Nvidia Pascal GPU has 17 billion transistors

[ocre]

Phenomenal!!!

Nvidia seems to very much know their market, it just flies in the face of this massive invasion of anti Nvidia rhetoric that invades every tech site as well as just about every article with the word Nvidia in it. It's really climbed to the worst I have ever seen it. This massive flooding just about everywhere.

I know there have always been fans but the surging of amd troopers is baffling...especially considering their miniscule and shrinking market share. Who are all these people out there? Amd must have doubled down on their red team objectives. You know, this strategy that never worked, let's increase the effort and money spent there. Let's quadruple it....we got nothing from it but 4x nothing will equal unimaginable success.

The smear campaign is at an all time high. It's really hard to imagine how 8 or 9 out of 10 posters are Nvidia bashers these days. But considering it's always the same song and tone over and over and over. There is a playbook, that seems obvious.

they all go something like this:
-nobody wants powerful cards, I can't wait till amd releases 290 performance for 250 bucks. That's the real game changer....

WHAT!!!! Amd was flash selling Hawaii for significantly lowered prices years ago. This has been and is not interesting. They aft as if the 970 is a total dud when it's performance is still right there in the 290-390 area. Over clocking still highly capable and it is very capable with very reason power consumption. The 970 was 329 years ago. It's been on sale many times and under 300 bucks...plus there have been mail in rebates.
290-290x performance for under 300 bucks is absolutely not anything to sing about. And this is why I believe amd is in such a bad position with polaris. They aren't gonna be able to make money at all on this new and expensive node.

Here is the other play
-as a Kepler owner, I am never buying Nvidia again. They sabotaged my drivers so amd is getting my money when polaris comes out.

This one grew out of the huge smear effort from a while back. A lot of time spent on the Kepler planned obsolete conspiracy theory. You know, Nvidia purposefully and deliberately reduced Kepler performance to force people to buy maxwell. You have to use totally different games on different systems, then compare it to amd cards while ignoring the major amd driver improvements that amd proudly had marketing campaigns based around. Do those things and with a few buddies you can spread FUD threads all over the Internet. It won't matter if a person sees thru it, there will be enough buddies to come in a smother out any logic...then get the thread locked if things start going the wrong way....and have your buddy mod delete post and call it clean up.
Well, since that campaign failed to slow down maxwell adoption, this twist on it should be 4 times effective. Now the playbook has the poster posing as a pissed off Kepler owner claiming Nvidia burned them and that they can't stomach ever buying from such an evil satanic company ever again. They will warn that anyone buying pascal will be harmed just the same and AMD is the saints in thus evil world where everyone else is out to get you.

-buying Nvidia is dumb cause their cards will perform worse down the road but invest in amd and your cards will perform better and better forever on end. They claim that you will loose more with Nvidia which is really strange. See, It seems there is no organized counter to amd red troopers because this one is the easiest to shut down . Nvidia cards hold value much better than amd cards...by alot!!
All this talk and its undeniable, you buy an Nvidia card, use it for however long and can sell it for a lot more than any amd equivalent. There is substantial evidence, just look on ebay.
Another strange thing to consider in this argument...
While it might seem to aimed at nvidia, this is not something that amd should be promoting eithet. They won't make money if they don't sell cards. So this, buy amd and don't buy again is really a strange marketing strategy...
Unless your not planning on being around for long anyway

[RolloTheGreat]

You are NUTS Ogre! People don't want the expensive overhyped chips NVIDIA produces, they want an elegant, efficient solution like the Polaris!

If people DO want a powerful card, the Radeon Pro Duo is the worlds fastest GPU.

-Red Crush
Advocate Team Leader

[SteelCrysis]

New Titan, GTX 1080 Ti, and GTX 1060 are on the way: http://techreport.com/news/30174/rumor-a...-the-works

[SteelCrysis]

http://videocardz.com/60265/nvidia-gefor...benchmarks

This time we are not including overclocking results in our charts, but we will tell you what we know. It appears that overclocked GTX 1070 will not beat GTX 1080 in synthetic benchmarks (hitting around 4450 GPU points in Ultra). More importantly GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition suffers from the same power limitation problem, that we know from GTX 1080.

