4K TVs Continue To Rise Despite TV Shipments Dropping

[SickBeast]

I am buying a 55" RCA TV here on Saturday. $478CAD, no tax. I can't go wrong at that price. Apparently it has a 10 bit LG IPS panel.

[RolloTheGreat]

I am buying a 55" RCA TV here on Saturday.  $478CAD, no tax.  I can't go wrong at that price.  Apparently it has a 10 bit LG IPS panel.

You have a 55" tv already and there is no 4K content?

[SickBeast]

I own over 100 steam games. That is plenty of content. Not to mention the fact that 4k cable TV is available in my area with quite a bit of 4k sports content for $12.95/month, I might try it out. I also have a gigabit internet connection so I will be able to stream a lot of stuff on Netflix and YouTube.

[RolloTheGreat]

I own over 100 steam games. That is plenty of content.  Not to mention the fact that 4k cable TV is available in my area with quite a bit of 4k sports content for $12.95/month, I might try it out. I also have a gigabit internet connection so I will be able to stream a lot of stuff on Netflix and YouTube.

You don't own a computer that will play a 4K game.

I just read a review this morning that said you'll never tell the difference in 4K below 60" on a tv.

Your money, but this isn't how I'd spend mine.

EDIT: Not to mention a low end 4K might even be worse than what you have- did you read any good reviews of this tv? I didn't even know RCA was still in business.

[SickBeast]

I am upgrading my GPU. I will let you guys know my thoughts over the weekend. I hear it's a nice TV.

[BoFox]

You don't own a computer that will play a 4K game.

Depends on which game.  If he plays games that are over 3 years old, like CS:GO (still one of the most popular games today, beating most of the newer games), etc..  he'd have no problem running them maxed out at 4K constant 60+fps on something as lowly as a GTX 670. 

But then he'd probably upgrade again to 70" HDR real soon...   

[RolloTheGreat]

Went to Best Buy tonight, bought this tv:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d?uxtv=86ce

Also picked up this matching soundbar because I got $200 off for buying the tv:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-2-1-cha...Id=4890100

[RolloTheGreat]

Hmmmm, something just occurred to me. GStan said I am a "racist" and that I "hate Sony".

I just gave Sony probably more cash than GStan has spent with them in his entire life. (not to mention all the Sony computers, cameras, consoles, media players I've bought in the past)

Furthermore; I just told my son yesterday afternoon that I'd be buying him the new PS4, so he can do whatever he wants with the old one. (he was asking if he could take it to a LAN party type gathering last night)

This appears to be another instance where GStan's assessment of a situation is incorrect. It would seem I actually support Sony in the only way they care about.

[SickBeast]

That's awesome, Rollo!  I got my TV today as well.

Except I spent 1/6 as much as you on something super low end.  I'm just not willing to pony up for 4k right now.

The RCA TV is pretty nice actually!  It's very basic and definitely nothing fancy but web browsing and the 4k demos on YouTube really look wonderful on it.  I am still tweaking the color but it's pretty good.  The uniformity is excellent, much better than my old TV, which I am happy with.

For $478CAD including tax I can't go wrong with this TV.

I ordered a DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter as well so I can have full 60hz at 4k with my 280x.

What size TV did you get, Rollo?

If you could share about your gaming experience with a GTX 980 Ti at 4k resolution I would appreciate it. I hear it's decent but it would be nice to hear it from you as well.

[RolloTheGreat]

That's awesome, Rollo!  I got my TV today as well.

Except I spent 1/6 as much as you on something super low end.  I'm just not willing to pony up for 4k right now.

The RCA TV is pretty nice actually!  It's very basic and definitely nothing fancy but web browsing and the 4k demos on YouTube really look wonderful on it.  I am still tweaking the color but it's pretty good.  The uniformity is excellent, much better than my old TV, which I am happy with.

For $478CAD including tax I can't go wrong with this TV.

I ordered a DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter as well so I can have full 60hz at 4k with my 280x.

What size TV did you get, Rollo?

If you could share about your gaming experience with a GTX 980 Ti at 4k resolution I would appreciate it.  I hear it's decent but it would be nice to hear it from you as well.

