High wages for unskilled labor, attn GStan

[RolloTheGreat]

This is Rollo: "Wah! My bic mac costs $1 more now! Wah!" while people struggle below the poverty line making minimum wage.

Then he continues:  "Wah!  My taxes cost me $200 more per year now!  Wah!" while poor people suffer and die because they have no heath care coverage.

"This is Rollo"?! "Wah"?!

Again, having a hard time believing you're a teacher with a masters'. This reads more like a child's discourse than the well reasoned argument of an educated adult.

Nowhere in this thread have you seen me complain about the price of anything or taxes, so you're using a straw man argument as well.

I've only noted prices in regard to inflation, which removes the value of the higher wages.

What's next from you?

"Rollo has stinky pants" or "Rollo's mom wears combat boots"?

[SickBeast]

This is Rollo: "Wah! My bic mac costs $1 more now! Wah!" while people struggle below the poverty line making minimum wage.

Then he continues:  "Wah!  My taxes cost me $200 more per year now!  Wah!" while poor people suffer and die because they have no heath care coverage.

"This is Rollo"?! "Wah"?!

Again, having a hard time believing you're a teacher with a masters'. This reads more like a child's discourse than the well reasoned argument of an educated adult.

Nowhere in this thread have you seen me complain about the price of anything or taxes, so you're using a straw man argument as well.

I've only noted prices in regard to inflation, which removes the value of the higher wages.

What's next from you?

"Rollo has stinky pants" or "Rollo's mom wears combat boots"?

Hey man, that was my best version of a "Rollo" response. So if you can't take it back, don't dish it out to begin with!

[RolloTheGreat]

This is Rollo: "Wah! My bic mac costs $1 more now! Wah!" while people struggle below the poverty line making minimum wage.

Then he continues:  "Wah!  My taxes cost me $200 more per year now!  Wah!" while poor people suffer and die because they have no heath care coverage.

"This is Rollo"?! "Wah"?!

Again, having a hard time believing you're a teacher with a masters'. This reads more like a child's discourse than the well reasoned argument of an educated adult.

Nowhere in this thread have you seen me complain about the price of anything or taxes, so you're using a straw man argument as well.

I've only noted prices in regard to inflation, which removes the value of the higher wages.

What's next from you?

"Rollo has stinky pants" or "Rollo's mom wears combat boots"?

Hey man, that was my best version of a "Rollo" response.  So if you can't take it back, don't dish it out to begin with!  

You should try "my best version of an argument that isn't easily refuted".

[SickBeast]

This is Rollo: "Wah! My bic mac costs $1 more now! Wah!" while people struggle below the poverty line making minimum wage.

Then he continues:  "Wah!  My taxes cost me $200 more per year now!  Wah!" while poor people suffer and die because they have no heath care coverage.

"This is Rollo"?! "Wah"?!

Again, having a hard time believing you're a teacher with a masters'. This reads more like a child's discourse than the well reasoned argument of an educated adult.

Nowhere in this thread have you seen me complain about the price of anything or taxes, so you're using a straw man argument as well.

I've only noted prices in regard to inflation, which removes the value of the higher wages.

What's next from you?

"Rollo has stinky pants" or "Rollo's mom wears combat boots"?

Hey man, that was my best version of a "Rollo" response.  So if you can't take it back, don't dish it out to begin with!  

You should try "my best version of an argument that isn't easily refuted".

If I learn something new from someone else or from a different POV, that's great, I'm all ears. I learn something new every day. I can't imagine living life with the blinders on. Tunnel vision. I'm not interested. If that was what I wanted out of life there are a number of religious cults I could join where they could indoctrinate me and we could all think the same way. Not interested. That's a really sad way to live IMO.