That said the average overclocking frequency of Founders Edition is around 2060 MHz, but it will vary depending on the sample. The good news is that there is no problem with memory overclocking, most cards should be able to hit 9 GHz effective speed (2250 MHz), which unfortunately is still less than GTX 1080 (320 GB/s), but enough to increase bandwidth by 32 GB/s to 288 GB/s.

[SteelCrysis]

More info on GTX 1080 Ti: http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-pascal-gp102/
Unwinder reports his overclocking results with what is likely the GTX 1070: http://forums.guru3d.com/showpost.php?p=...stcount=99

[SteelCrysis]

Confirmation of new Pascal models from AIDA64 developers: http://videocardz.com/60289/breaking-new...-and-gp108

[SteelCrysis]

GTX 1080 hitting 2 GHz with no additional voltage: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gef...4-3,2.html

[SteelCrysis]

Zotac may have accidentally leaked the existence of the GTX 1080 Ti: http://videocardz.com/60525/zotac-teases...tx-1080-ti

[SteelCrysis]

Uh-oh: http://www.techpowerup.com/222895/nvidia...ing-issues

[SteelCrysis]

Good news: GTX 1080 Founder's Edition throttling can be avoided by boosting the power limit and fan speed, also Nvidia messed up by giving us unrealistic expectations of the Founder's Edition's cooling peformance:



Moar good news: EVGA's GTX 1080 SC ACX 3.0 demolishes DOOM at 4K with maxed out settings, while staying whisper quiet and as low as 66 C:

EVGA's selling this card and the FTW version, limit 2 per household:
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.asp...P4-6183-KR
http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.asp...P4-6286-KR

[SteelCrysis]

GTX 1070 review is up:

[SteelCrysis]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvid...585-6.html

That’s all background detail, though. Today’s benchmark results tell us all we need to know about how GeForce GTX 1070 fits into the gaming graphics market.

The short of it is that, in every test we ran, GeForce GTX 1070 is as fast as, or faster than the $1100+ GeForce GTX Titan X. It’s not always quick enough to beat AMD’s Radeon R9 Fury X, or even the vanilla Fury. But in those cases, Nvidia’s previous-gen cards lose by an even larger margin. And it’s hard to call the 1070’s losses meaningful at all. It’s imperceptibly slower than the Fury in Ashes of the Singularity and Hitman at 2560x1440 and 3840x2160. It’s imperceptibly faster than both Fiji-based cards in The Witcher 3 and The Division at 3840x2160. But everywhere else the 1070 enjoys an undeniable advantage.

Oh yeah, and remember that the 1070 Founders Edition card is slated to sell for $449. In the days prior to launch, GeForce GTX 980 Ti still goes for $550 and up. Titan X remains pegged at $1150. Radeon R9 Fury X commands $600 or more. And the vanilla Fury starts in the neighborhood of $520. As you might imagine, a GeForce GTX 1070 that outruns every one of those previous-gen products and sells for ~$450 completely rewrites our high-end recommendations moving forward.

Now consider Nvidia’s claim that third-party cards from its partners will start at $379. Tom’s Hardware staffers have different opinions of those custom designs, which are influenced by quality, cooling, noise and size. But if all you care about is performance, the 1070 puts incredible frame rates in reach of gamers who might have been looking at souped-up 970s or entry-level 980s previously. Flip back through the benchmarks to see what 1070 does to the 980. Now imagine how a 970 would fare.

Where would we deploy a GeForce GTX 1070? The board obviously has little trouble with QHD at maxed-out detail settings. It doesn’t quite get there at 4K, unfortunately—that’s an honor we’ll reserve for the GTX 1080. But if you’re willing to make some quality compromises, the 1070 could easily be a capable 4K card. Shoot, simply disabling anti-aliasing at 3840x2160 bumps Battlefield 4’s average frame rate from 43.5 to 63.7.

Don’t forget VR. While we still don’t have a final, definitive framework for benchmarking Oculus Rift or HTC Vive, my own experiences with the Rift suggested that a GeForce GTX 980 Ti delivered great performance in the launch-day titles. Presumably, an even faster 1070 would have headroom for next-gen games as well. And if they support some of the Pascal architecture’s VR-specific capabilities to improve efficiency, the 1070 could stand out from its predecessors even further.

