Trump saves 1,000 Indianapolis jobs that Carrier was going to move to Mexico!!!

[BenSkywalker]

The USA has one of the world's strongest economies even with all those corporations, free trade, and globalization.

One thing I want to point out, the use of the term 'free trade' shouldn't really exist when so much of the labor pool involved in the global market can be beheaded for failure to do their job properly(here's looking to you China). Let's be real here, the global market is benefiting from the slave labor pool in south east Asia- calling it free trade is a gross stretch when the people involved aren't free- only their corporate lords.

So think about it, do you really want a guy like Trump coming in and shaking everything up?

The status quo is increasing the rich and the poor and killing off the middle- it is not sustainable. Do I really want Trump as president? Fuck no. Nor Hillary. Nor Bernie. They are all still *FAR* too complacent in order to rectify that which is ailing us. Step back and go over the macro economic data- we can't keep this up, it isn't possible. Our national debt in relation to our GDP as a percentage is increasing at almost a percentage point a year- by the time my grandchildren are my age the *interest* on the debt would eclipse our GDP. That isn't some paranoid delusion- it is simple math. So now you have a situation where you have no middle class at all, you have those in abject poverty and the incredibly rich- only those rich need to be taxed at close to 100% simply to pay the interest on the debt at which point the government has no money for social programs for the poor and there is *NO* middle class to keep things running.

Again, this isn't paranoia, look up the numbers. That is simply keeping things going *EXACTLY* how they are right now- staying with the flow. If we don't fix it, game over for our empire(by our I mean the western world, not the US in specific).

You really think things will get better?

I want people to simply look at the data and pull their heads out of their rectums. Now out of those involved, the popularity of Trump is the best indicator towards the society as a whole that people are starting to at least notice something is wrong. The macro data is hard for people to see when the micro tends to fail to show long term stress fractures- only those sucked in to a gaping whole feel the pinch. While Bernie is also anti corporation he also wants to explode the federal governments percentage of revenue pulled from private markets.

To that point- again, keeping it on a macro level- the *ONLY* way to increase the standard of living for a body of people is to increase their productivity. The federal government is *SIGNIFICANTLY* less productive with dollars then the private sector- that isn't an opinion- and the disparity is growing at an alarming rate due to their entrenched mentality of operational protocols and their failure to leverage new technologies to increase productivity. The larger the amount of money the federal government takes out of the US economy, the lower our standard of living. That isn't an opinion, that is an economic fact. The difference with what we are currently discussing, they are taking the money from those people who choose to move jobs overseas- that is money that isn't in our economy anyway. While I am strongly opposed to the US government taking money out of *OUR* economy as that reduces our standard of living- if they want to take it out of someone elses economy- as inefficient as the government is, that is still *MORE* productive for US citizens than some Chinese executive getting a bigger bonus.

He may be a good businessman but he clearly does not understand the global economy or even the US economy.

Or, he does far, far better than you while understanding politics significantly better than people gave him credit for. He is phrasing things in a way that is energizing a rather large slice of the voter base. Campaigning rhetoric almost never results in policy remotely close to what they pledge. That is simple reality.

What do the Democrats want to do that's so "socialist"?

Bernie Sanders was a registered socialist up until he decided he wanted to run for the presidency so he swapped to the Democratic party. That isn't my trying to bash him, he has openly and loudly touted the fact that he is a socialist. He wants to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, which will utterly destroy the working poor and the lower third of the middle class in this nation, he wants to make all college education free(yeah- the country is in debt *FAR* beyond any the world has ever seen and the way to help is by paying for someone to get a four year degree in modern art before they collect unemployment.......). Our biggest problem right now is good paying jobs moving overseas, with margins in the retail channels of the US being in the single digits for net, even a 10% bump in pay would have a large inflationary impact- Bernie is talking 50%-100% at many levels- that will result in *MASSIVE* layoffs and explosive inflation. That isn't speculation, that is coming from someone whose job it is to keep track of how products move to people and what pricing pressures have what sort of impact. 

First round of Bernie's wet dream would have millions laid off- that is conservative(could easily clear ten million based on a few variables)- and that would be before corporations could shut down plants en masse- even those where people make $25 hr- overwhelmingly their suppliers don't make anywhere near that much- so then we start taking big chunks out of the middle class directly. Now we get the fabulous benefit of the rich having their disposable income reduced by ~75% based on what Bernie is proposing for a tax rate on the rich(80%). So now we have the poor out of work altogether, a big chunk of the working middle class gone, and the biggest spenders in the economy with crippled buying power. But wait, we haven't even gotten to inflationary pressures yet. So that cashier at Wal Mart now has to be paid $15/hr instead of $9/hr- increasing the net cost of labor by 66%. Wal Mart makes a tiny net margin- even if they dedicated themselves to never turning a profit- their prices would have to *sharply* increase in order to pay for this, 15%-20% would be conservative. We aren't done yet though- we had a whole bunch of lay offs and closures, expenses such as building upkeep, electricity etc don't scale much with increased customer traffic(they do, but not nearly as much as square footage) so the overhead cost per dollar of business done is going to increase, likely in the 20% range- again, slap that on to your costs.

Now back to that middle class- their cost of living is going through the roof while their wages aren't, in terms of buying power those solidly in the middle class right now will be quickly falling into the lower class simply as a function of increased costs resulting in their net disposable income quickly becoming an increasing debt ratio. 

Where does that leave us? An elite class that funds the government with all sorts of special privileges and the lower middle class and down representing the rest of the population. End result, very much like a communist nation(although I take the more modern interpretation of socialism which revolves around the portion of the economy controlled by the government). 

Now with all of that said, why aren't I out with a pitchfork and torch rallying against Bernie? Because it is political rhetoric that has no chance of actually passing, just like Trump.