[RolloTheGreat]

If I learn something new from someone not named Rollo, that's great, I'm all ears.  I learn something new every day, if people not named Rollo show me.  I can't imagine living life without the blinders on.  Tunnel vision.  I'm not interested in what people named Rollo say.  That was what I wanted out of life and there are a number of religious cults I could join where they could indoctrinate me and we could all think the same way.  Very interested.  That's a really great way to live IMO.

Fixed it for you.

It is fun watching you shuck and jive, unable to refute any of the points I've made.

[RolloTheGreat]

Why don't you tell us again about the inflation you know Australia is experiencing because of our high minimum wage Trollo?  That was a great argument not easily refuted, wasn't it?

Just like M$ and xbone was going to steamroller Sony and PS4 because of M$ market position, money and developers.....

What do you attribute your higher prices to if not higher wages?

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co...ted+States

Indices Difference

Info

Consumer Prices in United States are 9.61% lower than in Australia
Consumer Prices Including Rent in United States are 8.14% lower than in Australia
Rent Prices in United States are 4.98% lower than in Australia
Restaurant Prices in United States are 10.12% lower than in Australia
Groceries Prices in United States are 4.80% lower than in Australia
Local Purchasing Power in United States is 6.53% higher than in Australia

Everything costs more in Australia...what could be the cause?????

[RolloTheGreat]

Next you'll be telling us how Elon Musk is a slippery fraud and his reusable rockets stand no chance against ULA's proven tech, proudly developed in Russia!

Well, that has as much place in the thread as the PS4 vs XBone comments, Tape U FTW!

[RolloTheGreat]

Given all the rest of the bullshit you believe I think it would be reasonable to believe your stance on SpaceX would align with what I posted above.

I bet Martin Shkreli is your share market advisor and John Steele from Prenda law is your lawyer!  Heather Bresch would be your favorite business woman!

GStan, although you seem to feel it does, stating your theories on my thoughts about Elon Musk and some people I've never heard of doesn't answer the questions:

How can small businesses afford to pay double the minimum wage, and if they can't, what will happen to the half of the people in the country who work for them?

If big business steps in to fill the void left by closing small business, what path will people have to become the very wealthy if only large businesses can be started and are financially viable?

Will there be a stagnation of innovation if small businesses willing to take larger risks are eliminated?

Will there be less variety and specialized service if only big corps remain?

Last, do you even realize the irony of yelling about me supposedly being "anti Elon Musk" while simultaneously taking an anti small business stance yourself?

Elon Musk is an example of small business success and innovation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

In 1995, Musk and his brother, Kimbal, started Zip2, a web software company, with US$2,000 of their father's money

Elon Musk began his company on a shoestring, and people deserve the opportunity to do the same without government imposing regulations that make it cost prohibitive.

Sorry to bother you with facts, now you can get back to yelling about game consoles and pretending they have something to do with this conversation.

[SickBeast]

If I learn something new from someone not named Rollo, that's great, I'm all ears.  I learn something new every day, if people not named Rollo show me.  I can't imagine living life without the blinders on.  Tunnel vision.  I'm not interested in what people named Rollo say.  That was what I wanted out of life and there are a number of religious cults I could join where they could indoctrinate me and we could all think the same way.  Very interested.  That's a really great way to live IMO.

Fixed it for you.

It is fun watching you shuck and jive, unable to refute any of the points I've made.

I'm not here to "refute" your points. I have better things to do than to respond to your bullshit! And that's what it is: bullshit. Raising the minimum wage is not going to double the cost of food. Let's not be ridiculous. If you're going to post bombastic bullshit don't expect a response from me. Maybe gstanford will reply. But I have better things to do. He seems to enjoy arguing with you over complete and utter nonsense. Your "fake posts" remind me of Trump's "fake news".

[RolloTheGreat]

I have no idea whatsoever why you think I am anti-small business.

Probably because you advocate a minimum wage that would it impossible for many small companies to get started, then compete. That would be the reason.

Why do people need to become very wealthy?!  Surely having sufficient money to get by is all that is actually necessary.