As in our GeForce GTX 1080 review, Nvidia’s hardware does all of the talking. GeForce GTX 1070 is faster than the company’s fastest Maxwell-based solution at a price point less than half of what a Titan X still sells for. Our only gripe is that we’re dealing with a second paper launch in as many weeks. Hopefully the company has enough availability on June 10th to satisfy what will inevitably be a surge of demand.

[SteelCrysis]

Moar good reviews for GTX 1070:

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvi...ew,30.html

Everybody likes that GeForce GTX 1080, but the reality is that such high-end graphics cards have become too costly for many. A yeah and a half ago the GeForce GTX 970 however was a hit, a massive hit and within the same guidelines I feel that the GeForce GTX 1070 will be a tremendous success. Though Nvidia castrated the GPU a bit, the combo of the GPU with GDDR5 memory at 8 Gbps still offers plenty of horsepower. Realistically you are in the GeForce GTX 980 Ti range, and let's not forget that often the board-partner cards will be 10~20% faster as well. Now if you forget about the founders edition price-tag of $449 / 499 EURO for a second and think AIB/AIC prices, then you are looking at a $379 / 425 EURO bill for the cheaper models. So yeah that just makes a hell of a lot of sense, and you do get a full 8 GB of graphics memory as well (no puns here!). I stated it in the GeForce GTX 1080 article already, but 16 nm Pascal is working out surprisingly well for Nvidia. They have been able to clock the cards very high frequencies, and even this 1070 will boost in the 1.7~1.8 GHz domain, that's terrific.

The Pascal GP104 architecture is interesting, as in aside from a few changes in the pipeline, it looks VERY similar to Maxwell. Make no mistake there have been changes, but it shares a very similar structure. So the biggest benefit for Nvidia was 16 nm, as it allows them to drive their products to incredible clock frequencies whilst they can use less voltage, and that results in power consumption way under the 200 Watt marker. Though not that exquisite GDDR5X memory, the 1070 uses GDDR5 graphics memory, still it's effectively running at a nice data-rate of 8 Gbps which brings in a very nice memory performance boost compared to the last gen products. That fact armed with new color compression technologies effectively boosts the memory bandwidth a notch upwards compared to the GeForce GTX 970 and 980. Performance wise we really do need to compare to the GTX 970 with its 3.5 GB of effective memory, and yeah the GTX 1070 is much faster. You are looking at an order of 30 to 40% more performance, and that truly is substantial! It still is faster as a GTX 980 and roughly as fast as a 980 Ti. Next to that I have got to say, 8 GB 256-bit GDDR5 graphics memory also feels like an excellent and well-balanced amount of graphics memory anno 2016. Would you ever use 8 GB of memory? Well, not anytime soon. The largest number we ever measured as like 5 or 6 GB. But hey, who knows with titles like The Division / GTA5 and technologies like Ultra HD and / or DSR versus performance and VRAM what you find valid, or not. High up there in the enthusiast space there certainly is a market for cards like these. That makes these 8 GB models relevant for gaming.

