07-05-2015, 11:36 PM
(07-05-2015, 01:49 PM)gstanford Wrote:Quote:Have you ever hooked up your computer to a TV? A 32" TV at 720p? How about a +40" 1080p tv? The first thing you notice is the text, you cannot help but notice the text looks whacky.
You can't possibly be serious with that statement.
http://i.imgur.com/zUsHLFO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/JpqzjuW.jpg
Sorry for the overall quality of the pics, they were taken on my phone, so are grainy and soft, but still you get the idea.
The TV in the photos is a generic 40" 1080p unit, Dick Smith (in-house brand of an Australian electronics chain) that I picked up for $299 AU.
https://www.choice.com.au/products/elect...ith-ge6877
http://s7.postimg.org/ty1qv3pxn/receipt.jpg
Use the VGA/PC input of the TV if it has one, HDMI is garbage in comparison and will make text look weird on the desktop.
1080 is a few more pixels than 720.
I said specifically text because it is one of the places where loosing finer details by going to larger pixels is easily noticeable. It is not that text is a special thing, they are just a few pixels wide and most people pick up on the difference right off the bat.
If you are gonna set and argue that there is no noticeable difference in large pixels with a very skimpy pixel density vs small pixels in a very dense packed environment, then this conversation has just got childish. I dont wish to argue common sense. Computer monitors have always had much higher pixel density than TVs
If you havent ever seen a computer up close hooked up to a 32" 720p TV, then i have no idea why you butted in the conversation. It looks terrible at 2 ft away. This is because of pixel density.
This is how it works, text are made of pixels. the bigger the pixels, the rough edges start to stand out. This is freaking common sense and common knowledge. Clear type is used on computer monitors with way more pixel density than TVs (which are 50ppi and below), do either of you know what cleartype is?
Anyway, lets go back to elementary school---------------->
![[Image: bitmap-text-2.gif]](http://www.xaraxone.com/webxealot/workbook50/bitmap-text-2.gif)
![[Image: eizo-text-antialiased.jpg]](http://www.toastyx.net/hd2441w/eizo-text-antialiased.jpg)
Notice the picture above, it has little sub pixels lit up.
Letters are made up of pixels, which are like little squares. Those squares (a single pixel) are typically made of 3 sub pixels, which are smaller blocks of red, blue, and green.
On computer monitors, built into windows is a neat feature called clear type. It was created because even the nice and jam packed pixel density in computer LCDs wasnt enough and some people still seen funny and unnatural letters.
![[Image: 2082803540_0a3c59cb72.jpg]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2403/2082803540_0a3c59cb72.jpg)
That is how text is produced on your screen. The larger the display for a given resolution, the larger each pixel becomes. The difference between a 22" 1080 panel and a 40" 1080 panel is quite significant. The pixels are a whopping 182% bigger.
If you sit further back from the 40" TV it matters less and less. You dont see the individual pixel detail anymore and your brain easily fills in the tiny gaps.
I wouldnt imagine anyone sitting 2ft away from a 40" TV being used as a computer monitor. But there are people who hook their computer to smaller TVs and wonder why it doesnt look as good. The specific example I sighted (a 32" 720p TV) is a case i seen in real life. A person hooked his computer up to a 720p TV and put it on his desk, sitting just 2ft away and saying..........why does the text look funny?
But he is not the only person who noticed that text looks worst as pixel density drops. To many, it is one of the first things they will notice (including me).
You can use clear type to try to clear up text on TVs, but there becomes a point where the letters arent gonna look good...
![[Image: text-rendering-methods.gif]](http://annystudio.com/misc/anti-aliased-fonts-hurt/text-rendering-methods.gif)
Unless you are sitting back at a distance where it doesnt matter, you loose the finer details and your brain is fooled into seeing perfectly smooth letters.
My eyes only correct to 20/30, so i am really confused to how computer guys like gstan and sickbeast have never seen how text starts loooking funnier and funnier as pixels density gets lower and lower. This isnt a matter of opinion, its an absolute fact. You may be conditioned to ignore the blotchy and rough lettering, but it is there.
The 32" 720 has less density than a 40" 1080 tv, so the 32" would look worse sitting 2ft away.
That doesnt mean that everyone will find a 55ppi density acceptable, from a distance it matters less and less. But at 2ft away it will obviously look far worse than a 40" 4k TV. If you really cant absorb this, i am leaving out of the conversation. What you find acceptable is a different matter. Preference is preference but that doesnt mean that there is no difference in images made from large pixels vs images made from small. What you find good enough, it is subjective. I am not arguing that. I dont care to. But surely, if you know how letters are made on a panel, you can understand how pixel size would have a direct effect on text. If you would argue that still, after this post, you are on your own.

