a DSLR camera with me - like on a camping trip or to New York City to take pictures of mountains/skyscrapers.  Optical image stabilization is a must with DSLR cameras (while some of them still didn't have this feature) unless you like using a tripod for everything. 

Another thing is that the Note 3 can take 4K videos, stream everything over USB 3.0 instead of painfully slow USB 2.0 like with most cameras, has a 5.7" full HD OLED screen for reviewing pictures (far more quickly than most compact cameras on the market today). 

Like, Rollo, if you found it a hassle to record your son playing soccer, thus preferring to just forego the camera and just watch the event yourself...   well, if taking 4K video you wouldn't to worry about zooming in and aiming the camera since 4K would be clear and sharp enough without zooming in.  You could just hold the phone on your lap, aim it in a general direction - whilen watching the whole thing with your own eyes without worrying too much about it, and then stop recording when the play gets boring.  But wait a minute..  your Note 5 might run out of storage right there if recording 4K video without a SD card... 

haha

[RolloTheGreat]

Panasonic Lumix's are pretty decent cameras.  DSLR's are overkill for most people, the most useful camera is the one you have with you and DSLR's are too bulky to have with you all the time.  Hence the popularity of phone cameras even if image quality isn't quite perfect.

DVD vs Blu-ray is more like a reasonably decent webcam vs your Lumix, not your Lumix vs a DSLR.

Right, but I'm not comparing DVD to BluRay and saying there's no need for HD. I'm comparing cable company streamed HD to BluRay and saying the difference isn't enough to make me get (or care about) physical media.

[RolloTheGreat]

Hmm, I, for one, actually prefer my Galaxy Note 3 for taking pictures over compact cameras like the Panasonic Lumix or Sony Cybershot WX10 for example:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-DSC-WX10-Cybe...B004H8FNJ4
Both can do 16MP, correct?  Just like my Note 3.. 
Yet, I find the Note 3 to take better pictures in most cases.  Also, the Note 3 is far, far quicker to take pictures with, to begin with (unless you have the phone completely turned off, of course). 
The only thing that the compact cameras have going is the optical zoom.  90% of the pictures I take do not ever need any zooming to begin with.  If zooming was going to be real important, I'd just bring a DSLR camera with me - like on a camping trip or to New York City to take pictures of mountains/skyscrapers.  Optical image stabilization is a must with DSLR cameras (while some of them still didn't have this feature) unless you like using a tripod for everything. 

Another thing is that the Note 3 can take 4K videos, stream everything over USB 3.0 instead of painfully slow USB 2.0 like with most cameras, has a 5.7" full HD OLED screen for reviewing pictures (far more quickly than most compact cameras on the market today). 

Like, Rollo, if you found it a hassle to record your son playing soccer, thus preferring to just forego the camera and just watch the event yourself...   well, if taking 4K video you wouldn't to worry about zooming in and aiming the camera since 4K would be clear and sharp enough without zooming in.  You could just hold the phone on your lap, aim it in a general direction - whilen watching the whole thing with your own eyes without worrying too much about it, and then stop recording when the play gets boring.  But wait a minute..  your Note 5 might run out of storage right there if recording 4K video without a SD card... 

haha

Gosh if only I could go back to the phones of 2013 and do things I did not do with them back then or since.....

[SteelCrysis]

http://4k.com/news/why-4k-blu-ray-is-has...ent-12053/
A good article, and at least 4K Blu-ray will have HDR support.

[RolloTheGreat]

http://4k.com/news/why-4k-blu-ray-is-has...ent-12053/
A good article, and at least 4K Blu-ray will have HDR support.

I can sell my current 60" 1080p tv at a huge loss, buy a 4K 60" at a price premium, buy a $400 player, spend $30 on the handful of movies available, and then see better image quality if I move my furniture to the middle of the room?!

I can't believe I haven't done this yet!

[SickBeast]

The time is not right for 4k. The time will be right when you don't have to pay $150/month for your cable TV package plus $500 for the box and then even more for the TV. The time will be right when there is widespread content available. Right now the time is for the early adopters with lots of money. Unfortunately I am not one of those people (yet).

