Nvidia Pascal GPU has 17 billion transistors

[SickBeast]

ROLLO WILL STEP UP TO ONE.

[SickBeast]

I FEEL SO POWERFUL WHEN I USE CAPITAL LETTERS. PLUS I KNOW THAT DAVE WOULD NEVER MODERATE ME LOL.

[ocre]

Madness!!!

[BoFox]

Ti, that is!!  

Right now, my PC's are using:  GTX 780, GTX 760, HD 7950 Boost.

The 780 has just over 300 Voodoopower.  GTX 760 and HD 7950 both just over 200 VP.

The 1080 does indeed have 600-700 VP (probably very close to 700),  but I don't even have the damn time to make it worthwhile.  Not like I did when I had only 2 kids.  It's a PITA.  After all, I'd feel better having the Ti (a bigger chip) rather than spend so much $ on such a puny chip - it's like buying a Challenger with only V6 engine, when the point of the muscle car is to not skimp out on the muscle.  That's why Rollo just had to go back to a 980 Ti.  Even if the new V6 is faster, he just likes the grunt of his old V8.

[RolloTheGreat]

Madness!!!

I actually bought Rollo Jr a V6 Challenger, with most of the options. Wanted him to have a nice car, but don't want him to race or drive recklessly because I want him safe more than I want him to be able to win an illegal  race that could cost him his life or me big money. Insurance is already over $100/ month for him.

You can buy your kids SRTs or Hellcats if you think it's a good idea they be able to go 0-60 in 4 seconds and race cars on city streets.

The 980 Ti thing was more impatience, the guy I talked to at Amazon said they would ship when "they got some in at that price". I've dealt with waiting around for their pre-orders before and said "Fuck it" when I saw the deal on the Classified.

That deal is even better now, saw there's a $30 rebate. $379 shipped for a card with a transferable 3 year warranty and almost 1080 performance is pretty good. I can't lose too much there even if I have to wait beyond the 3 months for the Ti or Titan.

[SickBeast]

Way higher power consumption though and less VRAM. It still looks good though.

[RolloTheGreat]

Way higher power consumption though and less VRAM. It still looks good though.

I don't care about power consumption at all, think my PSU is 1200W.

6GB VRAM is OK with me too, we're not cranking the AA at 4K. (partly because you don't need much AA at 4K on a 28" monitor and partly because video cards can't do it an a lot of games)

[SickBeast]

So are you saying that the particular GTX 980Ti that you bought will have more overclocking headroom than a GTX 1070?

I'm leaning toward a 4gb R480 but I still haven't completely decided. I am waiting for reviews. If there is a benefit to having 8gb for 1080p gaming then I will consider the 8gb card or else a GTX 1070.

[RolloTheGreat]

So are you saying that the particular GTX 980Ti that you bought will have more overclocking headroom than a GTX 1070?

I'm leaning toward a 4gb R480 but I still haven't completely decided.  I am waiting for reviews.  If there is a benefit to having 8gb for 1080p gaming then I will consider the 8gb card or else a GTX 1070.

Not at all.

I'm saying the reviews I read of that particular 980 Ti said it's design makes it boost to, and stay at 1390-1405 out of the box. (and that 1500 is definitely in reach due to dual 8 pin, 14/3 power phases, back plate, better HSF)

That makes this card out of the box a better card than a 1070 out of the box.

It splits the difference between a reference 980 Ti and a 1080 Funder Edition in performance, and makes the reference cards a waste of money for those of us who don't OC graphics cards.

[SickBeast]

You don't OC? Why not just wait for overclocked 1070 cards? You're in a hurry to buy something?

I'm looking forward to the reviews of the R480. I hope it's not delayed.

[RolloTheGreat]

You don't OC?  Why not just wait for overclocked 1070 cards?  You're in a hurry to buy something?

I'm looking forward to the reviews of the R480.  I hope it's not delayed.

I'm not interested in 1070 or 1080 anymore, the EVGA 980 Ti Classified arrived early while I was on vacation.

I don't like to wait for anything, or get gouged on price.

Probably waiting for 1080Ti or 1080 Titan now.

Good luck on R480. Old proverb say: Company that needs money bad not giving high performance cards away for $200..

[SickBeast]

We will see if your old proverbs or the leaked benchmarks are right. My money is on the leaked benchmarks. We will see though. You could be right.

[RolloTheGreat]

We will see if your old proverbs or the leaked benchmarks are right.  My money is on the leaked benchmarks.  We will see though.  You could be right.

Leaked benchmarks? The ones from AMD PR?



Or the photoshopped rumor posts?

My dad used to tell me, "There's no such thing as a free lunch". It "could" be AMD is selling 980 Ti level performance for $200 in a couple weeks while NVIDIA can't keep product in stock at much higher prices, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[SickBeast]

They're not saying it will be GTX 980Ti level (although I did read one rumor that did say that). They are saying it will have Fury Nano/GTX 980 performance, which is more than enough for me at 1080p. I will wait and see. Just a couple more weeks hopefully. I clearly have more patience than you do.

