I need help calibrating my TV

[SickBeast]

Hey do any of you guys have any experience calibrating a TV? My TV has oversaturated blues. I have figured out how to get into the service menu. It has R/G/B gain and offset. I'm guessing I need to reduce the blue gain? Do I just eyeball it? Is there some kind of scientific way of tweaking the color so it's perfect? If any of you have experience with this I would really appreciate it.

[dmcowen674]

First, that's weird, is it that way out of the box or a setting got changed by mistake?

[RolloTheGreat]

Check AV Forums for best settings, good info there.

https://www.avforums.com/

[BoFox]

Sounds like the color temperature is set to cool to me, try normal or warm, possibly the tint setting needs adjustment.

The other thing is LED tv's use LED's that do emit a slightly bluish light, nothing can really be done about that.

http://i.imgur.com/alUiTck.jpg

Yes, first thing is to set it to warm.  At first, it might seem muddy, but warm is almost always the correct color temperature - only cartoons and such might look better at normal.  "Cool" bluish/bright colors just make tv's stand out more at retail stores with the fluorescent lighting and all.  

Now that it's closer to 6500K color temp, just make sure you set your black level to as black as possible (turn down the brightness to less than 50 for most TV's, and then turn it up one step at a time until you see a change in the black level (the background should be entirely black).  Once you see a change, go back to the last increment - some TV's already have it at 50, but some are a bit lower or higher like at 47 or 53 or even 49.  

Then make sure none of the whites are crushed.  Lots of tests for this.  You probably don't have to worry about this with many TV's today, but turning up the contrast could still clip white levels on some TV's.

This is really personal for me, but turning off dynamic contrast means the world to me so I don't have to put up with the ultra-annoying gamma tweaking that tries to do the work that my eyes should already be doing (with unrealistic "lag" in the dynamism).  Usually film-makers have the contrast and detail at the level they want it to be, and dynamic contrast just mucks with the levels that the filmmakers intended.  With good quality TV's, dynamic contrast should not even be needed at all.  After all, OLED TV's have virtually infinite contrast ratio, with the black level at true 0.

EDIT - Actually, there is another kind of dynamic contrast that actually reduces contrast (for many TV's sold in stores today). If one side of the screen is really bright, then the gamma of the entire screen is brightened up. If the entire screen is dark (like at the movie end credits), then the entire screen is dimmed - even to the point of barely being able to read the end credits in daylight). This is what "Eco mode, or power savings mode" usually does on those TV's, and make sure it's turned off as well. It tries to reduce brightness whenever possible just to save power, but is simply plain retarded if you're spending hundreds of bucks on a TV and do not care about paying 1 cent per hour whereas the Christmas lights outside the house might cost 50 cents a night of electricity. Pretty house, but sleazy TV?

[SickBeast]

I have the color temperature set to "normal". I find that with it set to warm everything looks brown/yellow/red and it's worse than the oversaturated blues.

And Dave, the TV is set to the defaults, I haven't messed with the service menu (yet).

Overall the TV is great, it's just that the blues don't look natural. I notice it when I watch sports because I know what color the jerseys are supposed to be. I will play with the settings some more. I think I need to lower the blue setting in the service menu to correct it. I just wish that there was a scientific way to do it instead of just eyeballing it.

I will try turning off the dynamic contrast as well.

Thanks for the tips guys!

[dmcowen674]

I have the color temperature set to "normal".  I find that with it set to warm everything looks brown/yellow/red and it's worse than the oversaturated blues.

And Dave, the TV is set to the defaults, I haven't messed with the service menu (yet).

Overall the TV is great, it's just that the blues don't look natural.  I notice it when I watch sports because I know what color the jerseys are supposed to be.  I will play with the settings some more.  I think I need to lower the blue setting in the service menu to correct it.  I just wish that there was a scientific way to do it instead of just eyeballing it.

I will try turning off the dynamic contrast as well.

