SickBeast's console gaming thread

[SickBeast]

Guys I have created this thread because I'm tired of all the nonsense between Greg and Rollo in the other thread. Please feel free to have a respectful discourse here. Remember guys, we are all mods. Please act accordingly. With great power comes great responsibility.

I will start off by saying that both consoles look great in their own way. Both have great exclusive games. The PS4 is more powerful but there have been some awesome deals on the Xbox One and you can easily pair up the Xbox One controllers with your PC using a $30 USB dongle. You can easily do this with the PS4 controllers as well but it requires a hack and a bluetooth adapter.

PC gaming has really won this round though IMO. The new consoles are vastly underpowered and pretty soon Intel's integrated graphics are going to be more powerful. It looks like Nintendo may even be able to use a Tegra class processor to create a portable and mobile console that can rival the PS4. The latest rumors say that the NX will come out in 2016 with a new Zelda game.

[SickBeast]

Well you do need to install a 3rd party app in order for the DS4 to work with your PC. I guess it's not really a "hack". But it's not officially supported AFAIK.

[RolloTheGreat]

Well you do need to install a 3rd party app in order for the DS4 to work with your PC.  I guess it's not really a "hack".  But it's not officially supported AFAIK.

No doubt.

XBone gets closer and closer to PC compatibility while PS4 gets farther away.

[SickBeast]

My big issue with it is that hacked controllers cause a lot of problems. I currently have a hacked PS3 controller connected to my PC, but when I tried to add an official Xbox 360 controller for Windows, both of them wanted to be controller #1 and both controllers were acting as controller #1 at the same time. I could not find a way to fix it. My plan is to buy a couple of Xbox One controllers and hook them up to the official dongle. Either that or get another DS3 controller, I'm not sure which would be better.

[RolloTheGreat]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digita...ith-an-ssd

Last but not least, it's interesting to compare the upgrade experience with that on PS4. Simply put, it's a far easier process on Xbox One, where rather than replacing the console's internal HDD (where PS4 demands that you back up all your data in advance), this is a simple plug-and-play route. It does involve a USB enclosure, but it means we can still use the machine's existing stock drive in combination with the external - doubling up the space, and letting us choose which drive to use per game.

Looks like Eurogamer agrees with me, and disagrees with GStan, on the ease of drive upgrade factor.

[RolloTheGreat]

I have a 2tb external drive hanging off the 360, the 350gb internal drive long since filled up.  Frankly it is a pain in the ass, would much rather be able to simply put the 2tb drive inside the 360, but, you cannot because the internal drive is proprietary custom hardware just like the controllers.  With the PS3 and PS4 you just backup the data on the old drive and restore it onto the new drive which is bog standard laptop drive SATA hardware.  Likewise windows sees the DS4 as a standard game controller, just like every other game controller ever used on PC before the XBOX controllers came along.

Funny how Rollo seems to equate locked down with freedom.  The PC's success was built on it being an open platform.  M$ is closing it up from all directions and Rollo thinks this is good....

Gstan likes to boast about how he "p3wns" me over on BabbleTechRefuse:

I get to showcase his ignorance on a regular basis

Lets look at the above.

In what reality is:

1. Back up drive contents
2. Remove case cover
3. Remove drive
4. Install new drive
5. Restore case cover
6. Restore old drive contents back on to new drive
7. Lose use of space on PS4

preferable to:

1. Plug in drive
2. Use new drive with faster interface as well as old drive

I think this is illustrative of one of three things:

A. GStan is incredibly stupid. Tape U is some sort of rehab program for the disabled, and he doesn't even know he's disabled. Only a disabled person could call plugging in a drive a "pain in the ass" compared to seven steps, two of which involve transferring 100s of GBs of data off/on a drive.

B. GStan will just say the opposite of what I say to be an internet troll.

C. GStan really is a Sony shill who had to "earn" his PS4 by posting about them.

None of the options are good.

The above post is the equivalent of "I like to ride my bike to work in the rain with fish strapped to my feet, and flat tires on my bike because to take the Yaris I'd have to open and close the car door!"

Totally.batshit.crazy.

[SickBeast]

So you have to open up your PS4 to swap out the HDD? Is it easy enough to do? I think I would want a 1TB SSD in there.