I got the 65" tv, but I won't be computer gaming on it. (only Xbone, maybe with it set to 120Hz/1080p)

The only gaming I've done with the 980Tis at 4K is on the GSync monitor, which works pretty well.

[SickBeast]

So how much did the TV cost?

[RolloTheGreat]

So how much did the TV cost?

The tv was $1999.99 + tax. ($2110.)

More than I've spent on a tv before, but the going rate here for mid range 65" tvs.

The money I'm going to save ($80/mo) by streaming VUE and Netflix for my content will pay for it in 2  years. I think it's excellent I can stream Vue through it without an external device of any kind now that Sony is launching Vue on Android.

Note- I'm not making payments on a tv for two years, but switching to Vue will get me the $2000 back in two years time. That's not bad at all.

[BoFox]

Went to Best Buy tonight, bought this tv:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d?uxtv=86ce

Also picked up this matching soundbar because I got $200 off for buying the tv:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-2-1-cha...Id=4890100

Interesting review by RTINGS, thanks for sharing. 

LMK how you like the TV! 

BTW, I'm not sure if Xbone will support 120Hz @ 1080p, if it doesn't support the newer features of HDMI 2.0...  it'd be interesting if it does. 

Also, that RTINGS review giving it a rating of 9.3 for video games seems a bit high, if the input lag is 34.6ms.  I don't think 34.6ms is "very good".  Well, actually, they gave it an 8.4 rating on the input lag alone, but still, 34.6ms sounds more like a 6.0 rating to me, instead of 8.4!  I guess that's because most tv's (rather than computer monitors) still cannot do less than 50ms input lag (while many monitors can easily do way less than 15ms).  If it were OLED, it'd probably have less than 1-4ms input lag.  DLP, even less, measured in microseconds.  But I think I might be confusing it with response time, as input lag involves other different factors with the bloated driver algorithms etc.. (all depending on the vendor's implementation of all the post-processing BS).

[RolloTheGreat]

Went to Best Buy tonight, bought this tv:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x850d?uxtv=86ce

Also picked up this matching soundbar because I got $200 off for buying the tv:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sony-2-1-cha...Id=4890100

Interesting review by RTINGS, thanks for sharing. 

LMK how you like the TV! 

BTW, I'm not sure if Xbone will support 120Hz @ 1080p, if it doesn't support the newer features of HDMI 2.0...  it'd be interesting if it does. 

Also, that RTINGS review giving it a rating of 9.3 for video games seems a bit high, if the input lag is 34.6ms.  I don't think 34.6ms is "very good".  Well, actually, they gave it an 8.4 rating on the input lag alone, but still, 34.6ms sounds more like a 6.0 rating to me, instead of 8.4!  I guess that's because most tv's (rather than computer monitors) still cannot do less than 50ms input lag (while many monitors can easily do way less than 15ms).  If it were OLED, it'd probably have less than 1-4ms input lag.  DLP, even less, measured in microseconds.  But I think I might be confusing it with response time, as input lag involves other different factors with the bloated driver algorithms etc.. (all depending on the vendor's implementation of all the post-processing BS).

34ms input lag is not bad, I've been gaming on a Dell 3008 with 35ms input lag forever, and even the Dell 3014 was benching at 33ms 3 years ago. People have been gaming with that amount of input lag on high end pc monitors. (which kind of makes sense as this tv is just a big IPS panel like a PC monitor)

That wasn't my primary "hot button" though, the color/picture on the Sony TVs was more realistic to me than the LG 8500 I was also looking at. I also liked the streaming Vue and Android OS a lot, that saved me $139 on a Roku 4. When you add in the Sony HT NT5 for $400 instead of the $600 it is available for generally, and the fact I needed a sound bar/sub for this TV, it was a pretty easy decision between the Sony and these two that were my other choices after reading reviews:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000

That one has much worse side view rating, and this is going to be a key factor for me at my new house as it's a custom built house with a bigger, but in my opinion, poorly designed living room for a tv room. I think the current owners wanted it to be more a sitting/party room and didn't even have a cable jack installed there.

Then there's the $100 plus for a streaming device added on to it's $300 higher cost, and no discount on soundbar/sub adding even more cost. (although it's possible I could have found another sound bar with $799 MSRP/$600 usual price for $400)

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/uh8500

This one Rollo Jr and I liked a lot as well, Mrs. Rollo said she did not want a stainless steel and chrome tv in our living room. (and there was the no Android, no sound bar discount)

Those were pretty much what I narrowed it to for $2000 TVs, basically everything had pros/cons.