Thanks for the tips guys!

I wouldn't change the color temp either, just tint and regular color settings.

[BoFox]

What's your TV model again, SB?

I could look into it for you real quick.. see if anybody did a generic calibration to find the most accurate settings (which is maybe 80+% likely to work well for all TV's of the exact same mode - if not too much was changed during the production run of the specific modell).

Warm colors can take a bit of getting used to (when coming down from like 7500K bright/blue Sirius-like colors which looks great for football), just like with sRGB on computer montiors, lol, but I find that on more HDTV's than not, warm gives closer to 6500K temperature than normal does (although just a bit under 6500K does look noticeably more murky). Some TV's are still way above 6500K even at default warm setting - remaining ever so bluish.

Watching medieval-themed movies or tv shows like the Game of Thrones must be enjoyed at 6500K color (warm or normal depending on the manufacturer of the TV), so that the candle light, fire, etc. looks more convincing and "romantic". 7500+K just kills off that romantic medieval atmosphere.

[BoFox]

Yo, SB - find a solution yet?

Of course, if you watch football/hockey, you'd probably want to avoid 'warm' mode, but at least try it out for movies! Very easy to change in the menu - some remotes even have a quick mode switch button.

[SickBeast]

It's a 55" Hisense 55K362G. Yeah warm mode looks terrible for hockey, it makes the ice look brown. For movies the tv looks great at default settings. Thanks very much for your help.

[RolloTheGreat]

It's a 55" Hisense 55K362G. Yeah warm mode looks terrible for hockey, it makes the ice look brown. For movies the tv looks great at default settings. Thanks very much for your help.

I've got bad news SB, you need a new tv. Check it out:

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/...e-55k610gw

Picture Quality

How is it that TVs this bad still exist?

You can read the review, but the short version is "The HiSense 55K362G is junk that looks like junk.".

So what's a SB to do? Well, I was going to say "Just unload that POS for a couple hundred bucks add a couple hundred of your own, and buy a real tv." but I can't do that because you live in "progressive" Canada where you have to pay more for everything so hobos can have a HMO.

Newegg Canada, $1199.99 for a 55" 1080P:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.asp...-_-Product

Newegg USA, $797.99 for the same tv:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLis...isNodeId=1

Still "proud" of how you guys all get to pay for slacker health care?

Would piss me off to no end, here they give away better tvs than yours if you buy a couch and a chair. (seriously- we had a local vendor that gave away name brand 50" tvs if you bought some furniture)

Socialism FTL. It makes me pretty sad to post this at Christmas- I really wish I had better news for you. You guys are getting robbed by the government.

[RolloTheGreat]

More bad news at the AVS forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/166-lcd-fl...nyone.html

If I were you I'd check Craigslist or Ebay for a deal on a used tv if you don't want to buy some hobos a check up for Christmas this year.

to the Grinch of Socialism for making your Christmas expensive.

[dmcowen674]

It's a 55" Hisense 55K362G. Yeah warm mode looks terrible for hockey, it makes the ice look brown. For movies the tv looks great at default settings. Thanks very much for your help.

From Rollo's article:

Yet judging from the 55K610GW's performance, maybe Hisense needs a little more time in the oven to hold up under serious evaluation. Testing revealed truly atrocious picture quality that no amount of calibration could fix
====================
So sorry SB  , that is horrible news.

I always buy TCL TV's, incredible picture even Costco has started to carry them.

[SickBeast]

Guys the tv is great, it has a really nice picture. It compares very well to my old high end sharp, my dad's sony, and both of my sister's samsungs. It just needed some adjustments out of the box. I think that those reviewers were either shills for the big brands or they just didn't know what they were doing. The TV has deep blacks, a good contrast ratio, and vibrant colours. The only issue is the over saturated blues which I'm sure I can fix with the service menu. I will play with it some more. Also, I only paid $550 for the TV over a year ago. It was a great deal.

