03-24-2017, 07:15 AM
(03-24-2017, 06:07 AM)BenSkywalker Wrote:Quote:If you're inferring this is all some whacky plot to discredit Trump:
Oh not at all, I'm sure you've seen the news and saw that Trump was actually being spied on by the government- not in line with his claims by any means, but the fact that it was being done in and of itself is what I'm looking at.
My question for Sick is quite simple, is he willing to hold the exact same standards up for Obama/Trudeau as he is for Trump.
I can't stand any of them, just looking to see if there is a shred of intellectual or moral integrity in his stance or if it is just nutjob politics speaking.
My stance is simple- *IF* Trump *AND* Obama are found to do the same thing, they should face the same punishment.
But how do you know "not in line with his claims by any means"? Why are you forcibly repeating this? Do you know where you heard it? From the same media that absolutely slaughtered trump from the second he posted the tweet. They went on this massive bash campaign of ridicule, how absolutely absurd trumps claims were . How he was a total buffoon and that nothing he says can be trusted it. Because, you know he said something and didnt follow their demands, which they burnt him at the stake for not turning over everything he knows to the press when the demanded it.
Do you not realize that their demands were insane. That trump and the administration said they would not speak on this anymore as they wanted congress to be look into it.
Are you smart enough to realize that the info that came out yesterday wasnt news to trump? That the house committee was handed information that the intelligence departments withheld from them, this was info they were specifically asking for when they agreed they would investigate this as trump asked.
Do you also realize that there is very much serious legal concerns here, some high level people involved in some serious acts. The media scorched trump because he wouldnt hand over the evidence to them...its completely insane...take the time and look at the situation.
The same media that scorched trump because he didnt hand over potentially incriminating evidence which would go pretty dam deep. Trump said congress should be the one looking into it... there is only two options now. He made it all up and this new info is just completely an ironic god send, OR- trump actually has access to information that the general population doesnt. That trump knew at the very least, this information before hes tweet. Do you really think that he did not?
Did you see his response when a reported said, "do you feel vindicated?". He sure didnt seem surprised or even shocked, actually he seemed like meh. His answer, "somewhat". he somewhat feels vindicated.
think about that. He wasnt fazed by the news and isnt bragging i told you so. Instead, "somewhat"
Its pretty clear to me that there is a lot more to it. More than the little bit that has started to come out.
the media has to downplay and for the "its not how trump said it was" in, else he would be right and they would all be fools. they would all look like idiots, but their job is to make trump the idiot.
Here is another fact. Obama signed an executive order to spread this information 17 different intelligence agencies. Unprecedented act in of itself. But, now you see the info that was spread...this info, this seriously questionable shit.
They claim it was all gathered from listening to diplomats. But this info reads like a PI report. John doe went here, done this at 900 hours. he will be going to place b at 4, and is to place b AT 6.
it was tracking of not only whom and their conversations, but also where they went and where they will be, who they will talk to in the future...and it all was put together illegally...then spread to all the other agencies by obama. Which these agencies leaked parts to the media, all in an effort to take down trump
the bigger issue is how deep it goes. And how much should the public know about.
you are hearing the forced "its not at all like trump said" from the same people that said he was insane for suggesting anything like that. And here you are, inserting that and spreading this for them.
You have no idea if it things were not like trump said. Now you see there is something really bad that went on. yet you are talking about it in the same words that the media does now. the once who denounced any such thing ever happened.
Well, i guess deny...attack the source, never admit you are wrong tactics work well.
I am not saying that it is like trump said. But i know for sure that now there is some strange evidence that simply should not be there if i listened to them media all along.
I also know that they nor you know if it is like trump said or not. We dont even have but a tiny bit of the info, heck even the commitee doesnt have it all yet. The FBI has completely stopped helping them...an then came this leak.
Well, surely you might ought to consider that there is more to this story.