Leaving the whole "people like to have more money than less" out of it, striving for wealth is what drives people to create businesses that create jobs. They would never take the financial risk or do the extra work if all they got for it was "getting by". They'd just go work their 40 if they wanted to get by, and the economy they live in would stagnate.

If you haven't heard of Martin Shkreli, Heather Bresch and John Steele and why they are infamous you really have been living under a rock bridge.  Google is your friend though.

While you are googling the infamous 3 you should also try googling ULA's comments about SpaceX and government subsidies, then look into how ULA itself is subsidized.  Not to mention ULA is old school american corporations relying on russian technology to get to space while SpaceX is all american and all in house.

Honestly I've barely heard of Elon Musk. I see his Tesla cars and rockets in the news from time to time.

The other three, I've heard of the two pharma people through their scandals but why I would remember their names? WTH? Not like I'll rub elbows with them- just a couple of people who used their competitive advantage to rape and pillage in the drug market. Kind of goes on daily here because we're about the only place on the planet that doesn't regulate prices so we end up paying for most of the drug R&D while places like the Gilligans Island you live on benefit.

Never heard of John Steele that I can recall. Had to look all three up- but then again I'm not raging against all things rich or exploitive so I'm not getting together with the other battlers on Friday night every week hashing over who the biggest business crooks are over some pints of Fosters. Don't really care that much, for every one of them there are thousands of businesses doing honest work, employing people, providing the wealth of the economy.

Not like I'll be prosecuting them, so "out of sight, out of mind". Kind of like Australia. I'm sure there are lots of big things done there and famous people, but I couldn't name one and I bet no one I know could either. Different worldview and culture here.

[RolloTheGreat]

Most small businesses and most jobs will be going away pretty soon.  The rich won't need their wages slaves much longer, you don't need to pay computers and robots wages.

So long as people have what they need to get by who cares if the economy stagnates or not?!  The economy exists to serve people, not the other way around!

Words of wisdom - you work to live, you don't live to work (no matter what the rich and conservative politicians would like you to believe).

Gosh, why didn't you say you were talking about the impending robot job apocalypse, that is the next phase of the simulation?





Uh huh.

They probably came up with that "work to live" saying after observing me GStan. I take time off almost every week of the year.

[SickBeast]

It's going to be extremely interesting to see what happens with automation, robots, and autonomous vehicles. With self driving cars we are almost there, less than five years away. Think of all those truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and couriers. All out of work simultaneously. They make up a huge chunk of the economy. Actually pretty much the entire retail sector is going to be wiped out. Just picture Amazon with robots working in their warehouse and other robots delivering everything. They are going to have to tax the robots. Hopefully with enough tax revenue from the robots we can have lots of "slackers" living a decent life off the system. Because the way things look our economy will no longer have enough jobs to support all the people living in our societies. To look beyond these facts is both foolish and ignorant.

[SteelCrysis]

It's going to be extremely interesting to see what happens with automation, robots, and autonomous vehicles.  With self driving cars we are almost there, less than five years away.  Think of all those truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and couriers.  All out of work simultaneously.  They make up a huge chunk of the economy.  Actually pretty much the entire retail sector is going to be wiped out.  Just picture Amazon with robots working in their warehouse and other robots delivering everything.  They are going to have to tax the robots.  Hopefully with enough tax revenue from the robots we can have lots of "slackers" living a decent life off the system.  Because the way things look our economy will no longer have enough jobs to support all the people living in our societies.  To look beyond these facts is both foolish and ignorant.

Yep, that's reality. And it's why we need some variant of basic income.