I bought it because gstanford recommended it. It's an excellent gaming tv with good input lag and very little ghosting.

[RolloTheGreat]

Guys the tv is great, it has a really nice picture. It compares very well to my old high end sharp, my dad's sony, and both of my sister's samsungs. It just needed some adjustments out of the box. I think that those reviewers were either shills for the big brands or they just didn't know what they were doing. The TV has deep blacks, a good contrast ratio, and vibrant colours. The only issue is the over saturated blues which I'm sure I can fix with the service menu. I will play with it some more. Also, I only paid $550 for the TV over a year ago. It was a great deal.

I bought it because gstanford recommended it. It's an excellent gaming tv with good input lag and very little ghosting.

The AMD defense?!

The reviews are paid off by the big companies! Only savvy smart shoppers know AMD is good enough!

I've never seen a Sharp, Sony or Samsung with brown ice, or a review like that one.

What surprised me out of all of this is how sad and depressing it was for me to compare newegg Canada prices to USA newegg.

You guys get robbed blind. (and then go online a post about how it's a better way to live)

At newegg USA you can get a Vizio M60-C3 4k 240Hz tv that CNET says has an excellent picture for the same $1200 newegg ca sells you guys a 55" 120Hz. Unbelievable how screwed you guys are.

[RolloTheGreat]

You know how you said your buddy can't make ends meet on $150K? This is why. Down here he'd be living like a king in a small town, and not bad off in the city.

This is why I hope a Republican gets elected and repeals Obamacare, so we don't end up in the same mess you're in. (the govt finding sneaky ways to tax working people to pay for shirking people)

[SickBeast]

Rollo do you not realize how low the Canadian dollar has dropped? It costs $1.40cad to buy 1 us dollar now. That is the issue. Once you factor in the currency the deals are comparable and often much better here in Canada.

As for the brown ice, my old sharp did that in warm mode as well. It messes up the white balance. Perhaps you don't watch hockey.

[SickBeast]

You know how you said your buddy can't make ends meet on $150K? This is why. Down here he'd be living like a king in a small town, and not bad off in the city.

This is why I hope a Republican gets elected and repeals Obamacare, so we don't end up in the same mess you're in. (the govt finding sneaky ways to tax working people to pay for shirking people)

Actually Rollo the issue is the housing cost here in Canada. Our taxes are comparable. I could probably buy 4 bungalows like mine where you live. My house is worth over $500,000 and it's nothing special.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo do you not realize how low the Canadian dollar has dropped? It costs $1.40cad to buy 1 us dollar now. That is the issue. Once you factor in the currency the deals are comparable and often much better here in Canada.

As for the brown ice, my old sharp did that in warm mode as well. It messes up the white balance. Perhaps you don't watch hockey.

Eh, didn't realize your money was worth so much less than ours. Didn't it used to be worth more? I don't see how your money being worth less is a good thing though? If you're paid similar wages, you're still paying 40-50% for the tv. If you make 40-50% more you're getting the same deal. I don't think you guys make 40-50% more.

I don't watch hockey, the only sports I watch are soccer and NFL.

I still think you should get a new tv, leave that one behind.

[SickBeast]

Why do I need a new TV? I'm very happy with it. I think the review you linked to was a different model.

[RolloTheGreat]

Actually Rollo the issue is the housing cost here in Canada. Our taxes are comparable. I could probably buy 4 bungalows like mine where you live. My house is worth over $500,000 and it's nothing special.

No where I live you could buy this 13 year old 4000' sq foot house on 17 acres for $510,000, and be within 20 minutes of the State capitol.

http://www.firstweber.com/homes/1742179_...r-WI-53532

But I guess it's worth it to get raped for house and tvs to live in a "progressive" place.

I live in an 1800' house in a nice neighborhood, professional working people and retirees for most part, and my house is worth $220K.

