10-17-2018, 01:00 AM
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/27893...e-increase
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/..._review/12
Quote:Ostensibly, the 2070 should be a $500 part, but reviewers are flatly telling readers not to expect any cards in-market for that price any time soon. Instead, these GPUs will launch at $600 and above, which means they’ve effectively left the GTX 1080 behind and are bidding to challenge the GTX 1080 Ti. And as of today, you can buy a GTX 1080 for $434 on Newegg, which means the 2070 needs to demonstrate some significant performance gains to match it. With a base price of $600, we’re looking for the RTX 2070 to offer at least 1.38x more performance than the GTX 1080 to be a decent buy.
The chart — not to mention reviews — confirm this isn’t something the RTX 2070 can actually do. Anandtech delivers the nasty news in a single paragraph.
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The comparison doesn’t get any better if we check relative generation-to-generation upgrades for the x70 family. Anand points out that while the GTX 1070 delivered a 1.57x increase in 1440p performance relative to the GTX 970, the GTX 2070 can only manage a 1.36x increase over the GTX 1070. Now, watch the math. We’ll use the higher-priced FE cards to make the comparison look better for Nvidia.
GTX 970 launch price: $329
GTX 1070 launch price: $449
GTX 2070 launch price: $600
In 2016, you could buy a 1.57x increase in performance for a 1.36x increase in price. Today, you can buy a 1.36x increase in performance for a 1.33x increase in price relative to the launch price of the GTX 1070. Except, of course, the GTX 1070 isn’t a launch card anymore. It currently sells for $339 — which means the actual price/performance ratio for this comparison is a 1.76x increase in price for a 1.36x increase in performance.
This is not compelling. It will never be compelling.
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But even this generous assumption leaves the RTX 2070 falling flat. It has just 78 percent the ray tracing performance of the RTX 2080, which means gamers can look forward to bumping along at ~47fps in 1080p with their brand-new $600 video card. As I discuss in our review of the RTX 2080 and RTX 2080 Ti, history overwhelmingly indicates that taking a bet on a next-gen feature by trying to buy in at a low level rarely works. If you don’t believe me, ask an 8800 GTS owner if they were happy to see the GPUs they bought for $400 in 2006 blown out of the water by a $300 card barely a year later.
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I’ve made it clear that I don’t think gamers should buy Turing GPUs. The price increases aren’t remotely justified by available performance and the future value of ray tracing and DLSS is a complete unknown. But I will say this: The more you care about ray tracing and performance in that mode, the leerier you should be of buying an RTX 2070. If you doubt this, do yourself a favor, and go look at reviews of early DirectX 10 and even some DX11 GPUs, like the HD 5770. It’s common for midrange cards to struggle in new APIs. And ray tracing, as Nvidia has noted, is far more than just an API change — it requires extensive silicon support, specialized hardware, and capabilities that are only now in their infancy.
If you really care about future performance, wait. Don’t buy the sizzle. Don’t buy the idea that Nvidia wouldn’t ship a GPU with technical ray tracing ability that couldn’t practically be used for ray tracing. It’s entirely possible that games will offer different levels of ray tracing to target different GPUs, but since we don’t know if that’ll happen yet or how good it will look if it does. The RTX 2070 might end up delivering rather uninspiring support levels while the jaw-dropping effects in Battlefield V require a GPU $200 – $600 more expensive.
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/..._review/12
Quote:Update: MSI has contacted us today asking HardOCP to remove this RTX 2070 review, even though MSI had nothing to do with sourcing this review. NVIDIA's green feathers are apparently flying over this RTX 2070 review being published before its embargo date and time that is has with reviewers that signed its NDA. This is how things turn out when NVIDIA tries to force 5 year blanket NDAs down journalists throats. We chose not to sign NVIDIA's NDA. Our review is 100% legitimate and we are not going to remove it because NVIDIA is throwing a fit over it being published. The fact of the matter is that NVIDIA changed its entire NDA/Product Embargo structure after we reported on GPP this year. It did this to muzzle stories about NVIDIA in the future, and it is on NVIDIA for tying that to its product reviews. It is sad that MSI is having to deal with the brunt of NVIDIA's fury over this, and to that, we are sorry that is happening. This review could have easily been over any other AIB's card, it just so happens that an MSI card was the first one that we could source.