The Pascal GP104 architecture is interesting, as in aside from a few changes in the pipeline, it looks VERY similar to Maxwell. Make no mistake there have been changes, but it shares a very similar structure. So the biggest benefit for Nvidia was 16 nm, as it allows them to drive their products to incredible clock frequencies whilst they can use less voltage, and that results in power consumption way under the 200 Watt marker. Though not that exquisite GDDR5X memory, the 1070 uses GDDR5 graphics memory, still it's effectively running at a nice data-rate of 8 Gbps which brings in a very nice memory performance boost compared to the last gen products. That fact armed with new color compression technologies effectively boosts the memory bandwidth a notch upwards compared to the GeForce GTX 970 and 980. Performance wise we really do need to compare to the GTX 970 with its 3.5 GB of effective memory, and yeah the GTX 1070 is much faster. You are looking at an order of 30 to 40% more performance, and that truly is substantial! It still is faster as a GTX 980 and roughly as fast as a 980 Ti. Next to that I have got to say, 8 GB 256-bit GDDR5 graphics memory also feels like an excellent and well-balanced amount of graphics memory anno 2016. Would you ever use 8 GB of memory? Well, not anytime soon. The largest number we ever measured as like 5 or 6 GB. But hey, who knows with titles like The Division / GTA5 and technologies like Ultra HD and / or DSR versus performance and VRAM what you find valid, or not. High up there in the enthusiast space there certainly is a market for cards like these. That makes these 8 GB models relevant for gaming.
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The GP104 Pascal GPU is rated as having a 150 Watt TDP under full stress, our measurements are only slightly above that at roughly 160 Watts. based upon the 1070 performance level you are looking at roughly 425~450 Watts for a stressed PC in total, that is okay. We are comfortable enough with a 600 Watt PSU, if you go with 2-way SLI, a 800~900 Watt power supply is recommended. Remember when purchasing a PSU, aim to double up in Wattage as your PSU is most efficient when it is under 50% load. Here again keep in mind we measure peak power consumption, the average power consumption is a good notch lower depending on GPU utilization. Also, if you plan to overclock the CPU/memory and/or GPU with added voltage, please do purchase a power supply with enough reserve. People often underestimate it, but if you tweak all three aforementioned variables, you can easily add 200 Watts to your peak power consumption budget as increasing voltages and clocks increases your power consumption.

http://www.legitreviews.com/nvidia-gefor..._181760/16

The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition at $449 was found to perform faster more times than not when compared to the AMD Radeon R9 Fury X flagship graphics card with HBM memory that costs a whopping $639.99 before rebates. The custom Add-In-Board (AIB) partner cards for the GeForce GTX 1070 will likely be clocked faster than the Founder Edition model that we looked at today and will run just $379. That means the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 is poised to dominate the $400 price point until AMD can come up with something in this price range to put some pressure back on NVIDIA. Right now the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 and GeForce GTX 1070 video cards based on the new Pascal GPU architecture are going to dominate things! The GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition sold out in minutes and we have a good feeling that the GeForce GTX 1070 is going to sell like hotcakes as well.

Performance of the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 was amazing for the price point. We took the average FPS from our Battlefield 4 results and found the cost per FPS based on Newegg pricing on May 29th, 2016. The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 can be picked up for $309.49 and runs $8.99 per FPS on BF4 at 4K. The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition isn’t too far behind at $9.30. The thing you need to keep in mind is that the GeForce GTX 1070 MSRP for third party cards is just $379.99. We charted that for fun with the results from the Founders Edition card and found it to be the best bang for the buck of all the cards at $7.85. The AMD Radeon R9 Fury, R9 Nano and R9 Fury X all proved to have the worst price versus performance ratio on this particular game title. This is bad news for AMD as they are no longer competitive when it comes to price versus performance. AMD’s flagship ‘Fury’ and ‘Nano’ cards might have the latest HBM memory, but the performance and price tag needs to be adjusted now that NVIDIA has released Pascal GPUs on the GeForce GTX 1070 and GeForce GTX 1080!

Our NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition video card also overclocked really well and we saw the boost clocks hit over 2100MHz while gaming with full stability and that left us pretty damn impressed. NVIDIA really did some great tuning to the Pascal architecture and of course the die shrink helped, but before we learned the details on these cards we didn’t think that we’d be running the core clock at 2100 to 2200 MHz! The best part of the GeForce GTX 1070 is that it isn’t a power hog. Our test system ran consistently in the 270-280W range while gaming and that is awesome. When we went back to spot check some numbers on the AMD Radeon R9 Fury X right after using the GeForce GTX 1070 the different was night and day. The Radeon R9 Fury X runs around 500 Watts and quickly changes the room temperature if you use it for an extended period of time. The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 is a solid performing card that is very well rounded. We have no complaints on performance, noise, power consumption, temperatures or anything.

If you can’t afford the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 at $599-$699 we highly suggest giving the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 a look at $379 to $449. This card is killer at 1080P and 1440 screen resolutions and it isn’t a slouch at 4K, but most 4K gamers might be yearning for the power of the GeForce GTX 1080 and we fully understand that! If you have an older GeForce GTX 500 or 600 series card the performance increase will be astonishing and we are looking at putting together an article to show the performance increases for folks with older cards here shortly.