The OLEDs are noticeably better image quality, but cost more than double. (more than I'll pay for a TV basically)

[RolloTheGreat]

Note: Input lag on LG 9600 and 9500 OLEDs is 50ms and 53ms respectively.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/eg9600?uxtv=86ce

I think IPS are a good compromise of IQ and respsonsiveness for gaming should I ever choose to do it more. (haven't gamed since the I bought Doom for XBone, and only played that 3-4X)

[SickBeast]

So how much did the TV cost?

The tv was $1999.99 + tax. ($2110.)

More than I've spent on a tv before, but the going rate here for mid range 65" tvs.

The money I'm going to save ($80/mo) by streaming VUE and Netflix for my content will pay for it in 2  years. I think it's excellent I can stream Vue through it without an external device of any kind now that Sony is launching Vue on Android.

Note- I'm not making payments on a tv for two years, but switching to Vue will get me the $2000 back in two years time. That's not bad at all.

Have you looked into 4k Netflix yet? I'm quite disappointed with it. You have to subscribe to their most expensive plan, plus they won't let you stream 4k from your PC. It only works from very specific TVs' smart features (perhaps your TV is one of them that is compatible). Apparently they are worried about piracy. If you can confirm that you can stream 4k Netflix with either the Windows 10 app or else through Chrome I would appreciate it.

[RolloTheGreat]

I can't watch anything in 4K until I move in mid July, having the tv delivered to the new house after it's set up and ready.

That tv is Netflix recommended, has a Netflix button on the remote, can say "Netflix" near it and it switches to Netflix. (another one of the reasons I bought it as I'm going all streaming now)

http://hdtvsandmore.com/sony-xbr65x850d-...-tv-review

Netflix Recommended TV – This certification makes it easier for consumers to know which manufacturers HDTV’s work best with its streaming video service

Note: I honestly don't expect to care about 4K or HDR anytime soon, as I've been saying all along. Basically I just don't like to be the old grandpa dude muttering, "My receiver, tower speakers and 1080P are a PLENTY good home theatre experience you whippersnappers!!" when everyone is talking about their modern crap.

The stuff I saw available is worthless bullshit, only thing I saw I want to see on Netflix I really want to see is Breaking Bad. (been meaning to watch that for years)

[SickBeast]

Well I will tell you that the naysayers about 4k are completely wrong. The difference in sharpness and clarity is profound, even sitting 8' away from a 55" screen. It's a night-and-day difference when reading text and using the computer. When watching videos the difference is not as pronounced, but it is still a major improvement. I don't know who came up with those viewing distance charts but they must have pretty bad eyesight.

[SteelCrysis]

Well I will tell you that the naysayers about 4k are completely wrong.  The difference in sharpness and clarity is profound, even sitting 8' away from a 55" screen.  It's a night-and-day difference when reading text and using the computer.  When watching videos the difference is not as pronounced, but it is still a major improvement.  I don't know who came up with those viewing distance charts but they must have pretty bad eyesight.

That's because the viewing distance chart people focused on resolving pixels. In reality, the higher amount of pixels and higher pixel density result in sharper details, and more gradual transitions of color. Those are differences that viewing distance charts can't measure. I remember being roundly yelled at when I posted a link to this years ago, with everyone on here crying "wah wah, no double blind!"

[RolloTheGreat]

Well I will tell you that the naysayers about 4k are completely wrong.  The difference in sharpness and clarity is profound, even sitting 8' away from a 55" screen.  It's a night-and-day difference when reading text and using the computer.  When watching videos the difference is not as pronounced, but it is still a major improvement.  I don't know who came up with those viewing distance charts but they must have pretty bad eyesight.

I like my 4K monitor a lot, and the 4K tvs I looked at at all looked better than my 1080ps. (although I was standing pretty close and they are looping 4K native content)

The upconversion is supposed to be one of Sony's strong suits, so I'm hoping my streamed 720p will look good.

Can always go back to cable/1080p if I have to, but am hoping to "stick it to those guys" after decades of being bent over the coffee with the silver cable remote stuffed in my mouth to muffle the screams.