What's nice about that is if either my wife or I ever lose our jobs, we don't go into crisis mode.(because either of us can afford the house/bills)

[SickBeast]

Well the currency situation is largely outside of our control unfortunately. The Arabs are driving down the price of oil and we are getting hammered because of it. I have no desire to live in Minnesota. If I ever move to the states it will be when I retire for 6 months at a time. Either Florida Hawaii or California. Minnesota is too cold and that's coming from a Canadian.

[RolloTheGreat]

Why do I need a new TV? I'm very happy with it. I think the review you linked to was a different model.

No, it has your model number in the title and review.

[SickBeast]

The model number is different Rollo, go look again. Mine is not even a smart tv.

Also have a look at this:

https://www.walmart.com/reviews/product/19416316

Amazon has similar user reviews. I'm not a videophile. I'm very happy with my TV and so are lots of other people. I trusted gstanford and I'm glad I listened to him.

[RolloTheGreat]

The model number is different Rollo, go look again. Mine is not even a smart tv.

Also have a look at this:

https://www.walmart.com/reviews/product/19416316

Amazon has similar user reviews. I'm not a videophile. I'm very happy with my TV and so are lots of other people. I trusted gstanford and I'm glad I listened to him.

Yeah, I see that is a different model. I saw it was a 55, some of the numbers matched, and it was a $700 tv, thought it was yours.

I don't know dude, I'm wary of cheaper stuff there are no professional reviews of. Good luck with it.

Still can't believe what a rip off stuff is up there.

[dmcowen674]

What surprised me out of all of this is how sad and depressing it was for me to compare newegg Canada prices to USA newegg.

You guys get robbed blind. (and then go online a post about how it's a better way to live)

At newegg USA you can get a Vizio M60-C3 4k 240Hz tv that CNET says has an excellent picture for the same $1200 newegg ca sells you guys a 55" 120Hz. Unbelievable how screwed you guys are.

I've see you do a lot of Canada bashing but I would rather pay more and get full Health care coverage than the expensive as hell crap we have here and still have to pay more when we need health care. It is us in the U.S. getting screwed.

Question is why are you so blind to it? Oh that's right because money is not an issue for you.  

[RolloTheGreat]

I've see you do a lot of Canada bashing but I would rather pay more and get full Health care coverage than the expensive as hell crap we have here and still have to pay more when we need health care. It is us in the U.S. getting screwed.

Question is why are you so blind to it? Oh that's right because money is not an issue for you.  

Why am I against paying huge taxes on things I buy? Because I'm always shopping.

Why am I against nationalized health care? Because I like what I have. Want to be able to go to the Dr for $20 and see one that morning. Don't want to make an appointment to see one in days or weeks.

Want to pay for my own family's healthcare, not a couple more plus mine.

It's not hard to see why I don't like Canada's ways.

Wanted to be able to give my son a nice car to drive in HS, and pay his way through college.

Know what my wife's "dream" is? To put her son through college because her parents could not do that for her.

Think we really care if some guy like Apoppin wants to retire early and fuck around with video cards and collect free healthcare compared to that?

You earn money for your blood, not some guys you don't even know. If you don't think this is reasonable, please, start sending me money.

Frankly if it ever comes to hard core socialism here one of us will quit or go part time to dodge the taxes. I don't care at all if some people want to be video card reviewers, social media consultants, prostitutes, ebay entrepreneurs, or even burger flippers. Won't be us funding it.

[SickBeast]

Paying for your son's college would be a hell of a lot less expensive here Rollo, not that you care. How much do you pay for it down there? Here you can go to schools that compare to the ivy league for about $5000cad per year ($3600usd).

That's what's so disgusting about your opinions on this. You would actually come out ahead here in Canada but you can't stomach your taxes helping someone in need who is less fortunate than you. Honestly I don't know how you can even look at yourself in the mirror.

