I need help calibrating my TV

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo you never admit it when you're wrong. Never.

Someday when I'm within a 100 miles of it I'll think about it.

Having someone try to propose socialism as the solution to slavery that has not existed for 200 years is more like 10,000 miles of it.

Again, I'm having a hard time believing your a teacher.

There was nothing logical or cohesive in that argument and here you are saying that I am "p3wnd".

Hint: Wall of text does not win debates. Valid points are needed.

[BoFox]

All right, all right..  I only used slavery in comparison to lack of public government-assisted basic healthcare, because it's extreme discrimination and inequality at its worst.  It literally translates to you refusing to extend your arm to a guy trying to crawl out of a crushed car with a truck about to fall on top of it, just because he doesn't have the dollar bills in his hand for you to accept his proof that he can pay for healthcare.  

Say, somebody stole your identity, emptied your bank account, caused you to have bad credit, and your company laid you off at the same time...   shall we deny you your healthcare, if you didn't have the moola to cough up at that instant? 

Other countries go even further to provide free college education for all regardless of race, creed, status or background, but I'll not go there for now.  

Of course, it's not fair that the rich feel like they have to pay for more, but what's even more unfair is that the poor black families still recovering from the after-effects of slavery (and extreme discrimination and lack of education allowed up until the civil rights movement of the 60's - and still persisting well into the 80's in many parts of the country, which influences today) simply do not have the money to ever pay off the stupid health care costs. 

Pure unfettered capitalism means extreme slavery of all but the executives.  It'd be that way if it were not for the government.  We're all too selfish - we need a baseline system and a central body to enforce that system, so that we don't run each other down into a totalitarian communist monopoly of one gigantic corporation turning everybody into blind slaves.

[BoFox]

Wow BoFox you just pwned Rollo! I didn't think you had it in you. I thought he was your master.

We always disagreed when it came to basic healthcare available for all free of charge (funded by tax, of course).  So are the roads that we drive on..   it'd be stupid if all the roads became toll roads, so that the poor (including the lazy poor) can't afford it. 

Well, guess what, Rollo, it's not only the poor that are "slackers".  Many and a great many of the rich (particularly members of rich families) are extreme slackers to the highest degree.  If the rich are giving millions of $$ to ultra-lazy members of their families, couldn't they just be a bit more humanitarian and consider others as one great big human family?  Like with monopoly being illegal, simple rule:  keep universal healthcare as a right for each fellow being....
Unless it bankrupts the nation with a civil war of Isis insurgents (after the Syrian refugees have flooded the nation), with millions of them being sent to hospitals!  Hehe!

It's not really universal healthcare that is the financial culprit of the nation with those "slackers" amongst the population - it's actually welfare.  There's just so damn much welfare for everybody that nobody wants to work!  Rollo's idea of subsidizing the would-be laid-offs keeps everybody working - there's just too many baby boomers falling back onto their permanent couches, that if the government didn't provide welfare for the unemployed, the depression of 2008 would be as bad as the Great Depression of 1929.

[RolloTheGreat]

Meh. I give up.

To believe in the reverse discrimination of socialism, any points I would make won't be accepted.

Enjoy the "feel good" law.

[SickBeast]

Rollo you never give up.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo you never give up.

Gave up.

There are two kinds of people: those who believe a HMO is a right, and those who believe it's part of a benefit package.

You're the former, I'm the latter.

Neither of us will convince the other, so what's the point of debating the matter?

[SickBeast]

Wow that's so logical.

[RolloTheGreat]

It is very simple to prove you wrong actually.

Humans existed and required health care which others in their society provided long before "salaries" or "work for money" ever existed!

Healthcare is something we need.

We can exist without money and jobs.

(where's that joint emoticon when you need it?!)



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=114045132

In that era, most medical care in the U.S. was basically medieval — a bunch of potions that did nothing. Luckily, though, they were cheap potions. Health care was a trivial part of the average person's annual budget. In 1900, the average American spent $5 a year on health care ($100 in today's money). No one had health insurance, because you don't need insurance for something that costs $5 a year.

The First Health Insurance

Before the birth of modern medicine, hospitals were poorhouses where the indigent went to die.