[RolloTheGreat]

It's going to be extremely interesting to see what happens with automation, robots, and autonomous vehicles.  With self driving cars we are almost there, less than five years away.  Think of all those truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and couriers.  All out of work simultaneously.  They make up a huge chunk of the economy.  Actually pretty much the entire retail sector is going to be wiped out.  Just picture Amazon with robots working in their warehouse and other robots delivering everything.  They are going to have to tax the robots.  Hopefully with enough tax revenue from the robots we can have lots of "slackers" living a decent life off the system.  Because the way things look our economy will no longer have enough jobs to support all the people living in our societies.  To look beyond these facts is both foolish and ignorant.

https://gizmodo.com/robots-are-already-r...1793718198

. “Predictably, the major categories experiencing substantial declines are routine manual occupations, blue-collar workers, operators and assembly workers, and machinists and transport workers,” write the authors.

Experts predict that the stock of robots in the US will quadruple by 2025, jumping to 5.25 more robots per thousand workers (there are currently about 1.75 industrial robots in the US per 1,000 workers).

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/24/technolo...index.html

Jobs at risk of automation, by country U.S.: 38% Germany: 35% U.K.: 30% Japan: 21%

Hmmm rag tag knuckleheads on the forum time forgot say all the jobs gone to robots in 5 years, experts say some low skill jobs lost, some high skill jobs created.

What to believe/

[RolloTheGreat]

It's going to be extremely interesting to see what happens with automation, robots, and autonomous vehicles.  With self driving cars we are almost there, less than five years away.  Think of all those truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and couriers.  All out of work simultaneously.  They make up a huge chunk of the economy.  Actually pretty much the entire retail sector is going to be wiped out.  Just picture Amazon with robots working in their warehouse and other robots delivering everything.  They are going to have to tax the robots.  Hopefully with enough tax revenue from the robots we can have lots of "slackers" living a decent life off the system.  Because the way things look our economy will no longer have enough jobs to support all the people living in our societies.  To look beyond these facts is both foolish and ignorant.

Yep.  Just about all jobs will go, except for emergency services (ambulance, fire, police).

If you want work, Elon Musk will probably have a job for you establishing his Mars colony.

Once that is up and running It wouldn't surprise me one bit if the USA shipped its jobless unwanted poor off to mars just like England sent their unwanted to America centuries before.

His coming was foretold long ago......

[dmcowen674]

Rollo will be pooping in his pants when he sees this:

7-5-2017

Minimum wage hike set to reverse in Missouri

Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens returns minimum wage to $7.70 an hour -- ten bucks an hour was a mistake, he says.

"Despite what you hear from liberals, it will take money out of people's pockets," Greitens said.

Wanda Roberts, a minimum wage worker in St. Louis, said the new $10 wage brought in an extra $400 a month and helped the local economy. 

"If we're making $10 an hour, we're going to go right back out and spend that money," Roberts said.

And now that it's being reversed, she says she would "go back to struggling."

"Trying to worry about how I'm going to pay my rent, how I'm going to pay my bills and how I'm going to have money left over to buy household supplies and food," she added.

[RolloTheGreat]

Gstandroid: How do you know I am not a robot, sent by the aliens running the simulation to educate the BTR posse?

Mc Cowen: You over estimate my interest in the topic. I'd "poop my pants" if Trump said, "F this, going back to golf and travel" but what the poor earn only remotely affects me in that I have a teenager with a part time job. I don't want him to work anyway, he doesn't care much what he makes. He does it for the work experience.

[RolloTheGreat]

You guys are right! I found video of their king on Youtube!



Soon there will be no jobs as our mechanical overlords take over all the sweet "lifting boxes" and "driving taxicab" jobs we all spend our lives striving for.

There won't need to be taxes on the metal gods. When people realize they can no longer move boxes from trucks to warehouse shelves they will probably just end themselves in sadness.

Do you goofs realize that automation has been replacing jobs for decades and that people have been saying "we'll all be replaced by machines" just as long?

The only thing changed is the sophistication of the machines.

The robots will indeed continue their march to replace the jobs monkeys can do:



They won't be teaching kids math, engineering modems, working with software, or building and fixing computers anytime soon though so I guess the four of us get to work out our last days.