The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 will hit store shelves on June 10th and it easily gets our recommended award!

http://www.techspot.com/review/1182-nvid...page8.html

Going into this review, we knew that the GeForce GTX 1070 had 25% less CUDA cores than the GTX 1080, so we expected that on average the 1070 would be between 20 and 25% slower. Well, those expectations were met as the 1070 was 20% slower at 1440p and 18% slower at 1080p. However, considering that 1070 costs 37% less when comparing MSRPs (for the partner boards), this is an excellent value, and is why this product has been highly anticipated by a lot of people.

With Titan X and 980 Ti-like performance, the GTX 1070 looks like the best option for 1440p gamers, delivering well north of 60 FPS in nearly every game we tested.

AMD is yet to adjust its upper tier pricing, so the 1070 should come in at a little over 40% cheaper than the Fury X if that board partner MSRP is met. This doesn't bode well for AMD as the 1070 was 6% faster than the Fury X at 1440p and 12% faster at 1080p.

The other interesting AMD comparison is the soon-to-be-replaced R9 390, which currently costs around $300. While the 1070 is 27% more expensive, it delivered 36% more performance at 1440p and 39% more at 1080p, so it presents the better value.

For those wondering whether the 1070 would justify its $50 premium over the GTX 970, we're glad to report that you can expect anywhere from 40% to almost 70% more performance in today’s games. On average, the 1070 was 57% faster than the 970 which is similar to the 1080 vs. 980 performance gain.

The key advantage here for GTX 970 owners other than the huge jump in performance is the fact that it comes without a power penalty. The 1070 performs akin to a Titan X while drawing around 25% less juice.

Compared to the GTX 1080, the slight reduction in power usage for the 1070 means that the Founders Edition cooler can keep the card below 80 degrees at all times using the standard fan profile (assuming a room temp of 21 degrees or thereabouts). This is excellent for a reference cooler, especially because the 1070 runs almost silently. That said, there's no way it's worth paying an extra 18% over board partner cards which will very likely run even cooler while maintaining similarly quiet operation.

Another drawback of the Founders Edition card is in its overclocking headroom. Like the 1080, the 1070 was good for a minor bump in frequency which lead to a decent 12% performance boost. That isn't a terrible result, but we expect the partner boards to do considerably better on this front.

Overall, the GTX 1070 is an exceptional upper-tier offering that delivers previous-gen flagship performance at a serious discount. It's every bit as good as the 1080 we saw almost two weeks ago - in fact, you could argue that the 1070 is a better product thanks to its superior cost per frame ratio. With the initial results in, we're looking forward to variants by Nvidia's board partners as well as AMD's response.

[RolloTheGreat]

Over at ATVF, the AMD faithful revile the 1070 as "overkill for 1080p", "too cut down from 1080", and "too expensive".

While ignoring that it's more powerful than anything AMD has or will have anytime soon, much cheaper than a Fury X, and has twice the VRAM.



Like I said, hard times to be on Team Red.

I wonder how they feel posting these laughable lies?

When I was in Focus Group, it was pretty easy to post about how good the stuff they sent me was- it was always either the best stuff you could buy, or arguably the best stuff you could buy. (so I never had to straight out lie like these guys)

[ocre]

Honestly
Can't wait for polaris.

I expect AMD themselves will put the nails in the coffin. Geez , I never seen so much negatively for a card that is better than anything that was out, and in many was significantly better. Even the price, it is a better value than AMDS upper and mid upper tier cards, lower power, faster....just out right leagues ahead. Then the fact that there will be nothing coming from and that can touch it.
Polaris 30-40% slower. And AMD will not be pricing polaris at 199. I suspect that the flagship polaris will launch at closer to 300 bucks. I also suspect that Nvidia priced the 1070 at 370 because they had some inclination as to where abouts they expected polaris to perform. For God's sake, Nvidia has a super computer emulator that they work out their gpus with. They plug in values and pretty much have performance closely estimated long before the chip is fabbed. They could easily use this technology to estimate pretty precisely any chip, the more information the more accurate.