[RolloTheGreat]

Just like my PC's I prefer my consoles drives to be securely inside the case, safe from harm and easy to take anywhere the console goes with no extra paraphernalia.

The speed difference between internal/external does not exist on the PS4 because it has a competent and properly implemented SATA port for the drive.  Only the CrapBOX sees a speed increase from attaching a USB drive.  Words cannot begin to describe how desperate you would need to be in order to try and somehow spin this situation as an M$ win.....

Not just my opinion either.  35 million PS4 owners vs 19 million CrapBOX owners are unlikely to be wrong....

Like I said.....


BTW-

When AMD had a 25% market share with their vastly superior Athlon 64, were the 75% of people buying P4s "unlikely to be wrong"?

[SickBeast]

So what do you guys think? Is my thread more civil than gstanford's?

[SteelCrysis]

Yes.

[SickBeast]

LOL

We will see what happens.

[SickBeast]

Honestly you guys are bickering over minor differences. I think the real problem is that both of you seem to completely discount the other option. Both of the consoles are decent. At the end of the day they are both very weak compared to even low end PCs. Yes, the PS4 is the clear winner in terms of hardware and power, but like I said, they are both weak. Actually the developers code for the lowest common denominator which is why the Xbox One is doing OK.

I used to think that the Xbox One sucked but I have come around to realize that it does have some really great exclusive games. I also like the controller compatibility with Windows.

[RolloTheGreat]

Honestly you guys are bickering over minor differences.  I think the real problem is that both of you seem to completely discount the other option.  Both of the consoles are decent.  At the end of the day they are both very weak compared to even low end PCs.  Yes, the PS4 is the clear winner in terms of hardware and power, but like I said, they are both weak.  Actually the developers code for the lowest common denominator which is why the Xbox One is doing OK.

I used to think that the Xbox One sucked but I have come around to realize that it does have some really great exclusive games.  I also like the controller compatibility with Windows.

I don't completely discount the PS4. I bought one long before Gstan ever did, and might even buy him another to over to friends houses.

I pretty much have the same opinion of the consoles as you do. GStan is just trolling, as usual.

[SickBeast]

I dunno, call me crazy, but Microsoft has always been pretty good to me. Actually Greg I think most gamers wouldn't even notice or care about the points you're making. You are an enthusiast. I would say that most if not all enthusiast gamers would choose the PS4. There are a lot of casual gamers though and games like Forza are a real temptation to go with the Xbox One.

[BenSkywalker]

Actually the developers code for the lowest common denominator

This just isn't true- compare SFV side by side on the XBone and PS4(and yes, that is my point). MS botched this generation so badly they managed to make Street Fighter a console exclusive for Sony- this generation is turning into a PS2 style obliteration- developers are only coding for the lowest common denominator if you are saying the XBone doesn't rate at all, which don't get me wrong, is absolutely valid but not what you were implying

To be quite honest, I'm not thrilled with the situation. In the last generation MS absolutely owned the white trash community and it so showed. Junior KKK rallys best describes *every* encounter I had with Live for years, never- not once- heard that kind of talk on the PS3. Unfortunately, with the PS4 utterly dominating the market we are getting those disgusting excuses for humans on PSN now, not happy about it. I rather liked having one console for all of the white trash, and the other where everyone else could play.

[RolloTheGreat]

I dunno, call me crazy, but Microsoft has always been pretty good to me. Actually Greg I think most gamers wouldn't even notice or care about the points you're making.  You are an enthusiast.  I would say that most if not all enthusiast gamers would choose the PS4.  There are a lot of casual gamers though and games like Forza are a real temptation to go with the Xbox One.

Yep, this is what I have been saying all along.

And in the USA, the biggest market in the world, the XBone and PS4 sell about the same. It's only when you get out to the prison colonies like Australia, or places like Norway the PS4 sells more.

[RolloTheGreat]

GStan, you should call Tape U and ask them to look up what "specious argument" and "anecdotal evidence" mean for you.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/109466...umbers.htm

9.4m sales for PS4 and 8.5m for Xbone, in an article from 4 months ago. 52.5% vs 47.5% isn't exactly the landslide victory in the US you keep lying about.

BTW, I'm also right about USA being the biggest market by far.

http://www.ibtimes.com/ps4-vs-xbox-one-s...ch-2250196

So we had 20m of 50m sales, 40%, and we're one of one hundred countries the PS4 is sold in.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=873575



Like I said GStan, we set the trends here, we don't really care what you guys in Tasmania are up to.