Yes Gstan, the healthcare of the old days was SUPERB. A guy could get some leeches put on him to suck out the poison, maybe get some "bad blood" drained, a hole drilled in their skull....

Hey, did you get one of the holes drilled?

[RolloTheGreat]

Homo Sapiens has been around on the planet for several hundred thousand years you know rollo.  Money has only existed for around 6000 years (at most) and yes medieval health care sucked, but that was due to the church controlling everything at the time.  The greeks, romans and egyptians were pretty good at healthcare well before then.

Gosh GStan, looks like your own government disagrees with you.

http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/...10Mar+2011

In the late 1800s your life expectancy would have been about 45, now it is up to about 80. What the heck could be responsible for this doubling of life expectancy?!

The Romans had great HMOs, so how com e you guys were only living until 45?

[SickBeast]

Rollo do you not notice the fact that you are choosing the opposite side of every single thing we are discussing on here? You have admitted in the past that you do this as a game that you play with yourself. Please give it a rest, it gets really boring and it's a big waste of time for everyone.

[RolloTheGreat]

Like I said the dark ages and medieval period happened.  Ignorance flourished while the church prospered.

It took us until the 1850's or thereabouts to begin to recover from that.

Capitalism wants to usher in its own dark ages, where we are all wage slaves to our rich overlords and our only purpose in life is working to enrich them.

Ignorance is flourishing right now. Pre- modern medicine people lived around 40 years.

http://ourworldindata.org/data/populatio...xpectancy/

In Rome around the time of Christ people were living around 35 years.


https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-avera...-his-death

There was no magical free health care the church put the smack down on - only dying.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo do you not notice the fact that you are choosing the opposite side of every single thing we are discussing on here? You have admitted in the past that you do this as a game that you play with yourself. Please give it a rest, it gets really boring and it's a big waste of time for everyone.

I suppose it would be easier for you to go on believing your delusions....

[RolloTheGreat]

Like I said the dark ages and medieval period happened.  Ignorance flourished while the church prospered.

It took us until the 1850's or thereabouts to begin to recover from that.

Capitalism wants to usher in its own dark ages, where we are all wage slaves to our rich overlords and our only purpose in life is working to enrich them.

Ignorance is flourishing right now. Pre- modern medicine people lived around 40 years.

http://ourworldindata.org/data/populatio...xpectancy/

In Rome around the time of Christ people were living around 35 years.


https://www.quora.com/What-was-the-avera...-his-death

There was no magical free health care the church put the smack down on - only dying.

Irrelevant!  I mentioned nothing about average life span.

The romans, greeks and egyptians lived far healthier lives than people in the dark ages and medieval period did under the thumb of the church.  Even the slaves of those societies enjoyed better health than most people unfortunate enough to be born in the spanning the dark and medieval periods (arguably the early industrial revolution also where the first "modern" factory workers were treated like absolute dirt by their "employer" overlords).

Lifespan is pretty relevant, if you're cashing out before 40 I don't care if you had a foot long erection, 110/70 BP, 3% body fat, and clear skin- your health care SUCKS.

"I say Flavious, you're looking GREAT! Sorry to hear about your 35th birthday party though, I guess we'll be looking for a new man down at the vineyards soon."

[SickBeast]

Rollo don't speak.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo don't speak.

You should be asking GStan not to speak when he's steering you at HiSense TVs.

Check out my posts in the other thread about three different HiSense TVs, one 4K, two 1080P.

Reviewers say they're the revenge of China on America, totally unusable. One of those reviewed is supposedly their "flagship 55" 1080P in 2014".

http://televisions.reviewed.com/content/...-tv-review

Android apps, cartoons, and some video games will look okay, but high-quality items like Blu-ray discs or HD streaming are done a major disservice.

The H7G sports very snappy design and wonderful features, but its picture quality is borderline deplorable.

If they say that about HiSense's "best", what do you think they would say about yours?

[RolloTheGreat]

You are a fuckwit Rollo!

Yes, how foolish can I be that I do not realize having a 35 -40 year lifespan is the state of health to shoot for?

Those ancient times guys were living the health care dream, at least until they got their first gray hair.