Nvidia and AMD serve the same market, even have the same distributer and 3rd party partners. They use parts from the same companies. It's hard to keep secrets, especially when AMD had polaris gpus put in a laptop way back before the 1st of the year. There have been samples, I truly believe AMD has been in a bad position and not willing to pull the trigger. Perhaps there were respins, idk.
It's just hard to not see there has been a reluctance.
We know the new node is more expensive, AMD doesn't have a chip that moves performance at all. So not releasing may have been financial as well.

The point is, AMD seems to have put off polaris. That the 1070 price increase over the 970 is one of the best things that could have happened for them. I am sure at 300 bucks, AMD would be in a world of hurt. I suspect that Nvidia isn't trying to kill off amd.

They will try to say a significantly weaker chip from amd at 299 is all you need and anything more is a waste of money

It is the same few people, over and over. They are on nearly every forum. Spewing the same cap. It's really annoying

[BoFox]

How does NV plan to milk the Pascal generation?

GP104:  Just like Kepler GK104 (GTX 680) all over again - around 25% faster than previous flagship, much smaller and more efficient. 

Then when AMD threatens with Vega that has HBM2 memory, Nvidia launches GP102 that has 50% more of everything (except for maybe slightly lower core clock due to its size - probably no more than 10% less).  40% faster is a safe bet.

A while after that, AMD tries its final attack with a Fury-like massive monster (up to 600mm^2).  That is about as big as GP100, the big Pascal that Nvidia already announced (but probably won't be available for a long while).  All this time, Nvidia has secretly been planing on GP110, with additional tweaks and refinements.  It might be a bit like Maxwell vs Kepler, that largely did away with the FP64 double precision stuff.  (I.E., TITAN BLACK, which is Kepler, has 1:3 double to single precision ratio, but then Titan X Maxwell has only 1:32 ratio.)  GP100 has a full-fledged 1:2 ratio, which certainly does take up a lot of resources.  It'd be like GTX 580 GF110 vs GTX 480 GF100 (which was never fully unlocked anyway, but you get the idea..), but maybe even better.  I wouldn't be surprised if NV calls it GP200 instead of GP110.

Now, I'm putting my crystal ball back in the closet.  Hope you guys enjoyed the show.

[SteelCrysis]

GTX 1070 handles DOOM well at 1440p and 4K Ultra, though the video recorder suffers some slowdowns:

[SteelCrysis]

First benchmark of GP100 spotted, but it's not a usual benchmark: http://videocardz.com/60881/first-and-on...00-spotted

[SteelCrysis]

Also, advance news of Hardware.info's review of the MSI GTX 1080 GAMING X: http://videocardz.com/60838/msi-geforce-...rs-edition

[RolloTheGreat]

Also, advance news of Hardware.info's review of the MSI GTX 1080 GAMING X: http://videocardz.com/60838/msi-geforce-...rs-edition

I pre-ordered this card yesterday for $611 at Amazon:

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product...id=5915#kf

Not an "ultimate OCer" card, but I don't OC cards anyway. A better built 1080 that won't throttle.

[BoFox]

Cool!  I ain't buying anything this summer.  I've decided to focus on taking kids out on vacations and stuff.  They're all growing so fast - we have enough technology crap that we don't need more to distract us from enjoying beautiful Mother Earth in all of its glory! 

Just 30-40 years ago, kids used to play outside nearly everyday in most neighborhoods.  Now, we hardly see any kids activity on any of the neighborhoods, except for perhaps the poorest of all the neighborhoods in the public housing (apartment rows) parts of the city - and by poor, I mean poor enough to not even be able to afford the old used PS2 at a Goodwill store.  They're all riding stolen bicycles around the streets just as much as I did when I was a kid.  Kids just a bit less poor stay indoors just like the rest of the generic American population.

Right now, I'm taking my family out!  They're so damn addicted to computers that I almost literally had to drag them away.

[RolloTheGreat]

Cool!  I ain't buying anything this summer.  I've decided to focus on taking kids out on vacations and stuff.  They're all growing so fast - we have enough technology crap that we don't need more to distract us from enjoying beautiful Mother Earth in all of its glory! 