[SickBeast]

This is stupid. I don't have time for this.

[RolloTheGreat]

This is stupid.  I don't have time for this.

I'd agree that it's been pretty one sided so far, but if you come up with better arguments I might not be able to shoot them down so easily?

Who knows? You might even turn me to your point of view if you link to something credible.

[SickBeast]

Rollo I don't have time for your silly games or your bullshit.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo I don't have time for your silly games or your bullshit.

It must be very frustrating for you to attempt to debate me.

I understand.

When I have a problem I'm working on at work, sometimes the answer will come to me while I'm sleeping, or a few days later. If you come up with a good argument as to why more than doubling the minimum wage won't lead to problems like less jobs, higher costs, less start up small businesses, more small businesses closing, or a ripple effect of all wages upward as people attempt to maintain wage/skill parity, I hope you'll return to the thread and post.

Have a good weekend!

[SickBeast]

It's nothing to do with losing any type of debate with you. Others have clearly agreed with me in terms of this "discussion", if one can call it that. My issue is that you act like a total idiot spewing out nonsense bullshit. This is not any type of "debate". This is just you spewing out a bunch of crap, and we're supposed to waste our time responding. I have better things to do quite frankly.

[RolloTheGreat]

It's going to be extremely interesting to see what happens with automation, robots, and autonomous vehicles.  With self driving cars we are almost there, less than five years away.  Think of all those truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and couriers.  All out of work simultaneously.  They make up a huge chunk of the economy.  Actually pretty much the entire retail sector is going to be wiped out.  Just picture Amazon with robots working in their warehouse and other robots delivering everything.  They are going to have to tax the robots.  Hopefully with enough tax revenue from the robots we can have lots of "slackers" living a decent life off the system.  Because the way things look our economy will no longer have enough jobs to support all the people living in our societies.  To look beyond these facts is both foolish and ignorant.

OK, you say I spew bullshit.

I linked to two articles that said nothing like this will happen at all.

Please link to a credible source that says all the driving and retail jobs will be wiped out in less than 5 years.

Or am I just supposed to believe your laughable fantasies?

Because I've got news for you chief-

People will still be driving things for a living in 2022, and still working in retail stores.

[RolloTheGreat]

You know why you don't have time for this?

Because no amount of time is sufficient to find what isn't there- credible sources to back your raving.

Just back that ONE THING up- no driving and retail jobs in 5 years- and I'll walk away from this site forever and we'll never speak again.

I won't hold my breath.

[SickBeast]

There is no point.  Even if I show you facts and evidence you will still never back down or concede that you are wrong.  It is not in your nature.  You never do it.  You also twist facts.  I never said there would be no retail jobs in 5 years.  I said that within the next 5 years, we will have self driving cars.  Do you care to refute that?  That is why it's impossible to have any type of rational discussion with you.  You twist facts and you twist what other people have said to suit your own fancy and to try to manipulate the discussion, and then you mock them.  There are countless economists in support of a higher minimum wage.  But there is no point.  It is impossible to have any type of meaningful discussion with you.  You are blinded by your own ideology.  I suspect that you have been indoctrinated since birth.  And for that reason I feel sorry for you.

[RolloTheGreat]

It's going to be extremely interesting to see what happens with automation, robots, and autonomous vehicles.  With self driving cars we are almost there, less than five years away.  Think of all those truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and couriers.  All out of work simultaneously.  They make up a huge chunk of the economy.  Actually pretty much the entire retail sector is going to be wiped out.  Just picture Amazon with robots working in their warehouse and other robots delivering everything.  They are going to have to tax the robots.  Hopefully with enough tax revenue from the robots we can have lots of "slackers" living a decent life off the system.  Because the way things look our economy will no longer have enough jobs to support all the people living in our societies.  To look beyond these facts is both foolish and ignorant.

Yeah, you never said everyone was losing their jobs. You just said they'd all be out of work simultaneously and pretty much the entire retail sector would be wiped out.