You sound like freaking Apoppin: "Parents were caring for their kids long before those crazy lifesaving antibiotics and chemicals! Just give your child some hot thistle soup, 8 sunflower seeds, and a pinecone and he'll be fine!"


No, healthcare back then blowed goats and the very short time people lived is direct evidence of this. Hint: They weren't dying because their bodies were worn out at 35.

[SickBeast]

You know what? I am glad gstanford spoke. I needed a tv that was good for gaming with good input lag and I'm glad I trusted him. Greg is very picky. I have no regrets about my TV.

[SickBeast]

Rollo don't speak.

[RolloTheGreat]

You are a fuckwit Rollo!

Yes, how foolish can I be that I do not realize having a 35 -40 year lifespan is the state of health to shoot for?

Those ancient times guys were living the health care dream, at least until they got their first gray hair.

You sound like freaking Apoppin: "Parents were caring for their kids long before those crazy lifesaving antibiotics and chemicals! Just give your child some hot thistle soup, 8 sunflower seeds, and a pinecone and he'll be fine!"


No, healthcare back then blowed goats and the very short time people lived is direct evidence of this. Hint: They weren't dying because their bodies were worn out at 35.

 

Well, what about it?

Why do you think they were dying at 35 if they had good health care? We seem able to keep people alive over twice as long these days.

[RolloTheGreat]

Because they didn't have penicillin back then, obviously!  They couldn't treat bacteria and viruses like we can.  Does not mean their health care was bad though.

and your 35 year average life span for them is flat out bullshit.

Ah. So they had "good healthcare" but they were killed by diseases that are easily cured now.

We have different definitions of "good healthcare", in mine the healthcare actually has to keep you breathing to be decent.

I guess when you're used to socialized medicine the bar is lower.

[RolloTheGreat]

they had good healthcare compared to the dark and medieval ages.  You were the one who trotted medieval healthcare out, not me.

http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-evol...ong-077889

This "good healthcare" is kind of like your "good tvs" proclamation.

"HiSense makes great tvs..if you don't buy the 4K one that the stuff on the screen disappears and reappears....and if you don't buy the ones reviews say are only suitable for video games..."

Now with healthcare:

"They had great healthcare....if you survive birth and childhood...and then didn't get a disease there was no cure for...."

From your own link:

The early years from infancy through to about 15 was perilous, due to risks posed by disease, injuries, and accidents. But those who survived this hazardous period of life could well make it into old age.

Again, maybe we just have a higher standard of what "good healthcare" is here. For us, good healthcare has to keep you alive.

[RolloTheGreat]

and if the means to keep you alive has yet to be discovered then there isn't much you can do about that.  Does not mean that you won't get the best health care available at the time.

More AMD defense from you.

"If you're zipping files and only playing game X, AMD CPUs are just as good!"

GStan:
"If you throw out "surviving childhood" and "surviving adult diseases that have now been cured", they had the best possible healthcare at the time....errrr....of course it's like comparing your Samsung Note 5 to two soup cans with a string between them for communication, but two soup cans was all they had then so by definition it was "good"".

Why don't you just admit you're horribly, laughably wrong so I can stop wasting my time p3wning you?

[SickBeast]

Rollo don't speak until next week. Shush your mouth and shush your beak. Your cheeks are weak. You cannot speak.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo don't speak until next week. Shush your mouth and shush your beak. Your cheeks are weak. You cannot speak.

You certainly seem to think you can police the posts on the board.

Dave took your mod powers, remember?

[SickBeast]

Hush.

[RolloTheGreat]

Hush.

LOL

You apparently think school is in session and I'm a student.

[SickBeast]

I'm going to talk to the mother.

[ocre]

This "good healthcare" is kind of like your "good tvs" proclamation.

"HiSense makes great tvs..if you don't buy the 4K one that the stuff on the screen disappears and reappears....and if you don't buy the ones reviews say are only suitable for video games..."

Now with healthcare:

"They had great healthcare....if you survive birth and childhood...and then didn't get a disease there was no cure for...."

From your own link:

The early years from infancy through to about 15 was perilous, due to risks posed by disease, injuries, and accidents.  But those who survived this hazardous period of life could well make it into old age.