"Oi! That PS4 has 20% more games at 1080p, that's good enough for me mate!"

[SickBeast]

Those numbers are pretty close actually.

[SickBeast]

They are in the same ballpark imo. It's only a 10% difference.

[SickBeast]

I hope you don't teach math. 595,123 is a smidge over half of 1,113,153

Actually it looks like you must have failed math. 8.5 million is 9% less than 9.4 million.

[RolloTheGreat]

I hope you don't teach math.  595,123 is a smidge over half of 1,113,153

Actually it looks like you must have failed math. 8.5 million is 9% less than 9.4 million.

He's using Tape U math, where running 20% more games at 100P higher resolution is "complete and utter domination" of the competition.

If he used that math on his wages:

The Big Boss: "GStan, Joe Blow has five more years experience than you, we're going to pay him $22/hour, and we'll pay you $20/hour!"

GStan:":NoooooooOOOoooooooo!!!!! Joe Blow will be completely and utterly dominating my wages! I am the Xbone of the service center!!! Why have you abandoned me God?!?!?"

Instead of using real world math, shrugging, and saying,"No big deal, that's pretty close.".

Note: Numbers in example meant only to represent Joe earning 10% more than GStan, not be a precise ratio mirroring the XBone/PS4 numbers.

As noted, in the population of Xbone and PS4 sales, Xbone has 47.5% of the whole and PS4 52.5% of the whole. It's NOT a big difference, in the USA anyway.

[SickBeast]

I feel bad having stooped to his level. To be honest with you guys though I really don't appreciate all the trash talk about my profession and what I do. You guys don't even know me and you have never seen me work. So basically what I'm asking all of you to do is to not go there, I really don't appreciate it.

[SickBeast]

I hope you don't teach math.  595,123 is a smidge over half of 1,113,153

Actually it looks like you must have failed math. 8.5 million is 9% less than 9.4 million.

LOL! what?!

Where I come from 9.4 million less 8.5 million gives a difference of 0.9 million!

It doesn't matter how big the numbers are. They could sell 9.4 billion and 8.5 billion each respectively, but the difference would still be only 9%. Rollo is right. The Xbox One has sold almost as well as the PS4 in the USA.

[SickBeast]

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[SickBeast]

Perhaps.

[RolloTheGreat]

I feel bad having stooped to his level.  To be honest with you guys though I really don't appreciate all the trash talk about my profession and what I do.  You guys don't even know me and you have never seen me work.  So basically what I'm asking all of you to do is to not go there, I really don't appreciate it.

I'm not knocking you or teaching.

I'm knocking GStan's Tape U math and wild exaggeration.

[RolloTheGreat]

Rollo is right. The Xbox One has sold almost as well as the PS4 in the USA.

Not recently it hasn't  I provided weekly USA sales numbers for a reason.  The graph plainly shows that the only time CrapBOX sales approach PS4 sales is in the quiet periods of the year.  Whenever a game gets released or a holiday period comes around PS4 grossly outsells CrapBOX.  This is a trend that is becoming more and more pronounced the further to right of the graph you go, showing PS4 sales accelerating in the USA and CrapBOX sales tapering off.

THERE.IS.NO.DIFFERENCE.YOU.OBDURATE.SHILL.

Whether XBones only sell well on every other Tuesday or on Christmas Eve, the fact is they sell about as well as PS4s in the US over time. Some months they even outsell the PS4.

[SickBeast]

I feel bad having stooped to his level.  To be honest with you guys though I really don't appreciate all the trash talk about my profession and what I do.  You guys don't even know me and you have never seen me work.  So basically what I'm asking all of you to do is to not go there, I really don't appreciate it.

I'm not knocking you or teaching.

I'm knocking GStan's Tape U math and wild exaggeration.

You have repeatedly done this in the past. I'm quite disappointed that gstanford is joining in on your stupid game now.

[RolloTheGreat]

I feel bad having stooped to his level.  To be honest with you guys though I really don't appreciate all the trash talk about my profession and what I do.  You guys don't even know me and you have never seen me work.  So basically what I'm asking all of you to do is to not go there, I really don't appreciate it.

I'm not knocking you or teaching.