Yeah that is EXACTLY the same as saying we'll have self driving cars in 5 years!



Like I said, I don't think I believe you're a teacher.

[SickBeast]

Again, I never said retail was going to be wiped out in 5 years. I was talking about self driving cars. The rest is all in your imagination. Rollo you really offer nothing to the forum here. Nothing aside from blatant lies, misinformation, and negativity.

[RolloTheGreat]

Again, I never said retail was going to be wiped out in 5 years. I was talking about self driving cars. The rest is all in your imagination. Rollo you really offer nothing to the forum here. Nothing aside from blatant lies, misinformation, and negativity.

Gosh how could I have been so wrong and misconstrued what you said so clearly?!?!?

Think of all those truck drivers, taxi drivers, bus drivers, and couriers. All out of work simultaneously. They make up a huge chunk of the economy.

Actually pretty much the entire retail sector is going to be wiped out.

It's a puzzler!

How could ANYONE have thought you were saying all the driving jobs and retail jobs were going away?? Why would anyone think such a thing reading these sentences.???

Now that I read it again, I think you were saying that retail and driving jobs will be stronger than ever in coming years!!

SickBeast Teaching Kids:

SB:Children, 2+2=7, and our nearest neighbor on the planet is Spain.

Little Timmy: But..but...Mr. Beast! My mom says 2+2=4! How do you get 7?

SB: You are a plague on this classroom Timmy! You add nothing of value, you just spread misinformation and lies! Go to the office!

Little Tammy: Mr. Beast, GoogleMaps says that the United States is our nearest neighbor!

SB: Did Rollo send you here to disrupt this class? You know him, don't you?!? You need to come clean and stop trolling me Tammy!

Little Tammy: I...sniff..sob..I'm afraid Mr. Beast! You're not telling us the things we need to know to pass in the other teacher's classes! I think this class is making me stupid!

SB: Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Go to the office Roll....TAMMY! We are LEARNING here and you are NOT helping!

[SickBeast]

Of course. Attempt to mock me after you have twisted facts and lied to suit your fancy. Where have we seen this before??

[RolloTheGreat]

Of course.  Attempt to mock me after you have twisted facts and lied to suit your fancy.  Where have we seen this before??

How is quoting you verbatim "twisting" any facts?

Face it- you stepped way over the line with your theory about AI packing cars bringing a speedy demise to driving and retail jobs.

You didn't say there will be driverless cars in five years, probably because there are driverless cars now.

There are also robots in Amazon and other warehouses.

If you would have said automation will keep eroding the human jobs in those sectors year after year until someday there are more machines than men in those lines of work, I would have just said, "Yep, looks that way.".

But you had to go for shock value and yell about all the driving jobs going at once and retail being wiped in five years.

[SickBeast]

Again, you are misinterpreting what I said and twisting facts to suit your fancy.  I don't know why you want to discredit me so badly.  It must really suck being that self conscious that you need to endlessly personally attack people who you feel inferior to.  I will tell you what I meant with my post, seeing as I am the one that wrote it:

- we will have self-driving cars within the next 5 years (no, we do not have them currently, they are not yet 100% autonomous and still require some human intervention; there are also some bugs - someone was killed in a Tesla)

- the retail sector as we know it now will not exist in the future.  I did not put a timeline on this.  It will be a slow and gradual decline.  Look at Sears.  They are the first retail giant to fall.  I expect them to continue to be eliminated unless they are able to drastically re-invent themselves and compete with Amazon and Costco.

- automation and robotics will replace a lot of jobs in the future.  Ocre claims that we have had this technology for a long time and he is correct to a certain extent.  We have had robots that can perform basic tasks for a long time.  Pre-programmed tasks.  What has been lacking is AI.  Once better AI software is created, robots will be able to replace a lot of jobs that humans perform today.  Again, I did not put a timeline on this.  My "5 years" comment was regarding self driving cars, that is all.