Again, maybe we just have a higher standard of what "good healthcare" is here. For us, good healthcare has to keep you alive.

Rollo, do you realize the same thing can be said today. We have diseases that we simply can't cure and if you are unlucky enough to end up with one of them.....

We can say the same thing, "if you are lucky enough to get thru your childhood......and then didn't get a disease there was no cure for......"

Also, as far as TVs....
It's subjective. I have a high preference for Samsung TVs but I know people who feel very strongly about other brands. It is not my place to push Samsung on anyone but if someone ask me, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them my preference.

I am sure that there are many many people who could say that HiSense is a good brand. For the money, I am sure that equation plays a factor. It for me, a TV last so many years that a few hundred bucks is negligible. To others, it may be just too expensive and simply not something they can or want to spare. Especially when the experience is so subjective to the individual. Of course, on a pixel level there could and should be measurable differences. But the human watches TV, they don't measure pixels. What they get out of it can only be measured by the person experiencing it. This is way more complex than I want to get into but you should know that everyone's reality is skewed. That preference is subjective

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo, do you realize the same thing can be said today. We have diseases that we simply can't cure and if you are unlucky enough to end up with one of them.....

We can say the same thing, "if you are lucky enough to get thru your childhood......and then didn't get a disease there was no cure for......"

Also, as far as TVs....
It's subjective.  I have a high preference for Samsung TVs but I know people who feel very strongly about other brands.  It is not my place to push Samsung on anyone but if someone ask me, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them my preference.

I am sure that there are many many people who could say that HiSense is a good brand.  For the money, I am sure that equation plays a factor.   It for me, a TV last so many years that a few hundred bucks is negligible.  To others, it may be just too expensive and simply not something they can or want to spare.  Especially when the experience is so subjective to the individual.  Of course, on a pixel level there could and should be measurable differences.  But the human watches TV, they don't measure pixels.  What they get out of it can only be measured by the person experiencing it.   This is way more complex than I want to get into but you should know that everyone's reality is skewed.  That preference is subjective

Yes, on healthcare there may indeed come a time when we live to 120 and these will be the "dark ages". But infant mortality rates lifespans back in ancient times were just BAD.

I also get the value factor of TVs but when you read things like "stuff popped in and out of view" and "the picture was so bad it's unusable" it's tough to get excited for HiSense.

[SickBeast]

This "good healthcare" is kind of like your "good tvs" proclamation.

"HiSense makes great tvs..if you don't buy the 4K one that the stuff on the screen disappears and reappears....and if you don't buy the ones reviews say are only suitable for video games..."

Now with healthcare:

"They had great healthcare....if you survive birth and childhood...and then didn't get a disease there was no cure for...."

From your own link:

The early years from infancy through to about 15 was perilous, due to risks posed by disease, injuries, and accidents.  But those who survived this hazardous period of life could well make it into old age.

Again, maybe we just have a higher standard of what "good healthcare" is here. For us, good healthcare has to keep you alive.

Rollo, do you realize the same thing can be said today. We have diseases that we simply can't cure and if you are unlucky enough to end up with one of them.....

We can say the same thing, "if you are lucky enough to get thru your childhood......and then didn't get a disease there was no cure for......"

Also, as far as TVs....
It's subjective.  I have a high preference for Samsung TVs but I know people who feel very strongly about other brands.  It is not my place to push Samsung on anyone but if someone ask me, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them my preference.

I am sure that there are many many people who could say that HiSense is a good brand.  For the money, I am sure that equation plays a factor.   It for me, a TV last so many years that a few hundred bucks is negligible.  To others, it may be just too expensive and simply not something they can or want to spare.  Especially when the experience is so subjective to the individual.  Of course, on a pixel level there could and should be measurable differences.  But the human watches TV, they don't measure pixels.  What they get out of it can only be measured by the person experiencing it.   This is way more complex than I want to get into but you should know that everyone's reality is skewed.  That preference is subjective

Thank you Ocre, that is a very well thought out post.