I'm knocking GStan's Tape U math and wild exaggeration.

What wild exaggeration would that be?!  The only one wildly exaggerating is you with your constant bullshit that the CrapBOX is keeping up with PS4....

In the USA, where I live and the only place I really care what people think, the Xbox has 47.5% of the current gen console market and PS4 has 52.5%.

[RolloTheGreat]

and most of that is due to dumb teen kids wanting to hang out with other dumb teen kids online while they game 'cause that's what they did on the 360, not due to the CrapBOX playing games any better.

Inertia among the dumb is about all that keeps M$ going in all their markets.

I'm sure MS is really concerned about your opinions of their success GStan.

They're probably all sitting around their offices chewing on their fingernails, pacing, muttering, "What the HELL are we going to do now!?!?! GStan says we're going down, it must be true."

[RolloTheGreat]

Just look at the 3 ring circus that has been going on since Win 8.  M$ knows they are in the shitter and they don't have the first clue how to fix it.  They keep thinking that imitating Apple, Google and Steam instead just doing what made them successful in the past will somehow save them.  It won't.

GStan - ace business analyst and psychic seer of the future!

[SickBeast]

Say what you will about Microsoft, but they have created the best gaming platform out there in terms of Windows and the PC.

[BenSkywalker]

To be honest with you guys though I really don't appreciate all the trash talk about my profession and what I do.

Hypocrite much?

You flame Rollo and I for what we do constantly- we make too much money. 

I would suggest you don't do something over and over again that you want to pretend you don't like. Makes your end of it look laughable.

[SickBeast]

Deleted.

I don't think I am going to bother with this forum any more.

[RolloTheGreat]

Deleted.

I don't think I am going to bother with this forum any more.

I hope that's not true, but Ben does have a point.

Remember vilifying me and posting many times how I was a troll who should be banned because I said I didn't have any particular attachment to either console, but could see the value of each and argued for Xbox as an intellectual exercise?

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/communit...73#pid6673

I do care who I offend with my comments and if I set out to offend I can assure you it is entirely deliberate and targeted.

I tend to reserve such behavior for the likes of Rollo and the AMD shills or those who first offend me.

There's GStan straight out saying he trolls me and tries to offend, yet no reaction from you in your several posts in the thread.

ABT is a good forum to post at because we have no shills here, or mods using their mod status to be the final word in all debates. (like Apoppin's vision of forum regulation)

Not to mention BTR is pretty boring.

Apoppin: NVIDIA is sending me another card.
SB: Cool. Will you be benching minimums?
Apoppin: Yes, if my wheat germ and kale shakes ever cure my lupus, I will be running 3000 benchmarks that will illustrate NVIDIA averages 1-2fps higher minimums than the Fury X at 4K.
GStan: Cool.
SB: Cool.
(crickets chirp)

Their "content" is pretty hilarious as well.

"In these modern times, people seem to be using smart phones and tablets a lot. (picture of commuter surfing) Could this increased access be impacting on other aspects of their lives? (picture of child playing alone in sandbox) A balance between online and real life is to be desired, make time to "unplug" each day. (picture of smiling family dining together)



If BTR ever gets popular based on that dreck, I'll consider it evidence the end is near.

"Well, it's either infomercials or monotonous platitudes on BTR. I guess I'll take BTR, I really miss the Andy Griffith show."

[SickBeast]

I have not once said anything about any of you guys and your professions. I am happy for you if you make a lot of money. All I have said is that the tax system should be fair. Nothing about your jobs, whether or not you're good at them, or anything else like that.

[SickBeast]

I'd say that PC gaming happened in spite of M$ not because of. PC gaming was a thing long before M$ forced DirectX, Xinput and all their other proprietary, competition stifling bullshit on us.

Then why aren't people using opengl?

[SickBeast]

Read what you quoted. OpenGL is still heavily used - it is the most popular 3D rendering system bar none, only windows/XBOX ignores it, everything else uses it from scientific applications down to mobile gaming and everything in between.

The question remains, why don't they use opengl for Windows games?

[SickBeast]

Some still do, most don't because M$ bribes them to use DirectX instead.

How do they bribe them? Do you have proof of that?

[SteelCrysis]

How do they bribe them? Do you have proof of that?

He doesn't. The reality is that there are far more coders with DirectX experience than with OpenGL experience.