[RolloTheGreat]

Paying for your son's college would be a hell of a lot less expensive here Rollo, not that you care. How much do you pay for it down there? Here you can go to schools that compare to the ivy league for about $5000cad per year ($3600usd).

That's what's so disgusting about your opinions on this. You would actually come out ahead here in Canada but you can't stomach your taxes helping someone in need who is less fortunate than you. Honestly I don't know how you can even look at yourself in the mirror.

Wowee! So I could be taxed higher, and pay more for everything my whole life, and then save some money on college?

Our state schools aren't Ivy League level, but they're $8-$10K a year in fees. (and good schools) So I can save $24K offset by paying more my whole life.

Don't think I'm coming out ahead there.

(Not to mention the money being worth 40% less)

Nothing I've seen about your economic system, or any other, makes me wish I lived there. Here a person is only limited by how much they want to work. There, the government holds you back with sneaky taxes to make the workers pay for the shirkers.

I get why that's a good deal for slackers, but I work for a living.

[RolloTheGreat]

Paying for your son's college would be a hell of a lot less expensive here Rollo, not that you care. How much do you pay for it down there? Here you can go to schools that compare to the ivy league for about $5000cad per year ($3600usd).

That's what's so disgusting about your opinions on this. You would actually come out ahead here in Canada but you can't stomach your taxes helping someone in need who is less fortunate than you. Honestly I don't know how you can even look at yourself in the mirror.

Let's review what we've uncovererd in this thread:

1. Your tvs cost 50% more, the only tvs under $1000 on the 55" page I recall were "Changhong" crap boxes.
Not good.

2. Your money is worth 40% less, even though your wages are comparable.
Not good.

3. Your housing costs 62% more, or more in your case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/23/...39918.html
Not good.

4. College is 50-60% cheaper for tuition, while being 60% higher housing and more for everything else like food:
http://www.moneytipscanada.ca/us-canada-...omparison/
Mixed, but in the long run, not good.

5. Everyone gets free healthcare, including people who make an active choice not to work at jobs that would pay them a benefit package.
Mixed, but in the long run, not good.

New trend here is high deductible plans. You pay $100/mo, and a $4000 deductible, then everything is covered. So your maximum cost is $5200 for a family but you can pay much less if you're all healthy. (and no more if you're all sick)

This is better.

I'm the one who is disgusted. You pay more for everything your whole life, and say "This is the way to go! We're helpin' people who choose not to work!"

I've got no problem helping the old, the young, and the disabled. My household pays a LOT in taxes every year, never complain, never try to shelter income with deductions. Glad to do our part for people who deserve help.

So guys like Apoppin can choose not to go to work and collect money from people like us:


No thanks. to socialism.

I think you even talked about renting a room of your house out to make ends meet once, and I bet your household income is over $100K.

You think that is BETTER?!

I think you're on crack. Helping "those less fortunate" wouldn't be worth having some stranger listen to me take a crap and do the wild thing with Mrs Rollo to me.

I think they must put some sort subliminal hypnosis in your tv advertising from the Prime Minister:

"You're all really fucked and making sacrifices our neighbors to the South don't make, but remember you get some free marginal health care and cheaper tuition....remember....it's goooood to be fucked.....the government loves you....do not move to the USA and live in prosperity...pay the taxes happily..."

[RolloTheGreat]

BTW- here's the difference in the USA:

If you WANT to spend more to help the needy, there are plenty of ways to do it. The government doesn't force you to until you become the needy.

Seriously dude, down here you would be living large on over $100K income, and if you don't like winter you can pick whatever climate you like in the US.

http://www.century21.com/property/7973-d...N015666262

You and your family could be living in this 3000 sq ft, 4bd, 3.5 bath house in Las Vegas, where it's never winter, and be paying your student loan, driving a big car and going on a nice vacation every year. (and not buying HiSense tvs, be buying $600 55" Samsungs.

It's worth giving up all that to help some people you don't know not work as hard as you do?

