[EDIT]hmmm.....whats going on at AMD? (and history of 3Dfx Rampage)

[SickBeast]

It might just be me, but I'm not sure a die shrunk Hawaii is what the market has been waiting for.

(except ATVF posters who are mostly waiting for AMD, according to their poll)

It seems odd that NVIDIA now has 80% of the discrete market and the poster on ATVF will be avoiding Pascal at a 2:1 ratio. Very mysterious......

It looks more like a die shrink tonga.  Sadly

Yes, albeit an overclocked Tonga. Here is a link:

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-480x-470x-spe...-revealed/

If AMD is only able to hit 1350mhz on their cores while nVidia can hit 2.1ghz+ they are in big trouble. The pricing of the Polaris cards makes no sense either. Spending $70 extra on a GTX 1070 is a no brainer. This looks like it's going to be a terrible launch for AMD. The sense I'm getting is that the main point of these new GPUs is to create a new APU for the PS4.5 and the new 4k Xbox.