You know, I will agree with you to a large extent actually. What happened with me was I spent $2000 on a high end Sharp TV many years ago. Watching the prices drop on them was horrible. After that purchase I vowed to never spend that much on a TV again. I was so frustrated by it that I considered off-brands like Hisense. When Greg recommended it and there was one on sale where I live I jumped on it. Do I regret the purchase? No. Is the TV perfect? No. There are some minor uniformity issues when I watch hockey and last week the TV developed a "hot pixel"; it's basically a tiny spot that is slightly brighter than the rest of the picture. During normal viewing it is not noticeable however it is there if you look for it on a white background. Would a better brand like Samsung have these issues? Maybe. My TV has no dead pixels and everything else is perfect. For what I paid I am very happy with it. All of that being said, I think for my next purchase I'm going to look for more of a balance. I'm not saying that I don't like Hisense; I'm just saying that next time I would like to find a good deal on a TV from a more well known and reputable brand. Actually I really like my dad's new Toshiba TV. It is direct lit. If any of you guys are hockey fans or if you're bothered by uniformity issues I highly recommend looking into direct lit LED TVs. It makes a big difference.

[SteelCrysis]

Thank you Ocre, that is a very well thought out post.

You know, I will agree with you to a large extent actually.  What happened with me was I spent $2000 on a high end Sharp TV many years ago.  Watching the prices drop on them was horrible.  After that purchase I vowed to never spend that much on a TV again.  I was so frustrated by it that I considered off-brands like Hisense.  When Greg recommended it and there was one on sale where I live I jumped on it.  Do I regret the purchase?  No.  Is the TV perfect?  No.  There are some minor uniformity issues when I watch hockey and last week the TV developed a "hot pixel"; it's basically a tiny spot that is slightly brighter than the rest of the picture.  During normal viewing it is not noticeable however it is there if you look for it on a white background.  Would a better brand like Samsung have these issues?  Maybe.  My TV has no dead pixels and everything else is perfect.  For what I paid I am very happy with it.  All of that being said, I think for my next purchase I'm going to look for more of a balance.  I'm not saying that I don't like Hisense; I'm just saying that next time I would like to find a good deal on a TV from a more well known and reputable brand.  Actually I really like my dad's new Toshiba TV.  It is direct lit.  If any of you guys are hockey fans or if you're bothered by uniformity issues I highly recommend looking into direct lit LED TVs.  It makes a big difference.

Sadly, wise people like you have to be a minority so that new technology can reach critical mass in sales.

[SickBeast]

Thank you Ocre, that is a very well thought out post.

You know, I will agree with you to a large extent actually.  What happened with me was I spent $2000 on a high end Sharp TV many years ago.  Watching the prices drop on them was horrible.  After that purchase I vowed to never spend that much on a TV again.  I was so frustrated by it that I considered off-brands like Hisense.  When Greg recommended it and there was one on sale where I live I jumped on it.  Do I regret the purchase?  No.  Is the TV perfect?  No.  There are some minor uniformity issues when I watch hockey and last week the TV developed a "hot pixel"; it's basically a tiny spot that is slightly brighter than the rest of the picture.  During normal viewing it is not noticeable however it is there if you look for it on a white background.  Would a better brand like Samsung have these issues?  Maybe.  My TV has no dead pixels and everything else is perfect.  For what I paid I am very happy with it.  All of that being said, I think for my next purchase I'm going to look for more of a balance.  I'm not saying that I don't like Hisense; I'm just saying that next time I would like to find a good deal on a TV from a more well known and reputable brand.  Actually I really like my dad's new Toshiba TV.  It is direct lit.  If any of you guys are hockey fans or if you're bothered by uniformity issues I highly recommend looking into direct lit LED TVs.  It makes a big difference.

Sadly, wise people like you have to be a minority so that new technology can reach critical mass in sales.

There will always be people with lots of money to drive new technologies. I bought that $2000 TV before I had kids when I had some extra cash to spare (or so I thought). I was clueless before I had kids. I had no idea how much daycare costs, let alone diapers and everything else. I nearly went broke when my son was born. We are OK now but that $2000 TV was a painful lesson to me, almost as painful as the car I bought back then (that was an even bigger waste of money).

You know what though? We all learn from our mistakes. I'm just thankful that I was able to recover.