[RolloTheGreat]

The time is not right for 4k.  The time will be right when you don't have to pay $150/month for your cable TV package plus $500 for the box and then even more for the TV.  The time will be right when there is widespread content available.  Right now the time is for the early adopters with lots of money.  Unfortunately I am not one of those people (yet).

I don't know if early adopting ever makes any sense.

Remember paying $1000 for the 990X CPU because of the "future games" that will be multithreaded. Bullshit.

Remember paying good bucks for a second dual GPU card because of the games that would be great with quad SLi. Bullshit.

Remember the Titan 1 and then I think was 780Ti coming out a few months later. Bullshit.

I bought 5 monitors to set up 3d Vision Surround twice, never took off.

[SickBeast]

Just so I understand, Greg, do you consider AMD stuff to be "lesser products"?

[SickBeast]

Would it be fair to say that you regularly dump on AMD products?

[SickBeast]

Then why is it fair for you to accuse Rollo of dumping on "lesser products" when you do the same thing?

I have to admit, however, that I do enjoy your AMD rants!

[SickBeast]

I find the thing with Rollo is that he always has to be "right". He's quite pompous. It's fairly common on the internet unfortunately. It is a sign that he lacks self confidence. He constantly has to reassure to himself and everyone else that he's "right", no matter how wrong he actually is. It's frustrating for all of us.

You know what though? I'm trying to let go of all my resentment toward Rollo. I took a break for a week from the forum and I feel like I can handle him again to some extent.

[RolloTheGreat]

Because his rants are baseless, full of ignorance, lies and privileged entitlement.  Mine aren't.

Ummmm....no.

Our debates are full of difference of OPINION.

On PS4s vs XBones:
You value more games at 1080P above all else, I value the other features XBone has more. (and I'd note I bought both LONG before you bought either, so my preference is a moot point)
You just stubbornly refuse to believe anyone could place anything other than "more games at 1080p" as a valid reason to buy a console, which is ignorant. At least I recognize more games at 1080p is a legitimate reason to buy a PS4, especially if you can only afford one system and place gaming as your sole reason to own the thing. (Gaming would be secondary in my buying choice)
My position is the more enlightened and tolerant.

On cars:

You value cheap to buy and run above all else, and stubbornly refuse to believe someone could value safety, comfort, tow capacity, and haul capacity above "cheap" and declare the Yaris "a better car" than my Sierra, "period".
Again my position is the more tolerant and enlightened, because I understand that if you can't afford a more expensive car, a Yaris is a great choice.

Looks to me like you're the one with "have to be right" issues.

[RolloTheGreat]

You are right SickBeast, someone who carries on the way Rollo does invariably has a deep-rooted inferiority complex hard at work.

Perhaps it was because he partied too hard and flunked college first time around?  Who knows.

What I do is anytime Rollo is wanting a smack-down online, I'll be here ready and waiting.

Gosh thank you for the psychoanalysis, random stranger with a High School diploma.

When I was picking up my bachelors degree in psychology from one of the world's oldest and best schools of psychology, I never picked up your skillset.

Allow me to hypothesize though:

Could it be possible that in returning to college and graduating, not once, but twice, might have done something to ameliorate any feelings of inadequacy I might have been having?

I mean, I can see how flunking out of college (or worse yet, never going) might leave a person with some problem reconciling their self concept of their intelligence- how could it not?

However, I "grew up", went back, and proved I could succeed twice, in wildly different disciplines. (psych and business) Shouldn't that pretty much end any feelings of inferiority about education?

If it doesn't, does most of the world have an inferiority complex about education, as people who hold one bachelors are the minority, and people with two a small portion of them?

Yeah, you keep on "smacking me down", genius.

[SickBeast]

Rollo if just one time we heard you say "sorry about that, you were right", it would change things. You are wrong about stuff all the time. Completely wrong. Yet you always carry yourself on as though you know everything and as though you think you're always right. So we have a reason for saying this.