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11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency
(01-28-2016, 04:39 PM)RolloTheGreat Wrote:
(01-28-2016, 08:26 AM)SickBeast Wrote: Realistically when you think about it, these Republican leaders are basically guys like Rollo with a ton of money.  So just picture Rollo running for office.  That is the mentality these guys have.  So IMO they have to have a bit of a screw loose.  It requires a certain level of selfishness to be a Republican.

Dependency does no one any good.

Look at the 3rd, 4th, 5th gen welfare families. Do you think their kids are better off than my son, having two parents who are each capable of supporting a middle class household as role models? "You go sign up at the government, and they take money from others to feed and house you. Working is too hard."

Look at women who opt to stay out of the career world and then get dumped into it when their marriages break down like half of all marriages do. How does that end up for most of them?

Personally I disagree with the Republicans on a LOT of issues. (abortion rights, religion in govt, gun rights, gay marriage, immigration laws) The Supreme Court decided on abortion, and I don't want a return to women dying in back alley abortions because they got drunk at a party or on a date and made bad contraception choices. I believe in religious freedom but separation of church and state. (render unto ceasar what is ceasars) I don't think everyone should be walking around packing firearms like the 1800s. I think gay people should have the same marital rights as anyone else, they're consenting adults not harming anyone. I think we have perfectly fine immigration laws that need to be enforced at the employer level, not by building walls. I don't think those people are what threaten the economy, I think trade laws that made importing and outsourcing more profitable than employing our own are the threat.

But underneath it all, I think you can NOT make the focus of government redistributing wealth to the poor. Government should exist to provide a safe infrastructure for business to operate in and for people to be trained to be in business.

Underneath it all is the simple truth that most of the wealth brought into the nation comes from business, most of the money that runs society comes from businesses, and most of the money that makes our neighborhoods and towns nice places to live comes from business.

If the money isn't there, you get things like what's going on in Detroit and Flint. Society scrambling to maintain services without money, huge chunks of the population poor.

Business HAS to be job one for government, and the Dems have never convinced me they see business as anything but a piggy bank to raid and give money to people who have none.

I want people to have dignity and jobs, because we are all doomed if they don't.

I agree with gstanford, in a way.  If we all leave it to business, then it's still a balancing act with global capitalism sorting out its own equilibrium (to the detriment of the US - unless we don't consider it a detriment for the US to have its per capita GDP reduced to that of China).

Corporate workforce migration to China and India, Indonesia, Pakistan, Mexico, and Nigeria will not slow down this century.  Business is already job one for government (look at how we're nearly demolishing Russia's economy right now because Russia was spending a ludicrously disproportionate amount on military and building oil pipelines to China) - despite pissing off the oil giants like Shell, Exxon, etc.  The government is actually the largest business - and also the most humanitarian one when we think about it (passing anti-pollution laws when companies did everything they could to fight against such, imposing anti-monopoly/antitrust laws, and so on...).  Yet, the government isn't always so wise with business - especially with doing tax incentives instead of directly subsidizing the workers.  Trade laws hardly exist to protect our workers as well.  Let's just be constructive and fix such gravely flaws rather than bashing the poor ex-workers who are merely victims of unfettered global capitalization taking its own course. 

One thing for sure is that work-replaced automation is growing faster than the workforce needed to create robots and manage automation.  Just now, I saw a Burger King with its own touchscreen menus, next to the 2 cashier registers left on the counter - offering a 3% discount if we use the automated system (it probably actually profits the restaurant at least 10% if we bypass the cashiers and do the job by ourselves).  Burger King!!!  It's no longer just the grocery stores, Walmart, Home Depot/Lowes..

Reduced workforce needed thanks to technology has already been taking place since the 1800's (less farmers needed, etc.), but we never had the overseas workforce migration problem until recently, and it's not slowing down anytime soon until the government is bankrupt and completely controlled by ruthless corporations that are in love with China's lax environmental and business laws - like America's own Goldman Sachs taking control of Reagan, it'll be China's finances taking control of us all.....   unless we fix this problem in America real quick (follow Germany's model for example, with stricter trade laws and more liberalized support for college education - PLUS subsidize not just the farmers but the rest of the workforce that are at risk of being replaced with overseas labor).
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11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency - by dmcowen674 - 06-18-2015, 08:35 PM
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RE: 11-8-2016 Trump wins Presidency - by ocre - 11-10-2016, 09:02 AM
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