Again Rollo, I don't appreciate you flying off the handle and mocking me when you're lacking in reading comprehension, or else twisting what I said to create conflict and animosity.

From your own link it says that 38% of jobs in the USA are at risk of being replaced by automation.

[SteelCrysis]

- we will have self-driving cars within the next 5 years (no, we do not have them currently, they are not yet 100% autonomous and still require some human intervention; there are also some bugs - someone was killed in a Tesla)

I wouldn't say that about Tesla: https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/2512...ion-either

[SickBeast]

That's what I mean. He wasn't paying attention. Therefore some human intervention is required with current self driving cars.

[RolloTheGreat]

Again, you are misinterpreting what I said and twisting facts to suit your fancy.  I don't know why you want to discredit me so badly.  It must really suck being that self conscious that you need to endlessly personally attack people who you feel inferior to.  I will tell you what I meant with my post, seeing as I am the one that wrote it:

- we will have self-driving cars within the next 5 years (no, we do not have them currently, they are not yet 100% autonomous and still require some human intervention; there are also some bugs - someone was killed in a Tesla)

- the retail sector as we know it now will not exist in the future.  I did not put a timeline on this.  It will be a slow and gradual decline.  Look at Sears.  They are the first retail giant to fall.  I expect them to continue to be eliminated unless they are able to drastically re-invent themselves and compete with Amazon and Costco.

- automation and robotics will replace a lot of jobs in the future.  Ocre claims that we have had this technology for a long time and he is correct to a certain extent.  We have had robots that can perform basic tasks for a long time.  Pre-programmed tasks.  What has been lacking is AI.  Once better AI software is created, robots will be able to replace a lot of jobs that humans perform today.  Again, I did not put a timeline on this.  My "5 years" comment was regarding self driving cars, that is all.

Again Rollo, I don't appreciate you flying off the handle and mocking me when you're lacking in reading comprehension, or else twisting what I said to create conflict and animosity.

From your own link it says that 38% of jobs in the USA are at risk of being replaced by automation.

You think I feel inferior to you? No, I wouldn't be able to go along with that.

Perhaps if you utilized age old writing conventions like splitting your ideas into individual lines or paragraphs people wouldn't be so likely to think the first line of your paragraph is an actual thesis statement and the couple sentences that follow are support of said statement?

You know, like you did in this post I quoted?

[SickBeast]

Again, you are misinterpreting what I said and twisting facts to suit your fancy.  I don't know why you want to discredit me so badly.  It must really suck being that self conscious that you need to endlessly personally attack people who you feel inferior to.  I will tell you what I meant with my post, seeing as I am the one that wrote it:

- we will have self-driving cars within the next 5 years (no, we do not have them currently, they are not yet 100% autonomous and still require some human intervention; there are also some bugs - someone was killed in a Tesla)

- the retail sector as we know it now will not exist in the future.  I did not put a timeline on this.  It will be a slow and gradual decline.  Look at Sears.  They are the first retail giant to fall.  I expect them to continue to be eliminated unless they are able to drastically re-invent themselves and compete with Amazon and Costco.

- automation and robotics will replace a lot of jobs in the future.  Ocre claims that we have had this technology for a long time and he is correct to a certain extent.  We have had robots that can perform basic tasks for a long time.  Pre-programmed tasks.  What has been lacking is AI.  Once better AI software is created, robots will be able to replace a lot of jobs that humans perform today.  Again, I did not put a timeline on this.  My "5 years" comment was regarding self driving cars, that is all.

Again Rollo, I don't appreciate you flying off the handle and mocking me when you're lacking in reading comprehension, or else twisting what I said to create conflict and animosity.

From your own link it says that 38% of jobs in the USA are at risk of being replaced by automation.

You think I feel inferior to you? No, I wouldn't be able to go along with that.