[RolloTheGreat]

They're not saying it will be GTX 980Ti level (although I did read one rumor that did say that).  They are saying it will have Fury Nano/GTX 980 performance, which is more than enough for me at 1080p.  I will wait and see.  Just a couple more weeks hopefully.  I clearly have more patience than you do.  

Fury Nanos are currently $460 and up, offer equivalent performance to vanilla Fury, and more performance than the 390 and 390X.

So you think AMD is going to obsolete it's whole $300-$600 product stack to gift the world with this level of performance for $200?

Uh huh. Not the way business works.

[SickBeast]

We will see, Rollo. That is pure speculation. I can see your logic but you should also realize that these companies need to release faster new products so that they can continue selling stuff. No one would ever upgrade if nothing better ever came out.

[RolloTheGreat]

We will see, Rollo.  That is pure speculation.  I can see your logic but you should also realize that these companies need to release faster new products so that they can continue selling stuff.  No one would ever upgrade if nothing better ever came out.

I get that, but what you're suggesting would leave AMD and their OEMS with only penny ante margins until Vega launches.

"Could" be Vega is around the corner and about to put the smack down on 1070s and 1080s, but I doubt it.

BTW, what you call being "impatient" I call being a smart buyer.

I was at the 680 launch when they said, "We're re-defining what is high end".

Well sure, the parts have what is currently high end performance, but the chip size and single six pin power connector tell the tale a bigger chip is coming. Not to mention the rumor articles.

If Rollo Jr has to live with performance somewhere between a 1070 and a 1080 until the new Ti or Titan comes out, I doubt he will care. If he does, I can always step up to a 1080 and I'm not out anything. (actually ahead of the game, no one is buying 1080s for MSRP these days)

I played some Bioshock Infinite on the Classified at 4K today, smooth as silk.

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So rollo, you had a 980ti and sold it then bought a different 980ti? Was your first one a reference model that ran at lower clocks?

How much gain in performance from your old card to your new?

Was you planning on a 1070 or 1080?

[RolloTheGreat]

So rollo, you had a 980ti and sold it then bought a different 980ti?  Was your first one a reference model that ran at lower clocks?

How much gain in performance from your old card to your new?

Was you planning on a 1070 or 1080?

I tried to buy a 1080, pre-ordered a Gigabyte Gaming 1 on Amazon for $611.. Then I waited 11 days, called them, they said it would ship when they "got some in at that price". Checking their site I saw them selling them for over $800 through their vendors, and I seemed to recall them doing this to me before, so I cancelled.

No clue in gain from reference, I don't benchmark anything these days.

The reviews I saw show a 15% gain over reference on this card, and others at 1190 base clock, no reason to think I wouldn't see similar.

I wouldn't have ordered a 1080 if I had this 980 Ti to start with, not enough of an increase to justify the expenditure. (as it is I actually came out ahead- sold my reference card for $520 a month ago and my AMIR cost on the Classified came out to $389.. )Not bad for a card that beats the 1070.

Also, I promised my son I'd get him the new Titan or 1080 Ti and the six pin 1080 while good, is not that.

[SickBeast]

The hype keeps rolling in for Polaris. The latest is that the RX480 cards will easily hit 1500mhz and they will beat a stock GTX 1070 at that speed. That's pretty incredible for $199USD if it's true.

[SteelCrysis]

I tried to buy a 1080, pre-ordered a Gigabyte Gaming 1 on Amazon for $611.. Then I waited 11 days, called them, they said it would ship when they "got some in at that price". Checking their site I saw them selling them for over $800 through their vendors, and I seemed to recall them doing this to me before, so I cancelled.

No clue in gain from reference, I don't benchmark anything these days.

The reviews I saw show a 15% gain over reference on this card, and others at 1190 base clock, no reason to think I wouldn't see similar.

I wouldn't have ordered a 1080 if I had this 980 Ti to start with, not enough of an increase to justify the expenditure. (as it is I actually came out ahead- sold my reference card for $520 a month ago and my AMIR cost on the Classified came out to $389.. )Not bad for a card that beats the 1070.

Also, I promised my son I'd get him the new Titan or 1080 Ti and the six pin 1080 while good, is not that.

GTX 1080 is 8-pin, but your point is still valid.

[happy medium]

I'm starting to see high end aftermarket gtx980's on fire sale on ebay for under 300$.
I've seen a used Evga gtx980 calssified for 280$.
That's the perfect 1080p card.

I did a little research and it seems a gtx980 @ 1500 mhz will be 90% of a stock gtx980ti.
I've also seen used aftermarket gtx980ti's for about $380, that's not bad either.

I might just wait a bit, and grab a great deal on a Evga card with a transferable warrantee.

Lets see if AMD can impress me with the 480.

[SickBeast]

They are starting to clear out the current cards. A GTX 970 went sale locally here for $270CAD ($209USD). I have a feeling that the RX480 is not going to live up to the hype. If it does, however, it's going to be a very disruptive card.