[dmcowen674]

"You're all really fucked and making sacrifices our neighbors to the South don't make, but remember you get some free marginal health care and cheaper tuition

I have not seen any Canadians complain about their Health care like Americans that have not experienced Canadian Health care first hand.

[SickBeast]

Rollo the tax rates in Canada and the USA are very similar. Actually if you make under $80,000 you pay less tax in Canada compared to the US. Not that you care though. You are too caught up in your blind asinine ideology.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo the tax rates in Canada and the USA are very similar. Actually if you make under $80,000 you pay less tax in Canada compared to the US. Not that you care though. You are too caught up in your blind asinine ideology.

Sure the normal income tax rates. The government hides the tax in import tariffs so you Canuck-leheads think it's Samsung, Ford, and Jack Daniels robbing you blind.

But no, it's the government paying for health insurance for valued citizens like this guy:





Gosh SB, if you don't buy him a HMO, he might go jump over people in some other country. The loss to Canada would be devastating.

It literally blows my mind that you can sit here posting about being broke, cheap tvs, taking in lodgers, buried by student debt and then hear from me, "Guess what? In the USA, you and your wife would live like low end royalty on the same cash, same jobs you have now and all you give up is buying that street performer health care" and your response is,"No God NO! Take my right nut because the left is already gone, but don't screw guys who choose not to work! They have a RIGHT to mooch off me!!!".

Totally brainwashed.

[RolloTheGreat]

"You're all really fucked and making sacrifices our neighbors to the South don't make, but remember you get some free marginal health care and cheaper tuition

I have not seen any Canadians complain about their Health care like Americans that have not experienced Canadian Health care first hand.

Honestly I don't care if their healthcare is good or bad, what they sacrifice for it is not worth the price.


You say you pay $5K for a HMO, and that is a lot, but what if everything else you bought cost more money? That would not be so good either, would it?

People need to understand that nothing is free. You can pay one way, or you pay another, but you have to pay.

At least here you're just paying for yourself, not some slackers. (at least until Obamacare)

[SickBeast]

Rollo if I moved to the sticks I could live in a house cheaper than yours in Canada.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo if I moved to the sticks I could live in a house cheaper than yours in Canada.

I doubt it, given the much higher housing costs cited in the new media for Canada.

Also, that $250K 3000sq ft house I linked you to is in Las Vegas, a city of 600,000. (not exactly the sticks)

And I'm not in the sticks either in a metro area of 300,000 some people.

Face it SB, you guys get boned and the Prime Minister is wearing a sand paper condom.

[SickBeast]

Rollo you're completely coo-coo.  Crazy.  I asked for help calibrating my TV and now you have insulted both my TV and the country I live in.  Thanks a lot.  Not only that but just about everything you have said is not true (surprise, surprise).

You can get a house in a city of 300,000 near where I live for $100,000.  If you want 10 acres with it, $200,000.

The prices are high in our large cities because there are very few cities in the world that can match our quality of life in Canada.  We are an immigration hub. Rich people from around the world flock here in droves and it drives up the cost of housing because the demand badly outstrips the supply. Not only that but my $500,000 house is a great investment that's going to give me a huge nest egg when I retire.  I bought it for $400,000 3 years ago.  So it's going up at $33,000/year.  It's great.  I'm not even paying that much into my mortgage each year.  My house is going up in value at a rate that's double the interest that I'm paying on the mortgage.

Like I said, the tax rates are comparable and they actually favor people who make under $80,000/year here in Canada which is only fair IMO and it benefits the most people.  Most families make under $80,000/year combined.  We are fortunate to make significantly more than that.

There is no question that the quality of life is higher here in Canada.  You say I'm getting shafted but I'm pretty sure I'm better off than you are with more to show for it.  My house is worth over twice as much as yours, just as an example, and I can afford it.  You talk about all your cars and boats but I highly doubt they are worth the $280,000 price difference between our houses.