[SickBeast]

1080p content looks excellent on my TV, slightly sharper than it was on my 1080p TV. So the upscaling does seem to have a bit of an effect. I notice it more when there is text on the screen. I haven't tried any 720p content yet. My cable feed is 1080i; I don't really have access to any 720p content. I guess I could try a YouTube video.

[RolloTheGreat]

SB, I think I'm your "lord paramount".

I tell you I'm buying a 4K tv and a 980 Ti, and you buy a 4K tv and a 980 Ti.

[SickBeast]

No.

[BoFox]

SB, you buying a 980 Ti too?  

[SteelCrysis]

I'm going to have a new computer soon. Its graphics card will be an EVGA GTX 1070 SC ACX 3.0. It's going to make for an interesting comparison with Rollo's EVGA GTX 980 Ti Classified.

[BoFox]

I'm going to have a new computer soon. Its graphics card will be an EVGA GTX 1070 SC ACX 3.0. It's going to make for an interesting comparison with Rollo's EVGA GTX 980 Ti Classified.

Wow, you go and kick Rollo's ass!  Show us how it's done! 



You'd definitely give Sickbeast a nice grin!  

[BoFox]

Just playing around with you, Rollo!

Competition is fun to watch, though - that's why everybody loves sports!  

[RolloTheGreat]

I'm going to have a new computer soon. Its graphics card will be an EVGA GTX 1070 SC ACX 3.0. It's going to make for an interesting comparison with Rollo's EVGA GTX 980 Ti Classified.

Wow, you go and kick Rollo's ass!  Show us how it's done! 



You'd definitely give Sickbeast a nice grin!  

There was a thread challenging me to something, but it seems to be deleted?

I don't mind if people have better cards than me, I'm glad SC bought a good card.

[SteelCrysis]

What you saw was a draft of my thread challenging you. For some reason, you are able to see my thread drafts.

Edit: For instance, I can see the draft of my thread in the Latest Posts window, even though I haven't posted the thread yet.

[SickBeast]

I'm going to have a new computer soon. Its graphics card will be an EVGA GTX 1070 SC ACX 3.0. It's going to make for an interesting comparison with Rollo's EVGA GTX 980 Ti Classified.

Wow, you go and kick Rollo's ass!  Show us how it's done! 



You'd definitely give Sickbeast a nice grin!  

The GTX 1070 will be faster overall once it's overclocked.

I'm personally looking at the GTX 1060s. I got a DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter for my 280x for the time being and it's working well. The RX480 did not impress me and I don't think the aftermarket cards are going to solve the heat and overclocking problems. If the GTX 1060 can overclock to GTX 980Ti speeds, I will buy one. The latest rumor is that it will match a GTX 980 at stock speeds.

[RolloTheGreat]

I'm going to have a new computer soon. Its graphics card will be an EVGA GTX 1070 SC ACX 3.0. It's going to make for an interesting comparison with Rollo's EVGA GTX 980 Ti Classified.

Wow, you go and kick Rollo's ass!  Show us how it's done! 



You'd definitely give Sickbeast a nice grin!  

The GTX 1070 will be faster overall once it's overclocked.

I'm personally looking at the GTX 1060s.  I got a DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 adapter for my 280x for the time being and it's working well.  The RX480 did not impress me and I don't think the aftermarket cards are going to solve the heat and overclocking problems.  If the GTX 1060 can overclock to GTX 980Ti speeds, I will buy one.  The latest rumor is that it will match a GTX 980 at stock speeds.

For sure, but I don't OC.

So, I bought a card that will perform between a 1070 and 1080 to use until I decide what to do. May just buy a high end 1080, may get the new Titan or 1080Ti. With the level of performance I have now, and my current predicament of owning 2 homes and moving, I have no time for gaming.

[SteelCrysis]

In that case, forget about the challenge, I'll just post my overclocking results.

[RolloTheGreat]

In that case, forget about the challenge, I'll just post my overclocking results.

Sounds good dude. I bet you'll have more luck than RX480 owners.

[SickBeast]

So I have to admit, I like 4k way more than I thought I would. Whoever came up with the notion that those viewing charts mean anything really didn't know what they were talking about.