[SteelCrysis]

Pascal high refresh rate power bug still exists: http://techreport.com/news/30304/nvidia-...-power-bug

[SteelCrysis]

JayzTwoCents got 2 of his his EVGA GTX 1070 SCs up to 2139–2169 MHz boost with stock voltage:

[ocre]

I'm starting to see high end aftermarket gtx980's on fire sale on ebay for under 300$.
I've seen a used Evga gtx980 calssified for 280$.
That's the perfect 1080p card.

I did a little research and it seems a gtx980 @ 1500 mhz will be 90% of a stock gtx980ti.
I've also seen used aftermarket gtx980ti's for about $380, that's not bad either.

I might just wait a bit, and grab a great deal on a Evga card with a transferable warrantee.

Lets see if AMD can impress me with the 480.

You know, all we have see on forums is people bashing the 980 for a long time. It's consistently bashed and has been to the extreme once the 980ti launched. Loads of people would act like somehow anyone who bought a 980 just got ripped off, they were insisting it should be a small in the face.

It never made a lick of sense. The 980ti launched at 150$ more than the 980. It offered 25-30% more performance, yet it was priced higher. There were so many amd trolls claiming that 980 owners just got slapped in the face and they were idiots for buying the 980. Yet, once the ti came out, the 980 did not loose any value at all. It remained in the same price bracket. As a matter of fact, the 980 held its value much longer than that, up until a few months ago, it still had most of its original value. Not only that, the used value for the 980 has been great just the same. And, up until recently, was still selling for around 400 bucks...used!!!

Now here is the kicker---
When fury launched, it was pretty much 980 OC Performance. And not even a highly over clocked 980. Fury x performance was just about reachable with highly OC 980. This is amassing, considering how much the AMD troopers bashed the 980...their fury was not only a similar performance, it was also priced higher than the 980.

Anyone who bought a 980 back when it came out (like me) they had fury performance a year before hand. They had that performance a year early and for less money even. An over clocked 980 has always been 90% of a stock 980ti, it's nothing new.

Yet somehow the AMD troopers twist and skew reality so much, it's a joke

[SteelCrysis]

http://www.techpowerup.com/223669/geforc...g-problems
A good excuse for anyone to abandon DVI.

[SteelCrysis]

Rumor about next Titan: http://techreport.com/news/30347/rumor-n...he-titan-p

[RolloTheGreat]

Rumor about next Titan: http://techreport.com/news/30347/rumor-n...he-titan-p

I like that "Pimpin' starts with a P" post below it.

[SickBeast]

OMG I JUST HAVE TO BUY ONE.

[SteelCrysis]

Nvidia working on fix for GTX 1080 not boosting in VR: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-...32235.html

[SteelCrysis]

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVID...60/31.html

NVIDIA has given us an MSRP of $249 for the GTX 1060, again we are seeing a Founders Edition (the card in this review), that's priced higher than the base price, $299 in this case. Even at $299, pricing is quite decent, offering Performance per Dollar slightly better than GTX 970, which flew off the shelves. It's also a better deal than GTX 1070, in a lower performance bracket though, which in my opinion is ideal for 1080p gamers. AMD's RX 480 is a better deal though, but comes with worse overclocking/power/noise/heat. Psychologically the $299 price point is a bit much, because it is $100 higher than the $199 that AMD promised for RX 480, and still 70 bucks more than what you can actually buy AMD product for. If GTX 1060 was more like $279, then the $50 difference would certainly lure in buyers to save up just a bit more money to be able to afford the GTX 1060. Soon we will be seeing custom design cards for GTX 1060 (some even today) and custom design RX 480s should be out real soon too, which could shift the balance slightly, but overall I'd say GTX 1060 comes out a winner over RX 480. All these considerations were assuming that GTX 1060 pricing will gravitate towards the Founders Edition price of $299 - just like it is happening right now with GTX 1070 and GTX 1080. Should there be actual GTX 1060 cards in the market at $249, then this will destroy any hopes of AMD, because then GTX 1060 will beat it in Performance per Dollar too, with no clear wins left for AMD to convince potential buyers.

[happy medium]

Nvidia working on fix for GTX 1080 not boosting in VR: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-...32235.html

new drivers fixed that.

and the DVI problem.

they came out just today.

Windows 10 Fixed Issues
 GPU Boost not applied to VR games. [1778552]  Vive does not work with mini-DisplayPort on the Link Box. [200217901]  [ArcheAge] The GameGuard module crashes in nvinit.dll when CreateProcess() is called with parameters greater than 260 bytes. [200210594]  [GeForce GTX 970M] NVIDIA reference driver support requested for Gigabyte P55Wv5. [1783058]  [GP104] Corruption seen when booting on DVI at or above a 330 MHz pixel clock and an 80 Hz refresh rate. [1782521]  [365.10] Tearing occurs in windowed applications after an update to Release 364.xx drivers. [1763731]


http://www.geforce.com/drivers/results/105037

[happy medium]

Newegg has one, and Evga has two 1060 cards at 250$.

[SteelCrysis]

GTX 1060, 1070, 1080 remain in high demand: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160909PD209.html

[RolloTheGreat]

GTX 1060, 1070, 1080 remain in high demand: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160909PD209.html

Doesn't NVIDIA know people want $200 GPUs?!!?!?

What the HELL are they doing??!??!