08-12-2015, 09:18 AM
I think bofox just blowed your minds!!!!!!
He does have some major points. I don't understand how you can say that a brother and sister in love and having sex is a choice but at the same time claim gays don't have a choice.
The huge risk a brother and sister takes, having to hide away their relationship because of the extreme things that would happen to them if the world found out. Is that a choice? Is love a choice for those who incest but not for gays? How does that work.
I am actually on the other side and never shared bofox's distaste for gay marriage. I have always believed gays should have the right to live as they choose, I believed 100%. I have had many gay friends, even had a gay person get the wrong ideas about me and make a physical pass. Some of my best friends in my life were gay.
I can see bofox'a point. As much as it disgust you, I see his point as valid.
As for the marriage at a young age, that is an area I also see his point in. But at the same time, our modern world requires children to be programmed and conditioned throughout their life until they become legally an adult. In this, the good outweighs the bad. Our modern society needs school even if it infringes on individual freedoms and liberty. That's the point though. All these things are true to an extent and we fake and pretend throughout the rest.
I personally believe school is a great thing but to enforce this, we condemn children in their rights. Even their parents are forced when it comes to children. The Government not only has the say, they will take your kids if you don't do it their way. But I am sure that people who argue for limited government, they don't really want that. That just want whatever might benefit them when it comes to limited government.
They don't care about all people having rights to live how they want, they won't stand for incestual love. Many people who argue limited government can't stand the idea of gay marriage. What a surprise!
That's not what they want.
Ultimately, how many people out there are really fooled? At the end of the day, very few things add up. We just pretend.
I believe that school is great for our society. That the government should have say in how we raise our children. But if I say those things, I can't say that I believe in limited government. Dictating how we raise our children, that is anything but limited. About as invasive as you can get. The next thing they will tell us is how to spend our money......which they do. Already.... Try raising children in a home with no electricity. Would you argue this is right?
The government has the final say when it comes to our children. They can't do whatever they want and we can't raise them any way we want. Liberty? That's not what we really believe in, not for all. I am cool with that but I find myself laughing at the people who preach just about anything. Cause it's almost always self serving when you boil it all down.
The government decided you are not an adult until 18, I can stand by that. But how many kids hate this, they don't have the rights of a man or woman. But I see the common good and support this no matter how unfair some teenagers think it is. Because I support this, they can't just marry much older people. We have to train them, they are our future. They need to go to school, not marry and make babies!!!!
Anyway, most of these ideas are just people pushing personal agendas. No one wants limited government, as popular as this cry has become. That isn't what they really want.
He does have some major points. I don't understand how you can say that a brother and sister in love and having sex is a choice but at the same time claim gays don't have a choice.
The huge risk a brother and sister takes, having to hide away their relationship because of the extreme things that would happen to them if the world found out. Is that a choice? Is love a choice for those who incest but not for gays? How does that work.
I am actually on the other side and never shared bofox's distaste for gay marriage. I have always believed gays should have the right to live as they choose, I believed 100%. I have had many gay friends, even had a gay person get the wrong ideas about me and make a physical pass. Some of my best friends in my life were gay.
I can see bofox'a point. As much as it disgust you, I see his point as valid.
As for the marriage at a young age, that is an area I also see his point in. But at the same time, our modern world requires children to be programmed and conditioned throughout their life until they become legally an adult. In this, the good outweighs the bad. Our modern society needs school even if it infringes on individual freedoms and liberty. That's the point though. All these things are true to an extent and we fake and pretend throughout the rest.
I personally believe school is a great thing but to enforce this, we condemn children in their rights. Even their parents are forced when it comes to children. The Government not only has the say, they will take your kids if you don't do it their way. But I am sure that people who argue for limited government, they don't really want that. That just want whatever might benefit them when it comes to limited government.
They don't care about all people having rights to live how they want, they won't stand for incestual love. Many people who argue limited government can't stand the idea of gay marriage. What a surprise!
That's not what they want.
Ultimately, how many people out there are really fooled? At the end of the day, very few things add up. We just pretend.
I believe that school is great for our society. That the government should have say in how we raise our children. But if I say those things, I can't say that I believe in limited government. Dictating how we raise our children, that is anything but limited. About as invasive as you can get. The next thing they will tell us is how to spend our money......which they do. Already.... Try raising children in a home with no electricity. Would you argue this is right?
The government has the final say when it comes to our children. They can't do whatever they want and we can't raise them any way we want. Liberty? That's not what we really believe in, not for all. I am cool with that but I find myself laughing at the people who preach just about anything. Cause it's almost always self serving when you boil it all down.
The government decided you are not an adult until 18, I can stand by that. But how many kids hate this, they don't have the rights of a man or woman. But I see the common good and support this no matter how unfair some teenagers think it is. Because I support this, they can't just marry much older people. We have to train them, they are our future. They need to go to school, not marry and make babies!!!!
Anyway, most of these ideas are just people pushing personal agendas. No one wants limited government, as popular as this cry has become. That isn't what they really want.