I seem to have done a pretty good job calibrating my TV. It was quite tricky and I was shocked by how much adjustment it needed. Getting the yellows to look right was a real challenge. I had to go into the white balance settings and get right into the service menu.

For the $320USD that I paid for the screen I'm very happy with it but it's not perfect and it's quite clear why the big brands cost more. I'm having to re-initialize the color settings every time I turn on the TV which is a bit of a pain. Thankfully there is a hotkey for it on the remote but this type of glitch is unacceptable IMO, particularly considering how bad the color was out of the box. If you guys need a cheap 4k display for your PC these are really great displays though. Excellent black levels and also excellent viewing angles. I have a feeling it's a relatively high end IPS panel. Input lag is also great as is uniformity. There is a bit of backlight bleed but it's mitigated by lowering the backlight and it's only noticeable in a pitch black room with a black screen.

[RolloTheGreat]

You cannot fool me SB. GStan says if you cannot see the individual pixels there is no point.

Next week for me on the 4k tv, still grinding away on move. Will be glad when this is all done.

We originally hired 4 guys and two moving trucks and were planning to have them move everything. Then some friends moved, moved a lot of their stuff themselves, and said they STILL ended up spending 9 hours with the moving guys.

Don't care about the money, but I have no desire to spend 9 hours telling guys where to put things. So we've been moving all our boxes of stuff and loose stuff in my pickup and cars, a little at a time. Hopefully with just the furniture left here my whole Saturday isn't shot.

[SickBeast]

Well the real problem is driving all these pixels for gaming. You just can't do it, even with a GTX 1080. I read a review last night of that card and in Tomb Raider it could only do ~52fps average. So even with a top card like that you will have to turn the settings down in some games.

I have decided to just run my demanding games in 1080p. They still look great. Plus I can probably get by with my 280x for another year if I have to. We are going to need Vega and Big Pascal for proper 4k gaming. You could probably get by with a GTX 980 Ti or a GTX 1070 but you will be turning settings down in a lot of games. If I'm going to spend that much on a GPU I want an optimal experience.

If the right deal comes along I will bite. Otherwise I'm fine with what I have.

[BoFox]

So I have to admit, I like 4k way more than I thought I would.  Whoever came up with the notion that those viewing charts mean anything really didn't know what they were talking about.

I seem to have done a pretty good job calibrating my TV.  It was quite tricky and I was shocked by how much adjustment it needed.  Getting the yellows to look right was a real challenge.  I had to go into the white balance settings and get right into the service menu.

For the $320USD that I paid for the screen I'm very happy with it but it's not perfect and it's quite clear why the big brands cost more.  I'm having to re-initialize the color settings every time I turn on the TV which is a bit of a pain.  Thankfully there is a hotkey for it on the remote but this type of glitch is unacceptable IMO, particularly considering how bad the color was out of the box.  If you guys need a cheap 4k display for your PC these are really great displays though.  Excellent black levels and also excellent viewing angles.  I have a feeling it's a relatively high end IPS panel.  Input lag is also great as is uniformity.  There is a bit of backlight bleed but it's mitigated by lowering the backlight and it's only noticeable in a pitch black room with a black screen.

$320 USD?!?  Didn't know it was THAT cheap!  

Excellent blacks probably mean it's a VA screen instead of IPS (since IPS doesn't have "excellent" black levels - not even "very good").  I'd prefer a VA screen anyways.  IPS just has better viewing angles, but VA isn't bad for a TV - who wants to watch a TV from more than 45 degrees off?  Still, a VA screen isn't anything like a plasma, let alone OLED.  I had a VA screen for like 8 years.  It was alright.

What's the model again?  $320!!!  You got a killer deal of the year (probably of 2-3 years from now, still a killer deal).

[BoFox]

Well the real problem is driving all these pixels for gaming.  You just can't do it, even with a GTX 1080.  I read a review last night of that card and in Tomb Raider it could only do ~52fps average.  So even with a top card like that you will have to turn the settings down in some games.

I have decided to just run my demanding games in 1080p.  They still look great.  Plus I can probably get by with my 280x for another year if I have to.  We are going to need Vega and Big Pascal for proper 4k gaming.  You could probably get by with a GTX 980 Ti or a GTX 1070 but you will be turning settings down in a lot of games.  If I'm going to spend that much on a GPU I want an optimal experience.