Just 30-40 years ago, kids used to play outside nearly everyday in most neighborhoods.  Now, we hardly see any kids activity on any of the neighborhoods, except for perhaps the poorest of all the neighborhoods in the public housing (apartment rows) parts of the city - and by poor, I mean poor enough to not even be able to afford the old used PS2 at a Goodwill store.  They're all riding stolen bicycles around the streets just as much as I did when I was a kid.  Kids just a bit less poor stay indoors just like the rest of the generic American population.

Right now, I'm taking my family out!  They're so damn addicted to computers that I almost literally had to drag them away.

I don't care about the 1080 much, but Rollo Jr wants it. He plays soccer about year round, and golfs as able. We get out fishing or hunting at least weekly, so I don't worry about him being a shut in.

[happy medium]

Looks like i'll grab a gtx1070 aftermarket in about a month, if they don't release a 1060 by then.

[SteelCrysis]

EVGA GTX 1070 Founder's Edition is up on EVGA's website, odds are the custom cooled versions will follow: http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList...t=GTX+1070

[RolloTheGreat]

EVGA GTX 1070 Founder's Edition is up on EVGA's website, odds are the custom cooled versions will follow: http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList...t=GTX+1070

Early adopter tax....mid range card high range price....Ashes of Singularity benches....throttling....fan revving up.....FUGLY......overkill and wasteful.....consoles are AMD.....ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF!!!

-AMD Andy, the voice of reason

[SteelCrysis]

MSI GTX 1080 GAMING X overclocks badly, reviewer blames it on the silicon lottery:

[SteelCrysis]

GP102 rumor: http://videocardz.com/60950/nvidia-pasca...00-spotted
Nvidia no longer requires an enthusiast key for 3-way and 4-way SLI, but will only be enabling 3-way and 4-way SLI for a few applications: http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards...bled-games

[RolloTheGreat]

GP102 rumor: http://videocardz.com/60950/nvidia-pasca...00-spotted
Nvidia no longer requires an enthusiast key for 3-way and 4-way SLI, but will only be enabling 3-way and 4-way SLI for a few applications: http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards...bled-games

It's too tiny of a market to pursue I imagine. The 200 guys on the planet that aren't tech press who do it will be sad, but not a big deal.

[ocre]

You know....
I wonder how much dx12 and win 10 has to do with this. Multi gpu is reliant on the developer but the performance used to be dependent on drivers. A lot has changed with dx12 and multi gpu. Developers have way on them and thus limits the driver role

[SteelCrysis]

GTX 1070 is out, and it's selling out: http://techreport.com/news/30263/geforce...m-pickings

[SteelCrysis]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDI...70/29.html

In our NVIDIA GTX 1080 review, we were stunned by the awesomeness of NVIDIA's flagship card. Today, we've reviewed its smaller brother, the GTX 1070, and oh boy, things are looking good. The GTX 1070 is built on a similar platform as the GTX 1080. The only noteworthy differences are the reduced number of shaders (1920 vs 2560), a move from the more expensive GDDR5X memory to GDDR5, but with higher clocks to make up for the loss in bandwidth (256 GB/s vs. 320 GB/s), and a slightly reduced base clock (1506 MHz vs 1607 MHz). The clock frequency difference is actually minimal in real-life due to Boost 3.0, which runs both cards at around 1780 MHz on average.
As a result, the GeForce GTX 1070 is 20 percent behind the GTX 1080 at 2560x1440, conclusively beating the Titan X by around 10% while also delivering 5% better performance than GTX 970 SLI - at much better pricing. Compared to the previous-generation GTX 970, the performance uplift is 61% - impressive! AMD's fastest, the R9 Fury X, is 14% behind, just like the GTX 980 Ti.
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Power efficiency of GTX 1070 is nearly as good as with the GTX 1080 since performance-per-watt is just a few percent lower. Still, both cards play in a league of their own, being nearly twice as power efficient as AMD's Fury X. The 16 nanometer process by TSMC Taiwan has certainly paid off. It will be interesting to see what AMD can achieve with their next-generation Radeon RX cards built on a 14 nanometer GlobalFoundries process - the bar is set sky high.