I will admit that overall a lot of goods are cheaper in the US, however in Canada I would say that groceries are cheaper.  This is based on my limited travel to the US.  I found that when I was in New Orleans the groceries were more expensive than here plus it was all priced in US dollars which made it 30-40% more expensive for us.

Gasoline is cheaper in the US along with some other things.  It used to be that electronics were cheaper there but with our dollar dropping the deals are better here now.  Just as an example, I recently bought a really nice laptop for $323CAD.  apoppin wants to buy one too but they are $350USD in the USA.  So your logic is flawed.  Really what I would say is that you're clearly very ignorant about my country despite the fact that your state borders on it.  I would appreciate it if you would stop posting blatant lies about where I live.  If you're going to comment, at least do some research first because what you keep on saying is complete nonsense.  You're just trying to prove that your right wing craziness is a good idea but you are failing badly.  Please stop.

[SickBeast]

Just to get back on topic for the thread, I disabled dynamic contrast and it seems to have fixed the blue push. I will know later when I watch some hockey. Thanks to bofox for recommending that.

[dmcowen674]

Just to get back on topic for the thread, I disabled dynamic contrast and it seems to have fixed the blue push. I will know later when I watch some hockey. Thanks to bofox for recommending that.

Awesome  

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo you're completely coo-coo.  Crazy.  I asked for help calibrating my TV and now you have insulted both my TV and the country I live in.  Thanks a lot.  Not only that but just about everything you have said is not true (surprise, surprise).

You can get a house in a city of 300,000 near where I live for $100,000.  If you want 10 acres with it, $200,000.

The prices are high in our large cities because there are very few cities in the world that can match our quality of life in Canada.  We are an immigration hub.  Rich people from around the world flock here in droves and it drives up the cost of housing because the demand badly outstrips the supply.  Not only that but my $500,000 house is a great investment that's going to give me a huge nest egg when I retire.  I bought it for $400,000 3 years ago.  So it's going up at $33,000/year.  It's great.  I'm not even paying that much into my mortgage each year.  My house is going up in value at a rate that's double the interest that I'm paying on the mortgage.

Like I said, the tax rates are comparable and they actually favor people who make under $80,000/year here in Canada which is only fair IMO and it benefits the most people.  Most families make under $80,000/year combined.  We are fortunate to make significantly more than that.

There is no question that the quality of life is higher here in Canada.  You say I'm getting shafted but I'm pretty sure I'm better off than you are with more to show for it.  My house is worth over twice as much as yours, just as an example, and I can afford it.  You talk about all your cars and boats but I highly doubt they are worth the $280,000 price difference between our houses.

I will admit that overall a lot of goods are cheaper in the US, however in Canada I would say that groceries are cheaper.  This is based on my limited travel to the US.  I found that when I was in New Orleans the groceries were more expensive than here plus it was all priced in US dollars which made it 30-40% more expensive for us.

Gasoline is cheaper in the US along with some other things.  It used to be that electronics were cheaper there but with our dollar dropping the deals are better here now.  Just as an example, I recently bought a really nice laptop for $323CAD.  apoppin wants to buy one too but they are $350USD in the USA.  So your logic is flawed.  Really what I would say is that you're clearly very ignorant about my country despite the fact that your state borders on it.  I would appreciate it if you would stop posting blatant lies about where I live.  If you're going to comment, at least do some research first because what you keep on saying is complete nonsense.  You're just trying to prove that your right wing craziness is a good idea but you are failing badly.  Please stop.

SB, I'm not trying to insult you at all or provoke a checkbooks at 30 paces duel.

I'm just saying that if you search newegg ca and newegg USA for 55" tv, the results are pretty shocking to someone in the US.

Then when I pull up an article about how much more your housing and groceries also cost, and how much less your money is worth, I have to question the system up there. Doesn't seem to be working for anyone but the poor.