If the right deal comes along I will bite.  Otherwise I'm fine with what I have.

52fps for a single-player shooter?  That's not bad - would you have to turn down settings just to get it higher than 52 fps average?  I'd be fine with that (gsync or freesync would make it feel like 80fps anyway).  

You just gotta buy a 8GB  RX 480!  Oh yes, you just gotta...!!!   Then it won't be the miso soup's fault anymore..

[SickBeast]

So I have to admit, I like 4k way more than I thought I would.  Whoever came up with the notion that those viewing charts mean anything really didn't know what they were talking about.

I seem to have done a pretty good job calibrating my TV.  It was quite tricky and I was shocked by how much adjustment it needed.  Getting the yellows to look right was a real challenge.  I had to go into the white balance settings and get right into the service menu.

For the $320USD that I paid for the screen I'm very happy with it but it's not perfect and it's quite clear why the big brands cost more.  I'm having to re-initialize the color settings every time I turn on the TV which is a bit of a pain.  Thankfully there is a hotkey for it on the remote but this type of glitch is unacceptable IMO, particularly considering how bad the color was out of the box.  If you guys need a cheap 4k display for your PC these are really great displays though.  Excellent black levels and also excellent viewing angles.  I have a feeling it's a relatively high end IPS panel.  Input lag is also great as is uniformity.  There is a bit of backlight bleed but it's mitigated by lowering the backlight and it's only noticeable in a pitch black room with a black screen.

$320 USD?!?  Didn't know it was THAT cheap!  

Excellent blacks probably mean it's a VA screen instead of IPS (since IPS doesn't have "excellent" black levels - not even "very good").  I'd prefer a VA screen anyways.  IPS just has better viewing angles, but VA isn't bad for a TV - who wants to watch a TV from more than 45 degrees off?  Still, a VA screen isn't anything like a plasma, let alone OLED.  I had a VA screen for like 8 years.  It was alright.

What's the model again?  $320!!!  You got a killer deal of the year (probably of 2-3 years from now, still a killer deal).

The model number is RLED5536-UHD.

I got it at the Real Canadian Superstore on tax free day for $478CAD which works out to $320USD when you factor in that I did not pay tax on it. Micro Center was selling the US version of the TV for $399USD and it's essentially the same TV. Canadian Tire was also selling them for $499CAD with $50 of Canadian Tire money back so it was a similar deal although not quite as good.

I do highly recommend it at that price. It is not perfect, but for that price it's an amazing gaming monitor. I'm just happy that mine has no dead pixels, excellent uniformity, and only moderate backlight bleed that is for the most part unnoticeable.

The reason I suspect it's an IPS panel is because of the viewing angles. That being said, the specs say the response time is 6ms which I believe is faster than what an IPS panel can do and is more in line with a VA panel like you said.

[SickBeast]

Well the real problem is driving all these pixels for gaming.  You just can't do it, even with a GTX 1080.  I read a review last night of that card and in Tomb Raider it could only do ~52fps average.  So even with a top card like that you will have to turn the settings down in some games.

I have decided to just run my demanding games in 1080p.  They still look great.  Plus I can probably get by with my 280x for another year if I have to.  We are going to need Vega and Big Pascal for proper 4k gaming.  You could probably get by with a GTX 980 Ti or a GTX 1070 but you will be turning settings down in a lot of games.  If I'm going to spend that much on a GPU I want an optimal experience.

If the right deal comes along I will bite.  Otherwise I'm fine with what I have.

52fps for a single-player shooter?  That's not bad - would you have to turn down settings just to get it higher than 52 fps average?  I'd be fine with that (gsync or freesync would make it feel like 80fps anyway).  

You just gotta buy a 8GB  RX 480!  Oh yes, you just gotta...!!!   Then it won't be the miso soup's fault anymore..

You know what, if the RX480 hits $150USD then I will probably bite.

Actually the current 4gb cards are apparently flashable to 8gb which is tempting. If it weren't for the PCI-E power bug I would be tempted to buy one.

I'm waiting for the GTX 1060 to drop and then I will decide what to do. People are also speculating that there will be a GTX 1060 Ti.