Perhaps if you utilized age old writing conventions like splitting your ideas into individual lines or paragraphs people wouldn't be so likely to think the first line of your paragraph is an actual thesis statement and the couple sentences that follow are support of said statement?

You know, like you did in this post I quoted?

Well, it looks like a lot of this resulted from a misunderstanding. You misinterpreted my post. In retrospect I can see how that would be possible. I will say, however, that you did fly way off the handle mocking me for something that I never did intend to say, and that I still feel that I never said.

Anyhow, that's all I have to say about that. I don't enjoy drama or conflict. You seem to love it and dive right in. Please spare me next time you're in the mood for an argument.

[RolloTheGreat]

Well, it looks like a lot of this resulted from a misunderstanding.  You misinterpreted my post.  In retrospect I can see how that would be possible.  I will say, however, that you did fly way off the handle mocking me for something that I never did intend to say, and that I still feel that I never said.

Anyhow, that's all I have to say about that.  I don't enjoy drama or conflict.  You seem to love it and dive right in.  Please spare me next time you're in the mood for an argument.  

Fair enough, we'll put this one to bed.

(although I was having fun with the robots)

[RolloTheGreat]

Here is an interesting article for Trollo to ponder upon.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/07/...n-culture/

When given the opportunity to redistribute money so the "rich" person had the same amount as the "poor" person, roughly 76% of people chose to do it. This is essentially the same number who were willing to redistribute money as long as rank was preserved. Zhou and his colleagues conclude, "We find that participants are averse to rank reversals but are not averse to the elimination of rank."

This is a tantalizing discovery for people who would like to eliminate income inequality. It suggests that people might be more open to reducing income inequality if there were a guarantee that nobody's fortunes would reverse. "Our equality condition shows that people would accept the elimination of hierarchies," write Zhou and his colleagues. "It is only when winners become losers and losers become winners that people object.

Most people don't object to income equality, contrary to what Trollo likes to tell us.  Most people would be quite happy for the janitor or the macdonalds worker to earn the same as they do, even if some other people ended up with less in their pockets (but were still equal to the majority).

No way!!

76% of people are willing to redistribute the wealth of the rich to themselves?! Who could have guessed that?



Unless the people polled were 100% wealthy people who would be taken from, that study is pretty meaningless. It also illustrates the whole problem of socialism: " It's nice you borrowed $150,000 and went to college seven years and then did a few years as an intern and then borrowed more to open your office Dr. Joe, but now that you make $300k a year the 76% who don't think you should give $200k of it to us so we have a liitle more money. We're good guys, we just want to have bigger TVs and newer cell phones!".

The whole thing is disgusting.

Or in my case, "Gosh Mr. Rollo, it's great you and your wife put yourselves through college and then worked your way up to where you both earn an income your family can live on! Rollo Jr. doesn't need a paid for $30K sports coupe to drive to high school, we can use that money to help some folks who slap ham on bread for a living have a swell HMO like you and Mrs. Rollo have! But don't worry, Big Papa Government will provide a nice safe bus for Rollo Jr to ride to high school, and he can borrow your road locomotive at night!"

This wasn't exactly revelatory GStan. If you ask most people if they think being given some free money is a good idea they will say yes, and if you ask most people if they think it's a good idea for some people they don't know to help the poor, they'll say yes.

If that college asked people if they approved of a new 10% income tax on everyone to help the poor people would riot at the thought of it.

[RolloTheGreat]

Socialism boils down to the masses saying "We know we'll never be rich, so we don't think anyone should be. Or if they are, they should be less rich. We'll decide what is enough for them to keep, and then when that isn't enough we'll just take more."

[RolloTheGreat]

There is nothing disgusting about it!  Even some of the rich know it - Warren Buffet and his Buffet rule for starters.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/04/news/eco...index.html

Warren Buffet, and you, should give all your money above the cost of an efficiency apartment and a Yaris to the poor then and leave those of us who actually worked to help our own families instead of strangers alone.