Overclocking on the GTX 1070 worked well, reaching 2088 MHz GPU clock, which is in the same range as the GTX 1080 that managed 2114 MHz. It looks like most Pascal GPUs go up to 2000-2100 MHz (I have a bunch of custom designs here already). Memory overclocking is truly amazing, setting a new record here at TPU with 2330 MHz, which brings the card close to the memory bandwidth of the GDDR5X based GTX 1080.

Pricing of the GeForce GTX 1070 is good, with an MSRP of $379, which would make it the price-performance king, no matter the performance segment as it is only beaten by R9 280X. At NVIDIA's Founders Edition pricing of $449, the card still delivers excellent performance-per-dollar that is, however, more in-line with what the GTX 970 currently offers, just at a higher price-to-performance point.

AMD's upcoming Polaris cards will be nowhere near the GTX 1070 in terms of performance. Rather, expect RX 480 to perform about 20-30% slower. But AMD's $199 pricing for the 480 could stir things up, so if you don't need a new card immediately, maybe wait a few weeks and see how things pan out, which would also allow you to see how the custom GTX 1070 designs by board partners turn out. The GeForce GTX 1070 will be available online and in stores today, but stock is probably limited, so if you want to pull the trigger, pull it fast.

[RolloTheGreat]

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/public...33b29.html

[happy medium]

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/public...33b29.html

I thought I was crazy.
Thanks I laughed.

Yea AMD has 21 days to sit back and watch Nvidia rake in the cash, at least!

[BoFox]

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/public...33b29.html

LOL!!

It's mind-boggling how many AMD fanatics there are polluting the comments section of WCCFtech.  They downvote every pro-Nvidia comment and up-vote the pro-AMD comments like they got nothing else to do on Earth.

7675 comments so far on this - perhaps breaking a new record?!???  It's unreal how AMD got its fanatics to do the mud-slinging for them!

http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-480-3d-mark-benchmarks/

[ocre]

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/public...33b29.html

I thought I was crazy.
Thanks I laughed.

Yea AMD has 21 days to sit back and watch Nvidia rake in the cash, at least!

Were are the leaks? If AMD is launching with availability in 21 days, then their partners would have to have chips. When partners get them, then come the leaks. Box art and performance leak like crazy. The leaks are pretty scarce right now, I would expect more. Gaming performance, we should be seeing plenty of leaks..

If we don't start seeing leaks flooding in, like really really soon, the launch may not one with readily available cards.

I am ready to see what this Polaris is all about. My original outlook was Hawaii class performance. This was a very long time ago. My projections was this low when most people were claiming much higher. I am still expecting Hawaii class. I am also sure that the reviews will put the 480 against the throttling original blower 290x. It will have far better performance per watt, it's gonna be great to see how they spin this one. I expect that the original blower Hawaii chips will be used to try to prop up the 480, all the argument their fans made about the great custom chips...all that will be forgotten.
The throttling 290x blower reference edition, that will be used to prop up the 480...I am calling it.

I kinda hope we, at the very least, see the 480 top the throttling reference 290x. Anyways. I have a low low bar right now

[SickBeast]

Yup I agree with you ocre.

[RolloTheGreat]

Well, I waited 11 days for preorder of GTX1080, then saw the EVGA 980 Ti Classified deal for $409 shipped from newegg on Ebay and jumped at that.

I figure:

A. I have 90 days step up, and can enter step up program on a 1080 FTW edition and actually know I'll get the card someday.
B. Might choose to wait for 1080 Ti/Titan, which we were hoping for anyway.


Anyway you cut it, I figure I can't lose at $409..

EDIT:

Not to mention the Classified looks to be a much better card than my 980 Ti reference was, looks like I should get halfway to 1080 performance just at stock speeds.

[SteelCrysis]

ExtremeTech tells us the obvious: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/230317...ice-spikes

[SickBeast]

BOFOX JUST HAS TO BUY ONE.

[RolloTheGreat]

BOFOX JUST HAS TO BUY ONE.

I'm not saying I "won't" but I'll definitely wait the 90 days.

If Titan comes out for $1000, I'll step up to that.

If they add some of the higher end 1080 models to the Step Up list, I might do that. (E.G. I would love a Hybrid 1080)